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I use a lot of AOS models for my D&D / Hackmaster campaigns. Not sure why anyone would be offended or insulted by that lol. Thats just the pinnacle of hyperbolic silliness.

AOS is a lot like Warmahordes. If a player liked warmahordes, there is a lot in AOS that is like that other game that they may like. Those things are all true.

Interestingly enough, the things the OP mention is why I like Warmachine and want to play it more as my primary tournament game. I love how tightly focused it is, 2D terrain makes sense because of how important positioning is, the timing and lists and everything, it's everything that Warhammer is not. The flip side is it lets me focus on my Warhammer endeavours as 100% casual and narrative, because Warmachine scratches my "wannabe" competitive itch.

To the OP my advice is to try something else. Maybe it's just not what you like. There's no shame in that.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Sounds like you need a break.
Find something else to do with your time, play a few pc games or console games. Chill. Go watch (or play) whichever sport you like.

If you do come back to miniature gaming (like we all here do), then read/buy a load of different rulebooks and find the one you like best. Either find a group that likes it or get a few people into it.

 Bottle wrote:
If you're after another game with a great ruleset with synergies and combos, can be played highly competitive or relaxed and narrative, but allows for conversions, 3rd party models and lots of terrain, I would say give Age of Sigmar a shot. I think you'll like it and even better is the miniatures can be used for D&D as well.

Bottle, you're either in threads defending AoS or you're peddling it. I'd type some analogy of drug dealing but I just cba.

Also, as someone who's played every version of D&D since I got my first rulebooks in the late 1970's - I feel a little insulted that you'd suggest anything recently released for AoS is in anyway usable for D&D.

I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or what? I can think of a ton of uses for Stormcast Eternals in 5e (which as a game I am loving).

I am starting to look at rules that do not require you to buy the figures for said rule system. I don't want to use Company X figures to play X game when Y figures which look cooler will work just as well. I learned to game at the feet of the old Grognards who always had painted models, simple rulesets and lavishly decorated fields. Most of the current generation of gamers don't seem to follow this aesthetic and it makes me sad.

When it comes to tournaments I am sick of spending money to loose. I don't care about winning and I am just wasting cash to play. I understand it supports the store but I would rather just drop triple the entry fee amount on product.


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Wayniac wrote:
Interestingly enough, the things the OP mention is why I like Warmachine and want to play it more as my primary tournament game. I love how tightly focused it is, 2D terrain makes sense because of how important positioning is, the timing and lists and everything, it's everything that Warhammer is not. The flip side is it lets me focus on my Warhammer endeavours as 100% casual and narrative, because Warmachine scratches my "wannabe" competitive itch.

To the OP my advice is to try something else. Maybe it's just not what you like. There's no shame in that.

My problem is the game has changed from when I first started playing. There was not all this 2D terrain and focus on Tournament lists, now that IS the game.

WH seems to be dying on its arse here with the latest edition so I'm not sure if that has been affecting the experience or tainting the community in the OPs part of the world.

You seem to be well aware of other gaming avenues so I wouldn't get too worked about it. See what other games are being talked about in our community and see what takes your fancy. A few 50 quid starters here or there shouldn't break the bank and you might find a few great alternatives.

Honestly, if you're not playing it because of the community, and the community aspect is important to you (which isn't unsurprising, since wargaming is a social hobby), have a look around nearby FLGS's and talk to the owners about what games are played. Then, go see if any of those interest you. There's no point getting hyped up and interested in a game nobody plays unless you're interested in building it up.

Then, if you realise it's the hobby in general you feel you are done with, then go do other things. If you realize you are just done with Warmachine, pick something else local that people are into that you think you'll enjoy and give it a go.

A bit of advice from someone who has done the same thing - do not sell or get rid of your stuff unless you just don't have the room. Just pack it away. If you fall out of the hobby entirely and in a few years decide to pick it back up, you might want it.

I feel you OP, I started disliking the way Mk III was shaping up and the decisions they've made pretty much confirmed it (especially in relation to their anti-online retailer policy).

I'm watching the errata and hoping they manage to turn things around but I'm doubtful.

As others said, take a break, paint other minis for a while. I always keep a few minis to paint or convert just for fun (Kickstarter is especially good for this because you can get one off beautiful minis for a good price). Don't sell your stuff and maybe in a year you might take it up again.

Take a break. Find a new gaming group. Assess what you want out of a game and find a game that matches what you want. Talk to people about what you enjoy and try to find people of a like mind. Capture the moon and ransom it to the governments of the world.

Only you know what aspect of gaming is most important. Look at yourself, and what you want. If gaming gives you that work out how to get that.

This is not a problem of Warmahordes specifically - gaming groups change and interests no longer align, we change and what we want out of a game no longer matches what it used to, so on and so forth.

So rather than pinning the issue on any one game system, start with a needs analysis and then work through the multitude of available games. If Warmahordes ticks all your boxes but your group is not aligned with what you want, look around for a new group.

Boiling things down a bit, your frustrations seem to be roughly as follows

beowulfhunter wrote:
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-There have been 3 separate rule changes in that time
-arguing about lists,
-playing on flat 2D boards,
-messing up my bases with arc lines
- vast masses of unpainted armies.
-I can't even convert models without the fear of other players or TOs having issues with the model making it null and void
-games with proprietary minis.

First of all.
You are simply playing the wrong game. Just about everything you've listed as a drawback is part and parcel of the Warmachine experience. An experience which is by no means representativel of wargaming as a whole. Note, I'm not saying it's a bad game, it's just clearly not the game for you.

Secondly,
If you're willing to accept proprietary minis, rule changes and unpainted minis, there are alot of games out there that will to some extent aleviate most (though not all) of your other concerns regarding gameplay. 40k, AoS, Infinity, etc, come to mind.

Third,
If you want a gaming experience that addresses all your conerns, you're going to have to go indie and/or find a group of players of a more popular game that share your prefference for allowing alternate models and playing with painted minis. A game like Kings of War tends to be more accepting of alternate miniatures, encourages customization and is not nearly as fiddly and comp'y as Warmachine. Historical games like Bolt Action are another avenue. They tend to be completely brand-ambivlent and in my experience put much more of an emphasis on painting.

Going indie can be hard to do, but if you're willing to put in the time networking, meeting people, and organizing it can be done. I've been playing this way for about 6 years. We meet every other week and though the group is only about 8 people (average 3-4 per meeting) we only play with painted minis, we play a range of games, most of which have mechanics or lists for incorporating whatever minis from that genre we have and we have ALOT of fun gaming in a way that doesn't at all feel like a compromise. We play KoW, Song of Blades, various Sci-fi games, etc. Folks like us who are interested in indie games often find themselves purchasing low cost, fast-play rules like those published by Osprey and playing a wide variety of games. Check the link in my sig to get a better idea of what I'm talking about.

All this to say that Warmachine isn't gaming as a whole. If you still like the idea of war gaming there are many other avenues to explore. Good Luck!

I want to say that I relate to much about what the OP says. I have a huge Cygnar army tucked in my closet, that I'm unlikely to every play again. It wasn't any one thing, but I think the only reason I ever played it even to the extent I did was because my friends all played, and then I moved away from them.

There are tons of other games. WM/H is a very specific niche.

There are plenty of games around these days, switch to one that suits what you want from wargaming. I think KoW or maybe AoS would suit you.

Also wanted to add the irony here is for the past 7 months or so I haven't even had the desire to play Warmachine despite continuing to read about it and listen to podcast and even buy some things. Instead I got back into Warhammer and have been focusing on that and being sure to go to my GW store every weekend to hang out. So again my advice would be take a break because that's basically what I'm doing although I really should go to the game store more to play Warmachine again it's just something in the back of my head that's I don't feel like doing this today and so I don't

Sadly, it sounds like you need a new group of players and you will have to be a bit picky about who they are. They will need to align around similar ideas of what gaming means to them, and it can be tough to find these people. However, they exist and they are out there.

Like others side there are other games systems, or find another gaming group and/or game to play.

I have never cared about system/game/company die hards, it is their problem, just played against people who weren't so inflexible.

Wargaming and gaming as a hobby should be fun firstly anything else secondary. If you are not having fun then stop and find something within the hobby that you do enjoy. I'm old enough now to know I enjoy the mythos, scenarios, story and painting side far more than making army lists or formulating the best tactics.

I started when 2nd edition 40k came out and hit a similar issue as you in that I lost interest once 4th edition came out (after trying to adapt to the rules change in 3rd). The current 40k rules are not for me and that's fine, however I do love the history and flavor of the game and some of the models are still amazing. Which is why I now paint models I like, have small groups of units ready if someone wants a chilled session of 40k kill team, necromunda & warhammer quest or if newer rules are to be played I can bring something along. My gaming group is fine with this because they know what I bring is never super competitve but usually amusing.

However I also have other gaming hobbies so if there is a break/bleak period I can focus on something else be it Magic: The Gathering, X-Wing, Fighting Video Games or some other board game like Cosmic Encounter. If I was to start something new like AoS tomorrow I'd be all over fielding some random hodge podge of fantasy minis as an army and then setting up a story with them. Flexibility is good and can make for some great battles, scenarios and stories to play without worrying about someone forcing what to field.

The most important thing is focus on what you like doing not what others tell you to like doing with your hobby

Eh, Hobby Fatigue is inevitable.

Me? Former GW Staffer, redundant in 2010. I've now moved onwards and upwards, working Up That London, which involves a daily four hour commute (combined, I'm not insane!).

That eats into my freetime. Usually home by 7pm, up at 5:30am. My weekdays (well, Mon-Thurs) are usually home, dinner, washing up, shower, bed - with a bit of tv thrown in.

Friday night is pub night. Saturday is hangover recovery (sometimes), and shopping. Sunday is Adulting.

I just don't have the time for regular gaming. And that causes a lack of hobby focus, causing me to flit from project to project. Rinse and repeat, and soon you get fatigued - your hobby literally isn't what it was.

Then came a couple of Apocalypse games. Those were fun. The second one even saw me field a fully painted army!

Now I'm feeling it all again. Still can't play as often as I used to, but instead I organise 'event' games. Next one? June 23rd, Warhammer World. 12,000 Heresy era game. Got my army mostly built, and painting commences end of this month when I've got a week off work.

Don't feel bad for the fatigue. It's perfectly natural.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Eh, Hobby Fatigue is inevitable.

Me? Former GW Staffer, redundant in 2010. I've now moved onwards and upwards, working Up That London, which involves a daily four hour commute (combined, I'm not insane!).

That eats into my freetime. Usually home by 7pm, up at 5:30am. My weekdays (well, Mon-Thurs) are usually home, dinner, washing up, shower, bed - with a bit of tv thrown in.

Friday night is pub night. Saturday is hangover recovery (sometimes), and shopping. Sunday is Adulting.

I just don't have the time for regular gaming. And that causes a lack of hobby focus, causing me to flit from project to project. Rinse and repeat, and soon you get fatigued - your hobby literally isn't what it was.

Then came a couple of Apocalypse games. Those were fun. The second one even saw me field a fully painted army!

Now I'm feeling it all again. Still can't play as often as I used to, but instead I organise 'event' games. Next one? June 23rd, Warhammer World. 12,000 Heresy era game. Got my army mostly built, and painting commences end of this month when I've got a week off work.

Don't feel bad for the fatigue. It's perfectly natural.

How do you feel about haggis?

Haggis is champion.

And at the end of the day, just a more honest sausage.