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 Pouncey wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
50k would be cool, but I'd only accept it if it stayed completely faithful to The Age Of Dusk and The Shape Of The Nightmare To Come.

So what if the game developers disagreed, and did it anyways.

Well, you'd quit. But people quit playing all the time, so what's the big deal there?

Quit? No, of course not. GW's fluff has been good enough lately that I'm sure I'd enjoy it. Plus, gaming is a social experience for me. Half the fun is talking to my opponents.

 Verviedi wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
50k would be cool, but I'd only accept it if it stayed completely faithful to The Age Of Dusk and The Shape Of The Nightmare To Come.

So what if the game developers disagreed, and did it anyways.

Well, you'd quit. But people quit playing all the time, so what's the big deal there?

Quit? No, of course not. GW's fluff has been good enough lately that I'm sure I'd enjoy it. Plus, gaming is a social experience for me. Half the fun is talking to my opponents.

So you're saying you would accept those changes you just said you'd never accept?

Yes. My original statement was meant to be semi-humorous.

 Verviedi wrote:
Yes. My original statement was meant to be semi-humorous.

Okay then.

I didn't get the joke. I thought you were serious. I was wrong. Sorry.

I'm just patiently waiting for the resurrection of the god emperor.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Yes. My original statement was meant to be semi-humorous.

Okay then.

I didn't get the joke. I thought you were serious. I was wrong. Sorry.

Don't worry. My sense of humor is odd to say the least.

Warhammer 50k.

The Genestealer Cults all rise up at once throwing half the Imperium into a vast panic.

The Tyranids move deep within the galaxy and consume worlds at an alarming rate.

The Silent King unites the Imperium, Eldar, Dark Eldar and Necrons to combat the Tyranids.

The Ultramarines and several of their founding chapters ally with the Tau against the Tyranids.

After 10,000 years the Galaxy looks completely different.

There are only a few major systems left in Imperial hands and only because the Necrons have supported them.

Interstellar travel is increasingly rare due to the constant presence of Tyranids in every corner of the galaxy.

As a result the Webway portals become the primary means of moving about the galaxy for the Allies.

The Ultra-Tau have mastered FTL travel without the use of the warp and are assisting the Ultramarines in uniting the broken chapters spread around the galaxy.

The Orks have just been partying on a galactic scale.

Meanwhile Chaos takes Terra and topples the Imperial palace, killing the Emperor who just comes back as a perpetual someone in the sea of stars.

Can mankind find him in time to save the Galaxy?

Can the Ultratau reunite the space marines and bring their full power together?

Can the Necrons hold the ancient enemies together or will the alliance shatter?

Hm, may I suggest The Omega as a replacement for "Ultratau"? I've had that idea before (you can see the wreckage of the idea in my abandoned fictions).

I kinda want to see Warhammer 50k if I live long enough. Or even 45k.

Squats ARE still in the lore.

They're just a SHORT note in the history books.
Not to belittle them or anything, but they were seriously underdeveloped as a faction.

 Gamgee wrote:
I kinda want to see Warhammer 50k if I live long enough. Or even 45k.

Do you have a terminal illness? Why else would you say "if I live long enough"?

 Pouncey wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

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Squats are in the lore last I checked.

Of course they are.

The lore says that they got eaten by Tyranids. How could the lore say that if they weren't in the lore?

They're not playable, yeah, but I mean, just because something's in the lore doesn't mean it has to be playable.

Because it doesn't?

The main Squat home world of Golgotha got overrun by Waaagh! Ghazkhull. It is in the 5th ed Ork dex. It's a little nod to the players who knew who inhabited the planet in earlier editions.

Plus in the 6th ed rulebook they are mentioned by name along with fishmen, cat people and others in the lists of approved abhumans.

Ruin wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

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Squats are in the lore last I checked.

Of course they are.

The lore says that they got eaten by Tyranids. How could the lore say that if they weren't in the lore?

They're not playable, yeah, but I mean, just because something's in the lore doesn't mean it has to be playable.

Because it doesn't?

The main Squat home world of Golgotha got overrun by Waaagh! Ghazkhull. It is in the 5th ed Ork dex. It's a little nod to the players who knew who inhabited the planet in earlier editions.

Plus in the 6th ed rulebook they are mentioned by name along with fishmen, cat people and others in the lists of approved abhumans.

Personally, I ascribe to the earlier lore that says they got eaten by Tyranids.

Which is the kind of thing I'm allowed to do when GW's position on canon is, "pick whatever you like to be canon," and not, "only the most recent version of things are canon."

Meh I don't get why a campaign or a new edition equals the death of 40k at all.

The answer is pretty simple.

What comes after 40k is WHFB.

Essentially, Chaos engulfs all planets except one which becomes "The Old World" and everything else becomes known as "The Universe That Was."

The Emperor is reborn as Sigmar.

WHFB happens, then *THAT* universe ends and "The Old World" becomes known as "The World That Was."

Finally the Emperor becomes a God as Sigmar, the 8 realms are created and the "Age of Sigmar" dawns.

Some kind of time-vortex re-introduces all of the 40k races and characters and every single miniature currently released becomes playable within the same game - "Age of Sigmar: 40K redux."

"Well, I'm just glad they advanced the timeline..." - said nobody.

 Pouncey wrote:

Ruin wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

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Squats are in the lore last I checked.

Of course they are.

The lore says that they got eaten by Tyranids. How could the lore say that if they weren't in the lore?

They're not playable, yeah, but I mean, just because something's in the lore doesn't mean it has to be playable.

Because it doesn't?

The main Squat home world of Golgotha got overrun by Waaagh! Ghazkhull. It is in the 5th ed Ork dex. It's a little nod to the players who knew who inhabited the planet in earlier editions.

Plus in the 6th ed rulebook they are mentioned by name along with fishmen, cat people and others in the lists of approved abhumans.

Personally, I ascribe to the earlier lore that says they got eaten by Tyranids.

Which is the kind of thing I'm allowed to do when GW's position on canon is, "pick whatever you like to be canon," and not, "only the most recent version of things are canon."

It does not say this anywhere though. Squats disappeared in the jump from 2nd to 3rd ed 40K. The "eaten by Tyranids" excuse is just something made up by bewildered GW staff members annoyed by people constantly asking them.

Ruin wrote:
It does not say this anywhere though. Squats disappeared in the jump from 2nd to 3rd ed 40K. The "eaten by Tyranids" excuse is just something made up by bewildered GW staff members annoyed by people constantly asking them.

Okay, then I choose to believe that fanfiction theory over the canon.

Try and stop me.


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ZaelART wrote:
The answer is pretty simple.

What comes after 40k is WHFB.

Essentially, Chaos engulfs all planets except one which becomes "The Old World" and everything else becomes known as "The Universe That Was."

The Emperor is reborn as Sigmar.

WHFB happens, then *THAT* universe ends and "The Old World" becomes known as "The World That Was."

Finally the Emperor becomes a God as Sigmar, the 8 realms are created and the "Age of Sigmar" dawns.

Some kind of time-vortex re-introduces all of the 40k races and characters and every single miniature currently released becomes playable within the same game - "Age of Sigmar: 40K redux."

"Well, I'm just glad they advanced the timeline..." - said nobody.

Well, I mean, they could always just shift the focus of the story to one of the other galaxies. Maybe do a prequel game about the Tyranid home galaxy and how they eventually took it over.

I wouldn't mind a Dark Age of Technology timeline.

It'd give them ALOT of creative license in the same universe to really go ham on just about anything and everything.

 sudojoe wrote:
I wouldn't mind a Dark Age of Technology timeline.

It'd give them ALOT of creative license in the same universe to really go ham on just about anything and everything.

Mmhm.

They have around 38,000 years to explore between the present day and the year 40,000. That's a lot of time for stuff to be happening in.

I can't help feel that a Dark Age of Technology game would have nothing at all to distinguish itself from all the other Sci-fi games/ universes out there.

40K is a distinct thing with lots of unique things built up over the years. Generic space ships and lasers it isn't.

Loopstah wrote:
I can't help feel that a Dark Age of Technology game would have nothing at all to distinguish itself from all the other Sci-fi games/ universes out there.

40K is a distinct thing with lots of unique things built up over the years. Generic space ships and lasers it isn't.

Today I learned that firing black holes out of cannons is generic.

Here's a list of things made during the DaoT

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dark_Age_of_Technology#Creations_of_the_Dark_Age

Bloodtide is on the list.
You know, that nanotech based plague that killed people by making them explode into fountains of blood.
Yeah, totally not a fun setting at all.

 Pouncey wrote:

 sudojoe wrote:
I wouldn't mind a Dark Age of Technology timeline.

It'd give them ALOT of creative license in the same universe to really go ham on just about anything and everything.

Mmhm.

They have around 38,000 years to explore between the present day and the year 40,000. That's a lot of time for stuff to be happening in.

You could even have the Emperor be around too but he'd just be another warlord. Heck, he can even have some prototype techno barbarian "space marines" or even pre-thunder warriors around. We can even have a men of Iron faction.

Titans and stuff can exist in even more variety and we can have all sorts of crazy xenos mix ups. no Tau though.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Loopstah wrote:
I can't help feel that a Dark Age of Technology game would have nothing at all to distinguish itself from all the other Sci-fi games/ universes out there.

40K is a distinct thing with lots of unique things built up over the years. Generic space ships and lasers it isn't.

Today I learned that firing black holes out of cannons is generic.

Here's a list of things made during the DaoT

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dark_Age_of_Technology#Creations_of_the_Dark_Age

Bloodtide is on the list.
You know, that nanotech based plague that killed people by making them explode into fountains of blood.
Yeah, totally not a fun setting at all.

I've never heard of any weapon that actually uses a black hole as a projectile. Probably because it would be insanely dangerous to do that within your own weapons' barrels.

But I have heard of ships using Black Hole Generators as weapons, where they create a Black Hole within dangerous proximity to enemy vessels. Master of Orion did that during the 1990s, and the Red Matter stuff in the 2009 Star Trek movie did it too. I don't imagine it's a unique idea.

As for a nanotech plague that kills people, you may want to look into the Grey Goo doomsday scenario.

Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine

In the grim darkness of the far future there are only three Codexes: Codex: Spess Mehrens, Codex: Chaos Spess Mehrens, and Codex: Enemies.

The first two feature all the popular units, wargear and rules from all the current Codexes, except now they're Space Marine flavoured. "Crisis Suit" becomes "Space Marine Suit", "Genestealer Patriarch" becomes "Space Marine with Claws", "Acts of Faith" become "Acts of Space", etc etc. Codex: CSM receives less units and options because they are the bad guys and GW's investors don't like the idea of bad guys winning.

Meanwhile, Codex: Enemies has one dataslate - a unit of 30 Ork Boyz which you can buy for 300pts, because Orks are iconic enemies of Space Mehrens.

Unification Wars. I think you could have a LOT of fun in that scenario - post-apocalypse cranked up to 111

 BBAP wrote:
Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine

In the grim darkness of the far future there are only three Codexes: Codex: Spess Mehrens, Codex: Chaos Spess Mehrens, and Codex: Enemies.

The first two feature all the popular units, wargear and rules from all the current Codexes, except now they're Space Marine flavoured. "Crisis Suit" becomes "Space Marine Suit", "Genestealer Patriarch" becomes "Space Marine with Claws", "Acts of Faith" become "Acts of Space", etc etc. Codex: CSM receives less units and options because they are the bad guys and GW's investors don't like the idea of bad guys winning.

Meanwhile, Codex: Enemies has one dataslate - a unit of 30 Ork Boyz which you can buy for 300pts, because Orks are iconic enemies of Space Mehrens.

So it's like Warhammer 30k?

Eh, more like a parody of 30k. 30k has Mechanicum, Cults, Imperial Militia, and Solar Auxilia. His suggestion is literally erasing everything but Marines, and moving everything from the erased armies to Marines.

 Skinflint Games wrote:
Unification Wars. I think you could have a LOT of fun in that scenario - post-apocalypse cranked up to 111

"Sir, enemy fleet ahead."

"Open a channel, let's try to end this diplomatically for once."

"Channel open, sir."

"Enemy fleet, we wish to unify with you. Do you accept?"

"Never. We wish to unify with you. We would rather die than accept your unity."

"You had your chance. Close channel."

"Channel closed, sir."

"Begin the attack. I'll be in my hammock, wondering why no one ever wants to unify with us. There must be something I'm missing about why no one ever wants to accept our unity while insisting on imposing their unity on us."


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 Verviedi wrote:
Eh, more like a parody of 30k. 30k has Mechanicum, Cults, Imperial Militia, and Solar Auxilia. His suggestion is literally erasing everything but Marines, and moving everything from the erased armies to Marines.

So like 40k, if you change the names of some armies and their stuff?

 Verviedi wrote:
Eh, more like a parody of 30k. 30k has Mechanicum, Cults, Imperial Militia, and Solar Auxilia. His suggestion is literally erasing everything but Marines, and moving everything from the erased armies to Marines.

That would greatly simplify both the fluff and crunch. It'd be easier to balance the game around only two factions, and think how much safer the Imperium would be if every citizen was a Space Marine. They're pretty tough - you could probably glue them together and build tanks out of them. "Space Marine Bikes" made from actual Space Marines.

 BBAP wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Eh, more like a parody of 30k. 30k has Mechanicum, Cults, Imperial Militia, and Solar Auxilia. His suggestion is literally erasing everything but Marines, and moving everything from the erased armies to Marines.

That would greatly simplify both the fluff and crunch. It'd be easier to balance the game around only two factions, and think how much safer the Imperium would be if every citizen was a Space Marine. They're pretty tough - you could probably glue them together and build tanks out of them. "Space Marine Bikes" made from actual Space Marines.

I think what would probably happen is that enemies of the Imperium would stop invading Imperial planets and just blow them up instead.