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As we get close and closer towards the 40k end times at the pace of a blind turtle going in the opposite direction, what do you think GW's next franchise will be?

Will it be the same case with WHFB where it bridges into another franchise (Age of Sigmar)?
Or will they just end 40k entirely and just make a completely new IP?

40k will remain in existence. It will not get the AoS treatment.

It may get rules similar, but they wouldn't just restart the universe as they had for AoS at least.

AOS was likely a test on product that wasn't doing great to begin with. 40k is GWs bread and butter and I doubt they would change it significantly.

Uhh. I don't know. The last IP that GW tried was LotR, and that was, what, 15 years ago?


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 Verviedi wrote:
40k will remain in existence. It will not get the AoS treatment.

You do know that AoS is just WHFB by a different name, right?

 Pouncey wrote:
Uhh. I don't know. The last IP that GW tried was LotR, and that was, what, 15 years ago?


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 Verviedi wrote:
40k will remain in existence. It will not get the AoS treatment.

You do know that AoS is just WHFB by a different name, right?

But it isn't. Sure they have the same units/characters (to an extent), but as far as fluff goes they may as well be different franchises. Kind of like Star Trek and Star Wars. Similar technology, completely different storyline.

Anyway, I think Verviedi was referring to the Universexplosion.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
40k will remain in existence. It will not get the AoS treatment.

You do know that AoS is just WHFB by a different name, right?

Lorewise, the only similarities are the races. The Realms are a really interesting concept, and there are cool fluff elements (living Mortal Engines-like cities). I can actually enjoy the AoS lore, where the WHFB lore was a tad generic for my tastes. Pretty much the only things I don't like in AoS are the Stormcast models. They're a bit boring imo.

Warhammer 50,000

 WarbossDakka wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Uhh. I don't know. The last IP that GW tried was LotR, and that was, what, 15 years ago?


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 Verviedi wrote:
40k will remain in existence. It will not get the AoS treatment.

You do know that AoS is just WHFB by a different name, right?

But it isn't. Sure they have the same units/characters (to an extent), but as far as fluff goes they may as well be different franchises. Kind of like Star Trek and Star Wars. Similar technology, completely different storyline.

Anyway, I think Verviedi was referring to the Universexplosion.

You ever look at the changes in WH40k lore between Rogue Trader and 7th edition?

Not very similar, the two. But they're both WH40k, aren't they?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Warhammer 50,000

I mean he's got a point

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Warhammer 50,000

GOLD!

 WarbossDakka wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Warhammer 50,000

I mean he's got a point

Isn't Warhammer 30k the same thing, but instead of 10,000 years in the future, it's 10,000 years in the past?

 Pouncey wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Uhh. I don't know. The last IP that GW tried was LotR, and that was, what, 15 years ago?


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 Verviedi wrote:
40k will remain in existence. It will not get the AoS treatment.

You do know that AoS is just WHFB by a different name, right?

But it isn't. Sure they have the same units/characters (to an extent), but as far as fluff goes they may as well be different franchises. Kind of like Star Trek and Star Wars. Similar technology, completely different storyline.

Anyway, I think Verviedi was referring to the Universexplosion.

You ever look at the changes in WH40k lore between Rogue Trader and 7th edition?

Not very similar, the two. But they're both WH40k, aren't they?

You are right, they are different titles under the same banner, but AoS isn't WHFB in a similar fashion. Rogue Trader is set in the same universe as 40k, as different as the fluff is, but AoS isn't in the same Universe as WHFB. There isn't a world map, but the 8 Realms. There isn't a Lorthern or Ulthran, but the Fire Realm and the Metal Realm.

 WarbossDakka wrote:
You are right, they are different titles under the same banner, but AoS isn't WHFB in a similar fashion. Rogue Trader is set in the same universe as 40k, as different as the fluff is, but AoS isn't in the same Universe as WHFB. There isn't a world map, but the 8 Realms. There isn't a Lorthern or Ulthran, but the Fire Realm and the Metal Realm.

So how does it use the same models, units and races if it's an entirely different thing?

 Pouncey wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
You are right, they are different titles under the same banner, but AoS isn't WHFB in a similar fashion. Rogue Trader is set in the same universe as 40k, as different as the fluff is, but AoS isn't in the same Universe as WHFB. There isn't a world map, but the 8 Realms. There isn't a Lorthern or Ulthran, but the Fire Realm and the Metal Realm.

So how does it use the same models, units and races if it's an entirely different thing?

Well for one thing the races are generally different and some of the races you can't even pretend still exist like Wood Elves.

pm713 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
You are right, they are different titles under the same banner, but AoS isn't WHFB in a similar fashion. Rogue Trader is set in the same universe as 40k, as different as the fluff is, but AoS isn't in the same Universe as WHFB. There isn't a world map, but the 8 Realms. There isn't a Lorthern or Ulthran, but the Fire Realm and the Metal Realm.

So how does it use the same models, units and races if it's an entirely different thing?

Well for one thing the races are generally different and some of the races you can't even pretend still exist like Wood Elves.

Isn't AoS what you get if you just, uh, advance the timeline in WHFB?

And in regards to the Wood Elves, have you heard of Squats?

 Pouncey wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
You are right, they are different titles under the same banner, but AoS isn't WHFB in a similar fashion. Rogue Trader is set in the same universe as 40k, as different as the fluff is, but AoS isn't in the same Universe as WHFB. There isn't a world map, but the 8 Realms. There isn't a Lorthern or Ulthran, but the Fire Realm and the Metal Realm.

So how does it use the same models, units and races if it's an entirely different thing?

Well for one thing the races are generally different and some of the races you can't even pretend still exist like Wood Elves.

Isn't AoS what you get if you just, uh, advance the timeline in WHFB?

And in regards to the Wood Elves, have you heard of Squats?

Yeah Squats exist in background. Wood Elves don't and can't.

 Pouncey wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
You are right, they are different titles under the same banner, but AoS isn't WHFB in a similar fashion. Rogue Trader is set in the same universe as 40k, as different as the fluff is, but AoS isn't in the same Universe as WHFB. There isn't a world map, but the 8 Realms. There isn't a Lorthern or Ulthran, but the Fire Realm and the Metal Realm.

So how does it use the same models, units and races if it's an entirely different thing?

Well for one thing the races are generally different and some of the races you can't even pretend still exist like Wood Elves.

Isn't AoS what you get if you just, uh, advance the timeline in WHFB?

And in regards to the Wood Elves, have you heard of Squats?

There's advancing the timeline and then there's destroying the world along with the game system. Sure, that's advancement but if GW's concern was the storyline they could've done something different.

And yes Squats disappeared and although I wasn't in the hobby at that time, it doesn't sound as if they were as fully developed as a faction as some of the things that disappeared from WHFB like Tomb Kings, which is basically the WHFB equivalent of GW removing Necrons from existence, at least before they got the overhaul and became a strong army. I apologise if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that squats weren't as developed as a faction, at least not in the modern sense that we're used to today, with their own army book and range of models. Also - and again I'm not sure here as my knowledge of AoS fluff is shaky, so apologies if I'm wrong - models like the Tomb Kings simply don't exist in the AoS universe, and either GW pretend they never existed or were just like "oh they all died". Squats, to my knowledge, are still around in the 40k fluff and, as such, may even make an appearance in the future (especially seeing as GW seems to be getting more consumer-savvy), whereas I doubt there's any such hope for Tomb Kings beside a price-hiked appearance in that "bring them back" thing they've been doing.

I for one am out of wargaming if they give 40k the AoS treatment. A drastic approach maybe, but I'm nearing the end of university and will be looking to get a job, my own place, start my own life etc and, as much as I'd love to continue with the hobby, I could do with not having hundreds and hundreds of plastic soldiers (more of which I will inevitably spend my much-needed money on) lying around.

Final Fantasy uses a lot of the same monsters in each of their games, but they're all different stories and settings.

pm713 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
You are right, they are different titles under the same banner, but AoS isn't WHFB in a similar fashion. Rogue Trader is set in the same universe as 40k, as different as the fluff is, but AoS isn't in the same Universe as WHFB. There isn't a world map, but the 8 Realms. There isn't a Lorthern or Ulthran, but the Fire Realm and the Metal Realm.

So how does it use the same models, units and races if it's an entirely different thing?

Well for one thing the races are generally different and some of the races you can't even pretend still exist like Wood Elves.

Isn't AoS what you get if you just, uh, advance the timeline in WHFB?

And in regards to the Wood Elves, have you heard of Squats?

Yeah Squats exist in background. Wood Elves don't and can't.

Wood Elfs still exist as the Wanderers. Their race hasn't been retgonned or anything, they've just got some issues going on currently thanks to alot of things going wrong in their favor but they haven't exactly been squatted or anything.

pm713 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
You are right, they are different titles under the same banner, but AoS isn't WHFB in a similar fashion. Rogue Trader is set in the same universe as 40k, as different as the fluff is, but AoS isn't in the same Universe as WHFB. There isn't a world map, but the 8 Realms. There isn't a Lorthern or Ulthran, but the Fire Realm and the Metal Realm.

So how does it use the same models, units and races if it's an entirely different thing?

Well for one thing the races are generally different and some of the races you can't even pretend still exist like Wood Elves.

Isn't AoS what you get if you just, uh, advance the timeline in WHFB?

And in regards to the Wood Elves, have you heard of Squats?

Yeah Squats exist in background. Wood Elves don't and can't.

Squats got eaten by Tyranids. They're not around in the lore anymore.


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 The Shadow wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
You are right, they are different titles under the same banner, but AoS isn't WHFB in a similar fashion. Rogue Trader is set in the same universe as 40k, as different as the fluff is, but AoS isn't in the same Universe as WHFB. There isn't a world map, but the 8 Realms. There isn't a Lorthern or Ulthran, but the Fire Realm and the Metal Realm.

So how does it use the same models, units and races if it's an entirely different thing?

Well for one thing the races are generally different and some of the races you can't even pretend still exist like Wood Elves.

Isn't AoS what you get if you just, uh, advance the timeline in WHFB?

And in regards to the Wood Elves, have you heard of Squats?

There's advancing the timeline and then there's destroying the world along with the game system. Sure, that's advancement but if GW's concern was the storyline they could've done something different.

And yes Squats disappeared and although I wasn't in the hobby at that time, it doesn't sound as if they were as fully developed as a faction as some of the things that disappeared from WHFB like Tomb Kings, which is basically the WHFB equivalent of GW removing Necrons from existence, at least before they got the overhaul and became a strong army. I apologise if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that squats weren't as developed as a faction, at least not in the modern sense that we're used to today, with their own army book and range of models. Also - and again I'm not sure here as my knowledge of AoS fluff is shaky, so apologies if I'm wrong - models like the Tomb Kings simply don't exist in the AoS universe, and either GW pretend they never existed or were just like "oh they all died". Squats, to my knowledge, are still around in the 40k fluff and, as such, may even make an appearance in the future (especially seeing as GW seems to be getting more consumer-savvy), whereas I doubt there's any such hope for Tomb Kings beside a price-hiked appearance in that "bring them back" thing they've been doing.

I for one am out of wargaming if they give 40k the AoS treatment. A drastic approach maybe, but I'm nearing the end of university and will be looking to get a job, my own place, start my own life etc and, as much as I'd love to continue with the hobby, I could do with not having hundreds and hundreds of plastic soldiers (more of which I will inevitably spend my much-needed money on) lying around.

They could have done literally whatever they wanted.

They could've advanced the WHFB storyline and still had those races around. They could've had the universe not end.

Is AoS just WHFB where stuff happened that ended the universe? YES. That means that they ADVANCED THE TIMELINE, and the changes involved the destruction of the universe.

It would be 41k.... But everyone would still call it 40k cause forty-one-k just doesn't roll off the tongue the same way.

 Engine of War wrote:
It would be 41k.... But everyone would still call it 40k cause forty-one-k just doesn't roll off the tongue the same way.

So then they could just make the changes happen nine thousand years later, and call it Warhammer 50k?

50k would be cool, but I'd only accept it if it stayed completely faithful to The Age Of Dusk and The Shape Of The Nightmare To Come.

 Verviedi wrote:
50k would be cool, but I'd only accept it if it stayed completely faithful to The Age Of Dusk and The Shape Of The Nightmare To Come.

So what if the game developers disagreed, and did it anyways.

Well, you'd quit. But people quit playing all the time, so what's the big deal there?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
You are right, they are different titles under the same banner, but AoS isn't WHFB in a similar fashion. Rogue Trader is set in the same universe as 40k, as different as the fluff is, but AoS isn't in the same Universe as WHFB. There isn't a world map, but the 8 Realms. There isn't a Lorthern or Ulthran, but the Fire Realm and the Metal Realm.

So how does it use the same models, units and races if it's an entirely different thing?

Well for one thing the races are generally different and some of the races you can't even pretend still exist like Wood Elves.

Isn't AoS what you get if you just, uh, advance the timeline in WHFB?

And in regards to the Wood Elves, have you heard of Squats?

Yeah Squats exist in background. Wood Elves don't and can't.

Wood Elfs still exist as the Wanderers. Their race hasn't been retgonned or anything, they've just got some issues going on currently thanks to alot of things going wrong in their favor but they haven't exactly been squatted or anything.

Except Athel Loren no longer exists. Nor do they live in the forest and keep outsiders out anymore.


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 Pouncey wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
You are right, they are different titles under the same banner, but AoS isn't WHFB in a similar fashion. Rogue Trader is set in the same universe as 40k, as different as the fluff is, but AoS isn't in the same Universe as WHFB. There isn't a world map, but the 8 Realms. There isn't a Lorthern or Ulthran, but the Fire Realm and the Metal Realm.

So how does it use the same models, units and races if it's an entirely different thing?

Well for one thing the races are generally different and some of the races you can't even pretend still exist like Wood Elves.

Isn't AoS what you get if you just, uh, advance the timeline in WHFB?

And in regards to the Wood Elves, have you heard of Squats?

Yeah Squats exist in background. Wood Elves don't and can't.

Squats got eaten by Tyranids. They're not around in the lore anymore.


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Squats are in the lore last I checked.

 Pouncey wrote:

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Squats are in the lore last I checked.

Of course they are.

The lore says that they got eaten by Tyranids. How could the lore say that if they weren't in the lore?

They're not playable, yeah, but I mean, just because something's in the lore doesn't mean it has to be playable.

Except Athel Loren no longer exists. Nor do they live in the forest and keep outsiders out anymore.

Well they are wandering for a reason... I almost wonder if the Sylvaneth will forgive them and take them back into the Realm of life.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

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Squats are in the lore last I checked.

Of course they are.

The lore says that they got eaten by Tyranids. How could the lore say that if they weren't in the lore?

They're not playable, yeah, but I mean, just because something's in the lore doesn't mean it has to be playable.

I meant that they weren't all gone.

pm713 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

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Squats are in the lore last I checked.

Of course they are.

The lore says that they got eaten by Tyranids. How could the lore say that if they weren't in the lore?

They're not playable, yeah, but I mean, just because something's in the lore doesn't mean it has to be playable.

I meant that they weren't all gone.

What if the lore said they all died?

Would that erase them from the lore entirely? No, because the lore said they all died, and therefore the lore still acknowledges their former existence.