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 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:


It's just that usually I think other people are wrong. Some of the things people say are so out there that it's very clear that they don't understand what they're talking about, yet they insist I'm the one who's mistaken.

Maybe they are wrong then: an unhealthy mix of ignorance and stubborness.

That's why I insist I'm right when I am in fact wrong. I imagine other people are the same way.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

They are very, very careful not to put that much radioactive material that close together.

But are Imperial (or chaos) princepts that careful?

Well, first they'd have to understand what "fission" is.

Whoever designed Titans had to understand it though.

They probably understood it at the time of creation but now? "What the hell is the damned thing inside my titan that produces so much energy?"
"The STC calls it a 'fission' reactor sir."
"Fish-on ay? Damned geniuses of the old times harnessed fish for power, how cunning. You there, servitor! Throw more fish in the reactor; we need more power!"

At least, I assume that's how princepts work titans now.

Well, first they'd probably treat it as a proper noun.

Second, after 38,000 years, they damned well aren't using the same English words we are today.

Though interestingly, you could use fish as fuel in a fusion reactor if you had to. Not a fission one though.

You'd probably use hydrogen if you had it though.

For example, the hydrogen in seawater. And in space.


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Mudrat wrote:
OP here.

The point of this topic is wondering how Horus would have tried to kill the emperor if the other legions weren't coming, and thus he had all the time in the world, making this alternate history. I don't think he would ever have besieged Terra without a plan to kill big E. As a result we assume the confrontation doesn't occur on the vengeful spirit and instead occurs somehow in the palace. Sorry for not being fully clear.

A few options present themselves.

1. Lowering his shields may have been a deliberate ploy to goad the Emperor aboard.
2. He may have intended to join the fight himself when it came down to killing the Emperor.
3. For some reason he didn't consider just blowing up the entire Imperial Palace from orbit.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

They are very, very careful not to put that much radioactive material that close together.

But are Imperial (or chaos) princepts that careful?

Well, first they'd have to understand what "fission" is.

Whoever designed Titans had to understand it though.

They probably understood it at the time of creation but now? "What the hell is the damned thing inside my titan that produces so much energy?"
"The STC calls it a 'fission' reactor sir."
"Fish-on ay? Damned geniuses of the old times harnessed fish for power, how cunning. You there, servitor! Throw more fish in the reactor; we need more power!"

At least, I assume that's how princepts work titans now.

Well, first they'd probably treat it as a proper noun.

Second, after 38,000 years, they damned well aren't using the same English words we are today.

Though interestingly, you could use fish as fuel in a fusion reactor if you had to. Not a fission one though.

You'd probably use hydrogen if you had it though.

For example, the hydrogen in seawater. And in space.

I was only poking fun at the Imperiums lack of understanding of inventions created before the age of Darkness.
I would assume that, apart from the actual creation of the titan (the STC being lost and all), they would be able to run the titan itself with ease; the nuclear reactors especially seeing as they are quite frequently used throughout the Imperium and I would hope (or do I) they would know not to put a fish in a fission reactor.

Although I must ask, besides any hydrogen that may be contained within a fish, how might one use a fish to fuel a fusion reactor?

 mrhappyface wrote:
I was only poking fun at the Imperiums lack of understanding of inventions created before the age of Darkness.
I would assume that, apart from the actual creation of the titan (the STC being lost and all), they would be able to run the titan itself with ease; the nuclear reactors especially seeing as they are quite frequently used throughout the Imperium and I would hope (or do I) they would know not to put a fish in a fission reactor.

Although I must ask, besides any hydrogen that may be contained within a fish, how might one use a fish to fuel a fusion reactor?

Probably they would try it if they made the connection.

And, um, by fusing the other elements the fish is made of.

We use hydrogen for our fusion reactors in real life because it's fairly predictable and safe.

 Pouncey wrote:

And, um, by fusing the other elements the fish is made of.

Ah, I thought you were suggesting using a whole fish as fuel.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

And, um, by fusing the other elements the fish is made of.

Ah, I thought you were suggesting using a whole fish as fuel.

What part of a fish is not made of one element or another?

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

And, um, by fusing the other elements the fish is made of.

Ah, I thought you were suggesting using a whole fish as fuel.

What part of a fish is not made of one element or another?

Are you suggesting whole trout could be used as fuel for nuclear fusion?

Presumably with the piece of fulgurite that some Word Bearers have been chasing after and as of Deathfire, is in the possession of the Salamanders?

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

And, um, by fusing the other elements the fish is made of.

Ah, I thought you were suggesting using a whole fish as fuel.

What part of a fish is not made of one element or another?

Are you suggesting whole trout could be used as fuel for nuclear fusion?

Yes, if you had a fusion process that would fuse it and produce power from it.

Also literally anything made of atoms.

Including you.

And your computer.

And, uh, like, everything made of matter.

How do you think nuclear fusion works?

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

And, um, by fusing the other elements the fish is made of.

Ah, I thought you were suggesting using a whole fish as fuel.

What part of a fish is not made of one element or another?

Are you suggesting whole trout could be used as fuel for nuclear fusion?

Yes, if you had a fusion process that would fuse it and produce power from it.

Also literally anything made of atoms.

Including you.

And your computer.

And, uh, like, everything made of matter.

How do you think nuclear fusion works?

The fuel used to power fusion reactors is a composate of high energy nuclei in plasma form, a whole trout would not be able to undergo nuclear fusion without first (somehow) forming a plasma from the trout and then adding enough energy to the plasma so that the nuclei may overcome the forces repelling each other so that they may collide and join. Such as process would use an enormous amount of energy.

Also I would like to see you attempt to make a high energy plasma from a trout.

(Sorry if this is incoherant or subsequent posts are but I am a little bit drunk and will only get more drunk as the night goes on)

cannonfodr wrote:
Presumably with the piece of fulgurite that some Word Bearers have been chasing after and as of Deathfire, is in the possession of the Salamanders?

Spoiler:

This is assuming Horus knows that the Emperor is a perpetual and that the fulgurite works the way we've been led to believe it does.

For all we know, it is a one use only item and it was already expended by making John Grammaticus mortal again.

Thing is, the fulgurite spear is made from the Emperor's raw psychic might, therefore if it were to be used against him, he would probably recognize it instantly and make it ineffective or even possibly reabsorb that power. This is just an assumption of course, in my mind it would be like trying to destroy water with water.

 Castiel wrote:
Horus's maul Worldbreaker was made and imbued with the Emperor's power IIRC. Fight fire with fire once the Emperor's defences support are critically weakened was the original plan I guess, but time turned against Horus.

For what it's worth, in the first Black Legion book, the Talon of Horus is shown to be a more powerful weapon than Worldbreaker, as the former shatters the latter. This is post siege of Terra, though, and the Talon is still wet with blood, so take with a pinch of salt.