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Okay, so if we assume that the SW/DA/UM and such didn't make it to Terra in time, how does the siege finalyl end? Its safe to say that the IW would break the defences and Angron and the WE overrun the defences, but what the real question is is how do they kill the emperor? Did Horus always plan on killing him himself, or did he have another idea.

For the record, lets Assume that Horus can chose what forces to bring with him or send to kill Big E, who will probably make a last stand with Custodians and such by the Throne or maybe the Astronomican.

Horus would have probably been killed anyway to conform with Tzeentch's great plan and plunge the galaxy into eternal war. Chaos (The Gods that is) wants eternal war, if Horus were to win then the beings of the warp wouldn't have been able to grow fat on the in fighting of the Imperium.

He had great psyker power called delusional. A gift most likely given by Tzeentch. It didn't turn out how he pictured it in his head. I don't think he ever had a chance. ie: Just as planned.

Out of curiosity... Why do you think the Emperor is a lifeless husk on the Golden Throne?

 Pouncey wrote:
Out of curiosity... Why do you think the Emperor is a lifeless husk on the Golden Throne?

Who thought that?

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Out of curiosity... Why do you think the Emperor is a lifeless husk on the Golden Throne?

Who thought that?

Rick Priestley. Just some guy.

 Lord Fishface wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Out of curiosity... Why do you think the Emperor is a lifeless husk on the Golden Throne?

Who thought that?

Rick Priestley. Just some guy.

I...

I don't know what's going on.

I'm on a 40k lore forum on a well-known wargaming site, and people don't know how the Horus Heresy ended.

I'm starting to think I might be hallucinating or something.

What are you on about?

 mrhappyface wrote:
What are you on about?

I don't know how to describe it any clearer than I already did.

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
What are you on about?

I don't know how to describe it any clearer than I already did.

We are talking about before the Emperor was on the thrown and before he recieved the injuries that put him on the thrown.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
What are you on about?

I don't know how to describe it any clearer than I already did.

We are talking about before the Emperor was on the thrown and before he recieved the injuries that put him on the thrown.

He received those injuries from Horus. In Horus' attempt to kill the Emperor.

So the answer to the OP is basically, "With, like, weapons and magic and stuff."

That was a forced confrentation though, he wanted to be able to slowly close in on the Emperor and weaken him so that the fight may be tipped in his favour. As it was, Horus was running out of time and faced the Emperor in a less than satisfactory circumstances: Horus would be fatigued from his fight with Sanguinius and the Emperor would be spured on by his hatred for Horus in killing the living angel.

Although "weapons and magic and stuff" is what it would come down to, isn't that what is used to kill anyone in 40k.

 mrhappyface wrote:
That was a forced confrentation though, he wanted to be able to slowly close in on the Emperor and weaken him so that the fight may be tipped in his favour. As it was, Horus was running out of time and faced the Emperor in a less than satisfactory circumstances: Horus would be fatigued from his fight with Sanguinius and the Emperor would be spured on by his hatred for Horus in killing the living angel.

Although "weapons and magic and stuff" is what it would come down to, isn't that what is used to kill anyone in 40k.

Yes. Of course it is.

Which is probably what Horus planned to kill the Emperor with.

Maybe that's why he lowered his ship's shields in the first place, to goad the Emperor aboard.

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
That was a forced confrentation though, he wanted to be able to slowly close in on the Emperor and weaken him so that the fight may be tipped in his favour. As it was, Horus was running out of time and faced the Emperor in a less than satisfactory circumstances: Horus would be fatigued from his fight with Sanguinius and the Emperor would be spured on by his hatred for Horus in killing the living angel.

Although "weapons and magic and stuff" is what it would come down to, isn't that what is used to kill anyone in 40k.

What exactly is used to kill people in 40k then?

"Weapons and magic and stuff"

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
That was a forced confrentation though, he wanted to be able to slowly close in on the Emperor and weaken him so that the fight may be tipped in his favour. As it was, Horus was running out of time and faced the Emperor in a less than satisfactory circumstances: Horus would be fatigued from his fight with Sanguinius and the Emperor would be spured on by his hatred for Horus in killing the living angel.

Although "weapons and magic and stuff" is what it would come down to, isn't that what is used to kill anyone in 40k.

What exactly is used to kill people in 40k then?

"Weapons and magic and stuff"

Why wouldn't that work on the Emperor?

I agreed that it would but I also stated that is what is used to kill everyone in 40k, yet not every death is the same.

 mrhappyface wrote:
I agreed that it would but I also stated that is what is used to kill everyone in 40k, yet not every death is the same.

So then where's the mystery on how Horus planned to kill the Emperor coming from?

He was gonna use weapons and magic and stuff to kill him.

He has, like, a space fleet, and 9 Legions of Space Marines. It's not like he's short on destructive weaponry.

"Weapons and magic and stuff" covers a wide variety of things.

Let's say we were playing a game of 30k, you had Horus, Angron and several legions of space marines vs The Emperor, Sanguinius and several legions of space marines. You are going to atrempt to win the game by using your weapons, your magic and other stuff but there are still a multitude of different tactics you could use.

 mrhappyface wrote:
"Weapons and magic and stuff" covers a wide variety of things.

Let's say we were playing a game of 30k, you had Horus, Angron and several legions of space marines vs The Emperor, Sanguinius and several legions of space marines. You are going to atrempt to win the game by using your weapons, your magic and other stuff but there are still a multitude of different tactics you could use.

I'd probably use the one Horus used.

First, get all four Chaos Gods supporting me and imbuing me with their power.

Second, find a way to lure the Emperor into a small battle.

Third, try to kill him.

Though actually, on second thought, I'd rig my ship to self-destruct, evacuate to another ship, lower my ship's shields by remote, wait for the Emperor to beam aboard, then, like, activate the self-destruct.

Or maybe remote pilot the ship into the Sun.

Can the Emperor survive the Sun?

I hope not.

But you have proven my point: there are a multitude of ways Horus could have killed the Emperor had he had the time.

I guess I also might consider just ramming a ship into the Imperial Palace on purpose.

 Pouncey wrote:
I guess I also might consider just ramming a ship into the Imperial Palace on purpose.

Or forcing one of the imperator titans within the palace to go nuclear.

 mrhappyface wrote:
I hope not.

But you have proven my point: there are a multitude of ways Horus could have killed the Emperor had he had the time.

Wasn't the OP questioning how Horus intended to kill the Emperor at all? I thought they were under the impression the Emperor was completely unkillable.

I mean, if they wanted to know what method he intended to use, well, the conclusion of the Horus Heresy is pretty major stuff in 40k lore, so I figured they'd already know that before coming onto a 40k background forum.


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 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
I guess I also might consider just ramming a ship into the Imperial Palace on purpose.

Or forcing one of the imperator titans within the palace to go nuclear.

That's not difficult if they're using fission reactors.

If they're using fusion reactors though, it's probably impossible and they should consider just dropping a nuclear bomb of their own.

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
I hope not.

But you have proven my point: there are a multitude of ways Horus could have killed the Emperor had he had the time.

Wasn't the OP questioning how Horus intended to kill the Emperor at all? I thought they were under the impression the Emperor was completely unkillable.

I mean, if they wanted to know what method he intended to use, well, the conclusion of the Horus Heresy is pretty major stuff in 40k lore, so I figured they'd already know that before coming onto a 40k background forum.

I didn't get that impression from the OP's post but maybe that is what he meant?

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
I guess I also might consider just ramming a ship into the Imperial Palace on purpose.

Or forcing one of the imperator titans within the palace to go nuclear.

That's not difficult if they're using fission reactors.

If they're using fusion reactors though, it's probably impossible and they should consider just dropping a nuclear bomb of their own.

It's probably fission, everything in 40k has to be as dangerous as possible, to the enemy and the user (see plasma gun).

 mrhappyface wrote:
I didn't get that impression from the OP's post but maybe that is what he meant?

Am I misinterpreting all the conversations on this forum? I've been thinking people were talking about their speculation like it's fact, but if they've just been wanting to speculate...

Well, I came into this forum kinda expecting to discuss what lore books actually say, and I tend to mark my speculation very clearly as such. Maybe a large part of the friction I have at times is because I've been trying to say what the lore actually says about stuff at times, and people are taking it as me insisting on my own interpretation as the only correct one? I mean, GW said we can pick and choose from established material what we accept as canon, not that we can treat speculation as canon, and I just kinda assumed that people would keep their speculation and the canon very compartmentalized. Because when I'm talking about my speculation, we all seem to get along, and then it's only when I try to insist on what the lore actually says that people tell me I can't do that. Hence my confusion.

 Pouncey wrote:
It's probably fission, everything in 40k has to be as dangerous as possible, to the enemy and the user (see plasma gun).

That would be bad.

Fission reactors don't undergo nuclear explosions. They are very, very careful not to put that much radioactive material that close together. They go into meltdown, like Chernobyl.

No big boom, but seriously massive radioactive contamination of the surrounding area.

Horus's maul Worldbreaker was made and imbued with the Emperor's power IIRC. Fight fire with fire once the Emperor's defences and support are critically weakened was the original plan I guess, but time turned against Horus.

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
I didn't get that impression from the OP's post but maybe that is what he meant?

Am I misinterpreting all the conversations on this forum? I've been thinking people were talking about their speculation like it's fact, but if they've just been wanting to speculate...

Well, I came into this forum kinda expecting to discuss what lore books actually say, and I tend to mark my speculation very clearly as such. Maybe a large part of the friction I have at times is because I've been trying to say what the lore actually says about stuff at times, and people are taking it as me insisting on my own interpretation as the only correct one? I mean, GW said we can pick and choose from established material what we accept as canon, not that we can treat speculation as canon, and I just kinda assumed that people would keep their speculation and the canon very compartmentalized. Because when I'm talking about my speculation, we all seem to get along, and then it's only when I try to insist on what the lore actually says that people tell me I can't do that. Hence my confusion.

I don't understand anything that happens on this forum, just pretend like you know what's going on and don't let it get to you if you realise that you were wrong. (<-- this happens to me a lot )

 Pouncey wrote:

They are very, very careful not to put that much radioactive material that close together.

But are Imperial (or chaos) princepts that careful?

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
I didn't get that impression from the OP's post but maybe that is what he meant?

Am I misinterpreting all the conversations on this forum? I've been thinking people were talking about their speculation like it's fact, but if they've just been wanting to speculate...

Well, I came into this forum kinda expecting to discuss what lore books actually say, and I tend to mark my speculation very clearly as such. Maybe a large part of the friction I have at times is because I've been trying to say what the lore actually says about stuff at times, and people are taking it as me insisting on my own interpretation as the only correct one? I mean, GW said we can pick and choose from established material what we accept as canon, not that we can treat speculation as canon, and I just kinda assumed that people would keep their speculation and the canon very compartmentalized. Because when I'm talking about my speculation, we all seem to get along, and then it's only when I try to insist on what the lore actually says that people tell me I can't do that. Hence my confusion.

I don't understand anything that happens on this forum, just pretend like you know what's going on and don't let it get to you if you realise that you were wrong. (<-- this happens to me a lot )

It never gets to me when I realize that I'm wrong. I like finding out I'm wrong.

It's just that usually I think other people are wrong. Some of the things people say are so out there that it's very clear that they don't understand what they're talking about, yet they insist I'm the one who's mistaken.

 Pouncey wrote:

They are very, very careful not to put that much radioactive material that close together.

But are Imperial (or chaos) princepts that careful?

Well, first they'd have to understand what "fission" is.

Whoever designed Titans had to understand it though.

 Pouncey wrote:


It's just that usually I think other people are wrong. Some of the things people say are so out there that it's very clear that they don't understand what they're talking about, yet they insist I'm the one who's mistaken.

Maybe they are wrong then: an unhealthy mix of ignorance and stubborness.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

They are very, very careful not to put that much radioactive material that close together.

But are Imperial (or chaos) princepts that careful?

Well, first they'd have to understand what "fission" is.

Whoever designed Titans had to understand it though.

They probably understood it at the time of creation but now? "What the hell is the damned thing inside my titan that produces so much energy?"
"The STC calls it a 'fission' reactor sir."
"Fish-on ay? Damned geniuses of the old times harnessed fish for power, how cunning. You there, servitor! Throw more fish in the reactor; we need more power!"

At least, I assume that's how princepts work titans now.

OP here.

The point of this topic is wondering how Horus would have tried to kill the emperor if the other legions weren't coming, and thus he had all the time in the world, making this alternate history. I don't think he would ever have besieged Terra without a plan to kill big E. As a result we assume the confrontation doesn't occur on the vengeful spirit and instead occurs somehow in the palace. Sorry for not being fully clear.