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So I'm seeing three things here:

(1) If you want to be resurrected, be a Saint, not a Loyalist Space Marine;

(2) Chaos Space Marines can resurrect either because of Warp Shenanigans or Fabius Bile Shenanigans;

(3) The only way for Loyalist Space Marines to be 'Resurrected' is to be 'awoken' from the death-like coma they can enter as a result of the Sus-an Membrane;

So in other words - A Loyalist Space Marine cannot die and then be brought back to life unless using their Sus-an Membrane is considered death.
   
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Northumberland

@IllumiNini -

Warpig1815 wrote:Resurrected Space Marines are totally a thing.

The Iron Hands used the Keys of Hel to cybernetically resurrect a number of their marines.

Keys of Hel

Don't know what happened to the tech in 40k, but I gather it's either destroyed or back under lock and key.


I'm just going to leave my last post here (again) - in short, it is possible to resurrect a marine from dead using the Keys. The only difference is that, whilst the reverent retains memories, thoughts and the ability to speak, they get 'slower' the further they are from the Keys.

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... sort of? In my opinion, that's really more of an advanced form of the same technology that brings back executed heretics as servitors. Read the link you gave:

Cyber-Resurrection was one of the possible applications of the forbidden technologies, restoring the dead to a facsimile of life.


Rather than resurrecting them, it creates a servitor out of their body uses their memory as programming. It doesn't attach their soul-stuff back to the body or any of that. These are advanced servitors, called "ghola" or "Revenants", which become slower and less capable the longer they spent away from the machine that spawned them, and require to be stored in a special cryogenic state or they would perish. It's not about distance from the machine, but time spent away from it. They basically need to stay cold to survive.

So again, sort of... but IMO it's really just Zombie Cyborg Mr. Freeze as Space Marines.

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@Melissia -Mmm... granted. I suppose it's the question of 'Is AI life, true life?' If it walks, talks and looks human - is it human? Similarly, it's the Theseus's Ship Paradox - if you replace all the components of an object (Theseus's Ship), is it still the same ship?

So in this case, if the marine retains his memories, characteristics and ability to converse (Indicating a level of continued mental operation) is he 'alive'? Similarly, if all of this continues despite extensive reconstruction by cybernetics, is he truly the same marine?

To be honest, I do agree with you on the ambiguity of it, but, IMHO, in this case I'd tentatively deem them resurrected, even if it isn't a perfect biological and independent resurrection. For instance, is a person on life support truly alive, even if they rely on the machine to exist - I suspect the answer to those questions are far more complicated than can be answered on an internetz forum dedicated to tiny plastic men

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Malben

 Warpig1815 wrote:
I suspect the answer to those questions are far more complicated than can be answered on an internetz forum dedicated to tiny plastic men
Do they have a soul?

Yes: he's alive!
No: he's dead, Jim.

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I can just picture the Iron Hands' reactions:

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