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Great to hear you had fun in your battle. Also keep in mind the "Get Started Now" box sets currently available. They are great starters by themselves and also can flesh out an already existing army nicely. Sounds like you are on the right track. Also take a look at the General's Handbook as it has a number of different ways to play the game along with scenerios, narrative, points, etc. Might be something in there more to your liking then the bone stock AoS rule set.

Keep in mind as well, AoS is all about being a bit more loose with the rules and having fun. If you have ideas to make it easier or even tougher in ways that are reminiscent of WHFB then nothing says you can't do it as long as your opponent agrees of course. Enjoy!

Do you like a 200$ model balanced on a string and impossible to transport?
Do you like weird statues with the face of a horrified sex doll?
Do you like formations?
Do you like spending 100$+ for 5 models?
Do you have a raptor fetish?
Do you like star gate?
Do you like paying with pratice rules for a couple years?

AoS has got you covered.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Do you like a 200$ model balanced on a string and impossible to transport?
Do you like weird statues with the face of a horrified sex doll?
Do you like formations?
Do you like spending 100$+ for 5 models?
Do you have a raptor fetish?
Do you like star gate?
Do you like paying with pratice rules for a couple years?

AoS has got you covered.

I don't get this. Are you serious?

OgreChubbs wrote:
Do you like a 200$ model balanced on a string and impossible to transport?

Mawkrushas and Alarielle disagree, plus there are pretty few even amongst the big critters.

Do you like weird statues with the face of a horrified sex doll?

Huh, now that's a good angle. Though I'm not sure which minis are you referring. Links please (No, seriously, I want to use it for photoshop fodder).

Do you like formations?

Which are nowhere as OP as 40k's as a rule of thumb, force you to fit on the Force-org chart and are costed. Batallions> Formations all day, babe.

Do you like spending 100$+ for 5 models?

At least people won't have to paint the 100 models that would be the points equivalent of those 5 models. *O&G PTSD-flashback intensifies*

Do you like star gate?

Realmgates' function more akin to the Death-Gate Cycle's and realms are too similar to moorcock's sword and stallion (i think that was the name, I read it too long ago...) realms. But it's an apt comparison to the layman, and the shows were generally good.

Do you like paying with pratice rules for a couple years?

Paying like WHFB's rules??? Hey at least they are not charging 80 bucks per rulebook.

AoS has got you covered.

And thank the All-mighty-never-do-wrong-GW for that, may the guide us for decades! (well, I'm kidding).

Archaon is balanced on a tail scale and a chain the tip of a building.
Sigmarines
Fair enough if you like no choice do what we say.
100 models that ment something now you play only elites which just plain sucks.
Star gate
Whfb had balanced rules AoS had a rule update in 6 months also don't tart on the price being free it is a myth.
General hand book 40$ your army book 40$ then if you want to play more then the 4 units in the iron jaw book you need to buy the great alliance book 40$ so cheap.

Stormcast don't have the faces of sex dolls! Naw, they are cybermen through and through.

But I love them with head swaps. To me they seem like Asguardians from Thor.

The only bummer is the neck of their breastplates stops the use of really awesome helmeted heads, like the MK3 space marine helmets.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Archaon is balanced on a tail scale and a chain the tip of a building.
Sigmarines
Fair enough if you like no choice do what we say.
100 models that ment something now you play only elites which just plain sucks.
Star gate
Whfb had balanced rules AoS had a rule update in 6 months also don't tart on the price being free it is a myth.
General hand book 40$ your army book 40$ then if you want to play more then the 4 units in the iron jaw book you need to buy the great alliance book 40$ so cheap.

I think that is actually rather sturdy and resilient, seeing as there's a guy in my LGS who has no issue transporting (and handles it like a mule) the critter. I may be wrong, though.
Bummer, faces are meh incarnate, nowhere hilarious enough for photoshop.
Or just do what you want. Don't let them stomp your right brotha!
It depends, goblin lists usually deploy astounding numbers, so do plenty of the old armies and a few of the new ones. Also elites vs masses is a debate for the ages, you'll get opinions on both sides of the spectrum and people in between (like me who will go and field between 130-ish to 20 models in a 2k pts game).
Death Gate.
WHFB rules were broken quite often. Otherwise every competitive list wouldn't have level 4 casters. Cavalry crushed everything on 7th (and don't get me started on DoC, please don't mention them) also...
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-orruk-brutes-es.pdf
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-ogor-ironguts-es.pdf
There, saved you eighty bucks.
GHB is 20 euros versus the 40-ish euros I had to pay for codex orks or codex eldar. I'm not saying it's free, I'm saying it's far cheaper when all the books you need to supplement (kay, you need them badly for pick-up, not gonna deny it but I've played fairly balanced games in open play) cost the same as one of the two/three books you needed to pay in order to play.

Basic rules and unit rules are for free and many armies stay competitive just using the material from GHB, even those with units belonging to post-GHB battletomes.

AoS is doing far better at our club than WFB ever managed. We played 6th and a bit of 7th, but it was really hard to get a game of 8th as it was awful.

AoS has a number of advantages as its tactically quite flexible, the warscrolls create a lot of depth through the essentially simple rules, and the armies look so much better when you don't have to rank them up. The background is really good, and allows you much more opportunity to create interesting army themes and stories than the old world did - and this is from a hardened wfrp fan who bought the original enemy within campaign the year it came out.

So my advice would be to try some generals handbook games. Some of the legacy armies points are a little askew, and they may take some time to be updated, but when they are, everything we have seen recently suggests it will be good. The Tzeentch book was just superb!

Did someone actually say WHFB was balanced..?

People have this strange habit of equating points to balance.

WHFB was most certainly never balanced. In the beginning of 6th edition it was actually very close to balanced but that was the only time I can recall it coming close.

I never played WHFB so didn't feel the sense of loss when the Old World went Boom. I started playing the game about 6 months ago and found the simple base rules a refreshing change from 40K. Building up my army to 2000 points and learning all the buffs and synergies was also great fun.

My only complaint is the lack of terrain rules. Rolling for each piece to see what it does and then promptly forgetting and ignoring it except for line of site bugs me.

I get what you mean about terrain. Extra range on hills and rivers causing worse battleshock tests would be nice additions that add to the immersion.

I was a big Wfb fan since 2008(games, models, books and rpg supplements. I had to have it!) and the Old World's passing just made shed a tear for my beloved Brets but shrug otherwise.

Not certain how every novel could spell out "we're all doomed!" and people could still believe that their army struggles meant something in the big picture in a permanent medieval stasis world. Even if the End Times never brought about the conclusion it still would've ended the same with every hero dying(or worse)and the world either ending or becoming a living hell.

But that's what I loved though and why I love that a new setting was made that gave a spark of actual hope even though it'll be forever be fought tooth and nail for.

But I love them with head swaps. To me they seem like Asguardians from Thor. 

Every headswap I've seen has looked quite epic.

I like giving some of them chaos helms to make them look like Legend of Zelda Darknuts.

A thought for those lamenting the death of the Old World: doesn't that put you in the same mindset as your army? Never quite able to return to the World that Was?

Orruks don't care! Old Fightin, New Fightin! There's just now new challenges in the new worlds with all the new gigantic beasties.

I realise that this applies more to a student from a country with a poor exchange rate.
I started wargaming in 2003 (historical), but only got into Warhammer when AoS became a thing because the barrier to entry seemed manageable. I have spent just as much as I would have on earlier editions, getting started was the daunting part.

whenever I bring up WHFB to my uncle I can see the pain in his eyes as he was a Bretonnia player. RIP Fantasy and Space France, you will be missed.

AoS is super fun though, you owe yourself to try out a game to get a feel though, words can only tell so much without showing examples.

RIP Fantasy and Space France

Space France

Where did your uncle quest for the Grail at?!

 DarkBlack wrote:
I realise that this applies more to a student from a country with a poor exchange rate.

Oh no, WHFB entry barrier was a thing if not THE thing.

You could scrape by using substandard minis (hello Mantic) or if you played Brets or Empire using Perry, Fireforge, etc. Later on you could have things like MOM's dwarves which are great and cheap.

However, we did great during 8th edition with our 750pt games, I think it was only some sort of mental block that prevented people from running smaller 8th edition events, and it's the same event that keeps pushing AoS events towards 2K and even 2,5K when it evidently works much better at lower mini counts.

As long as you make sure people follow the rules AoS is great.

Some common mistakes for people that makes the game not fun.
1. Shooting out of close combat thru a squad they are in combat with....you still need LoS for shooting, that unit in your face is going to stop you from shooting in most directions lol.
2. Thinking "rank and file" is dead, Melee weapons have range, "blobbed" units have a harder time of getting in melee range. Blocks help your longer ranged melee weapons have an advantage. ENFORCE this, if someone is on a larger base and behind another dude, chances are they are not in striking range lol.
3. Play more then just KILL THE OTHER GUY games, yeesh that's exactly how you get the "blob in the middle" games.

auticus wrote:That is very true. 8th edition was the edition of Death Starring which was a very dull game to a lot of people.

Then go back to 6th. I did, and I've never been happier.


That being said, if you play AOS and like it, then play it. If you are dictated by selection of opponents, shop around online. Don't ever feel compelled to follow along with something you aren't truly feeling.

I couldn't go back to 6th simply because I'd have no one to play against. Same as why I can't play Saga or Dragon Rampant or pretty much any fantasy game here.

You aren't looking hard enough. West Lafayette is far smaller than Louisville, and I already have 4 potential opponents just from going on classichammer.com and posting. Now, working 2nd shift means that I rarely get a game, but the potential is there. Hell, The Sage's Shoppe even said it'd let me host a retro night twice a month. Resources are there, you just have to look. Flyers and Facebook page posts also help.

I'm a part of all of the community fb sites for all of the groups in town. If I have to put in that much effort to get in a game, I'd rather not. Maybe ten years ago. Today its just vastly easier to play AOS because there are a good twenty five players or so that play in our events.

Saga has a tiny group that plays once a quarter. There are repeated efforts to play WHFB of any edition that are met with nothing.

If I have to put that much effort into getting one or two guys to consider playing, I'd prefer to either just go online and use Vassal or stick with what the player pool is playing. I spent too many years trying to get games in of other games and quite frankly I"m way too burnt out to spin my wheels on that again.

Let me caveat with I'm not a pick up gamer, am not interested in one offs, and am pretty much only interested in campaigns that span a length of time.

If I wanted one off games, I probably could find a guy or two to play once in a while a different edition.

Realistically, I don't think anyone can convince you to try something. If you've looked into it and think it looks interesting, then you already want to try it. If you've looked into it and don't like it at all, then nothing people will say will change your mind. If you're not sure, the only advice that I can give is to try it out - if you have the Fantasy models, walk into a store that people play AoS at and roll some dice. The worst that happens is you lose a few hours.

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Let me caveat with I'm not a pick up gamer, am not interested in one offs, and am pretty much only interested in campaigns that span a length of time.

Here is a question for you - do you have enough space at home to set up a couple of wallpaper pasting tables? If you can, find someone you like, and invite them round for games. Then you can play pretty much whatever you like...

I have a game room yeah. I host Blood Bowl and campaign days at my place.

Its like trying to get the RPG crowd here to play Hackmaster though when it comes to deviating from what's popular. People (understandably) don't want to invest money in rulebooks and what not for systems few else are playing.

As I noted above, if I was interested in just finding one-off games of 6th ed now and again I could probably find a guy or two in the entire city that would be open to that, but I'm more into campaigns and preferably campaigns that aren't just two or three of us which is why those other systems don't work for me (because its insanely difficult to promote and get others to play those)

Online is a different matter altogether since you can find a fairly large group of people globally.