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I've played enough 7th edition to know two things:
1) I can stomach it, and it can be fun with good opponents.
2) It's a poorly designed, bloated mess.

I will try 8th edition, because even a switch to an AOS style game would be an improvement for me. I have too much invested in 40k to completely walk away, but after two years of very little playing, and only sporadic play now, it won't take much for me to focus solely on painting, and play other games.

So, while I'll give it a go, and I am really hopeful, I'm okay looking mostly at other games if it doesn't work out.

If it becomes an AOS set in the future, aka 30 models on the field with a few of them that are huge, I'll stop playing.

 Blackie wrote:
If it becomes an AOS set in the future, aka 30 models on the field with a few of them that are huge, I'll stop playing.

30 Models? Bah, not even a proper Bonesplitterz army.

Though as for myself it depends on what disappoints me.

Hope people stop saying that 8th edition is coming until we have hard evidence in hand. The number of BS threads over in the News and Rumors section is staggering.

 jreilly89 wrote:
Hope people stop saying that 8th edition is coming until we have hard evidence in hand. The number of BS threads over in the News and Rumors section is staggering.

But people will always conjecture. Even before this particular rumour mill started gathering pace they were talking about 8th edition and what it could bring. I do however believe it's on the horizon though.

As long as they dont AoS the lore, ill adapt to the new rules.

 SolarCross wrote:

 Brutallica wrote:
I will die inside if they go the warscroll and fixed dice roll route... :(

Spoiler:

Is it so terrible? 40k basically has a fixed die roll for shooting to hit, leadership (most of the time) and armour save at present. It does save on chart look ups at least.

It its very terrible in my mind! And the reason is, loss of narrative. The guardsmen who killed nurgle terminator with 4's to hit and 6' to wound, will never happen. He will just be 4+ 4+ like eeeeveryone else against anyone else. And that kills the legendary tales and events that could potentially unfold. That just kills immersion so hard.

Its an easy system yes, but the price is all too high.

Switching to 30k is not that hard ; )

 Yarium wrote:
I am AMAZED by how many people here are saying they wouldn't play because they're currently not really playing. It's hilarious that some people have such strong opinions without actually giving things a proper chance.

You don't need to eat dog gak to know it won't taste nice.

Except for a few odd games, I sat out 7th edition until Traitor Legions arrived. Would have no problem doing that for 8th edition.

When AoS came on the scene, we had people playing old editions of WFB and using house rules. I imagine, if the rules leave something to be desired, something similar will happen for the first year or so.

But I can't see myself entirely walking away. Too many models.

My biggest concern with 8th now isn't even the rules. Its the potential of basically squatting current marine model line.

I have thousands in current plastic kits. I am NOT rebuying it all. If NU marine models and rules basically invalidate my collection I'm done.

I will have to wait for '40th Age' community rule set and hooe my local area has interest in it.

Same as I do now:

Buy stuff that seems interesting / is a cool model.

Play the occasional game - mostly with house rules to make it palatable.

Play other games with my 40k models - Dragon Rampant is quite fun with them - add a few more units such as Artillery, War Machines and its quite easy.

My main gaming group plays 3rd ed. 40k, with a mix of miniatures from rogue trader to brand new, so numarines (if they're real) or 8th ed being bad wouldn't be too much skin off our noses.

Having said that, it'd obviously be preferable that the new ruleset is good and enjoyable. Some players in the local GW almost seem to find playing 7th games upsetting and the amount of bookkeeping involved has led to one or two slips which in turn led to accusations of cheating. So something more streamlined would be preferable imho. It doesn't have to be quite as simple as AoS, but there's legislation less complicated than the current 40k ruleset, there has to be a happy middle-ground.

 Brutallica wrote:
It its very terrible in my mind! And the reason is, loss of narrative. The guardsmen who killed nurgle terminator with 4's to hit and 6' to wound, will never happen. He will just be 4+ 4+ like eeeeveryone else against anyone else. And that kills the legendary tales and events that could potentially unfold. That just kills immersion so hard.

Its an easy system yes, but the price is all too high.

I like a lot of things about AoS, but like you I would be concerned about the fixed to-hit rolls in close combat. The charts aren't really that hard to memorize.

I was just had a thought that they could give certain people a "Weapon Master" ability with a number that modified enemy to-hit rolls. So say an ork normally hits on a 4+ but he's swinging at a Space Marine captain who has "Weapon Master 1" on his data slate so instead the ork boy hits on a 5+. This would only start coming into play on models that are currently WS 5 or higher, so they wouldn't have to put it on most normal data slates.


There's a lot of things from AoS that would be cool, but I think the coolest would be adopting the model of War Scrolls/Battle Tomes/General's Handbook. Individual units each get a Warscroll (data slate) with their rules that is available as a free download. Formation rules, special wargear, psychic powers and warlord traits would be in the Battle Tomes (codexes). The basic rules and points values for everything would be in the General's Handbook (BRB). This would let Games Workshop frequently update rules and adjust points costs without radical, sweeping changes.


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 Blackie wrote:
If it becomes an AOS set in the future, aka 30 models on the field with a few of them that are huge, I'll stop playing.

People play a lot of 2000 point games here. If I remember the numbers right, you can have an army of 300 goblins and still have 500 points for heroes, some special units like cavalry and artillery and a battalion. In AoS a unit of 60 grots can actually put out a decent amount of firepower.

I'm putting together a highly elite Iron Warriors army. It's going to be spamming Obliterators and Havocs and maybe a couple Daemon Engines. Throw in a LoW, and I think it could end up being thirty models with a few of them that are huge.

The Iron Warriors army isn't going to be effective, I just think it would be fun and I like the idea of 10,000 year old veterans being really elite. The grot swarm might actually be effective, I'm not sure. In AoS since you don't have to worry about spacing as much it would probably be a lot easier to move 300 grots and it would be to move 300 Guardsmen in 40k without worrying about them getting wrecked by templates.

Depends on how much it disappoints me. If it turns into full on AoS, I'm done until an edition comes out that fixes it again. If it's only a mild disappointment I'll stick in it and deal with the changes.

If 8th drops and it misses a lot of the problems the game has now or makes similar mistakes I am going to go all in on writing my own rule set. It's already mostly done. I will steal whats good from 8th and adjust as needed with my own mechanics.

My hope is that GW embraces the competitive "e-sport" kind of culture in the game and builds 8th around that.

While I don't see myself playing in tournaments, it's good to have a healthy tournament meta as it trickles down to the other aspects of the game.

Personally I think 7th edition is fantastic so more of the same wouldn't really be a bother to me.

I love 40k and have supported it through this much, another edition isnt really going to change that.

@ OP: Option 2:
I have never played 7th and won´t touch 8th regardless of what GW comes up with. The inevitable new edition will just be enforced for the sake of change and nothing else. The rules won´t improve from a quality standpoint. They will just be different as in each edition before. And when they AoSify the rules...
Well, then 40K becomes a trainwreck like Fantasy.
Therefore I´ll stick with my favoured edition which is 2nd.

I'll just stick with AoS if they fail to improve, it's far better.

 Marmatag wrote:
My hope is that GW embraces the competitive "e-sport" kind of culture in the game and builds 8th around that.

They actually need a tight and well written set of rules to do that though, and their current track record is less than stellar.

Regardless of how much I might be aware of the Sunk Cost Fallacy, I suspect I'll still be its slave in the face of a disappointing 8th edition.

I may play less, or I may not play at all, but if I do play, I suspect the reality of available gaming groups will require I play 8th once it drops.

I'm actually moving away next year so if 8th bombs I might find some new hobbies (actually go outside!) but I definitely won't sell my models, just put them in storage. Of course, if there isn't much to do when I move, then 40k may call back to me as it has done before.

I voted other because I just don't know. I enjoy painting and building much more than playing ATM so that won't bother me.

I do still enjoy the game bloated mess as it may be. Unless you're trying to stay competitve cutting edge LVO it doesn't mater as much. I won't see a massive amount of the OP stuff without knowing about it in my local meta since not a lot of people play it that way.

The rules of 7th ed. 40K are pretty far down the list of reasons I play. If 8th is disappointing in that regard, I'll still play.

>95% of you will either play 8th or drop out, just like >95% od everyone else has done for past edition changes. Yes, there's a few people who still play oldhammer, but within 6 months or less, it's going to be nigh impossible to find a game of 7th, just like it was nigh impossible to find a game of 6th 3 months after 7th came out, the same way it was nigh impossible to find a game of 5th 3 months after 8th came out...

Even if you do play 7th, or 5th or 2nd or whatever the "best edition eva" was to you, nobody cares since everyone else will have moved on to 8th or left, so you are now effectively irrelevant to the wider community. Your tactics input is going to be out of date, your lists aren't going to be relevant and your meta knowledge is going to be non-existant. If you don't play 8th, you have basically quit 40k for all intents and purposes to anyone outside your group.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone should blindly play 8th and not have their little bitch session about what they don't like and how it could have/should have been better, but the vast majority of people who think they won't succumb to playing 8th even if they don't like it just because it's the only way you'll get a game are kidding themselves.

I don't know.

It mostly depends on just how far 8th edition falls short of my enjoyment. Warhammer 40K is hardly my primary miniatures game, and I don't take the game serious at all since the rules are so rubbish. They would have really crank up the unnecessary complication (which I highly doubt) or make infantry sub-par units and focus on the big units (which I also doubt).

So I would probably still play it unless I found group that plays much older editions (I have only played 7th but 3rd-5th +/- modifications sounds like more my speed) or just Kill Team. Even then it would hardly be a common occurrence. Maybe a game or three a year just as an excuse to put my models on the table every now and again.

I've got a 75% reworked 40k system rough drafted... if 8th bombs I'll probably flesh it out.

That said... I've gotten real interested in Warmachine these days.

I'm sticking no matter what, personally I love 40k too much.

And it can't possibly be worse than it is now. Like even if the rules start to look more like AoS I'm cool (I hear from the manager of my local GW that the 8th Ed rules will only be on like eight pages, so that may be likely)

 Fafnir wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:
If I don't like 8th than I'll play which ever version my opponent agrees to. Maybe 5th or even 2nd. 7th sucks hard. I've played fewer games this edition than anytime since I started back in 2nd. So it won't be my first choice unless we house rule the suck out of it.

A refined 5th edition would basically be the best thing that could come out of 40k at this point without a complete Sigmar-style reboot of its systems.

After 6th came out and now 7th for awhile, I HATE 5th ed. I would play 7th over 5th. It was such a stale game....

7th BRB rules are not bad, if you take out all the power creep the rules are so much more fun.


So the question is, do you guys hate the BRB rules for 7th, or all the formations/power creep that was added "After" 7th ed came out?

Also would you be fine with 7th is Formations were Apoc only?