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There's no such thing as a slow non-vehicle unit now that fulmination powers exist. If you add on the cost of adequate psychic support (librarius) he has roughly the cost, durability and melee output of other melee deathstars with the benefit of dishing out the buffs.

Also, is anyone planning on using him like a teleport homer for units that can deepstrike and charge? Although he doesn't mitigate scatter he does give out move through cover, and extend charge range, and give rerolls to hit, and debuff enemy leadership and so on.

Haha I actually already made that list. I'm going to get around to posting it eventually. I don't have all my RW painted yet and wanted to play him sooner rather than later.


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The Lion's Blade with Cad list I mean.

 Mr Morden wrote:
He could be quite effective with Sisters I think - Ld 10 is good for Acts of Faith and all the other benefits are useful.

Like Celestine he is pretty good at chopping stuff up

given he's a LOW not a HQ I could see a sisters army using both Gulliman AND Celestine to tank enermous amounts of damage

 rawne2510 wrote:
In 2-3 turns he can be sitting in his opponents deployment zone on one of their objectives. Are you going to stay near that Obj so he can charge you??

With regards to nova missions having him pushing towards an objective means you have to deal with him or lose points.

At the same time The gladius part of the army will be maneuvering around the table getting the points as required.

Yes but during those 3 turns while he is foot slogging, your opponent will be scoring the maelstrom pts too. And while RG is foot slogging up, your own deployment zone can be vulnerable. Those footslogging 350 points you invested, is 350 pts less in upgrades for a Gladius army or less units for whatever else army. So when RG is over half way across the board, your opponent decides to land Magnus or whatever FMCs (as an example) in your deployment zone, you gonna turn Magnus around to footslog back?

Take a Renegade artillery army for example: RG walks up turn 3, he is going to be blocked by multiple medium to large units of cheap zombies... its going to take him another 2 turns at least to cut through 1 unit of 25. He'll never get to the artillery, while the rest of your army is getting pounded every turn.

crouching lictor wrote:

 gummyofallbears wrote:
Wait, a 36" board control range?

It's just 19"

It's 19" in each direction from his position.

I'm looking forward to putting him on the table. I'm deploying him with a Gladius and a small CAD. I think he'll do fine controlling the center of the board and smart objective placement will help him out.

Ah I understand, my apologies. I am not used to measuring threat range in that way

 SonsofVulkan wrote:

 rawne2510 wrote:
In 2-3 turns he can be sitting in his opponents deployment zone on one of their objectives. Are you going to stay near that Obj so he can charge you??

With regards to nova missions having him pushing towards an objective means you have to deal with him or lose points.

At the same time The gladius part of the army will be maneuvering around the table getting the points as required.

Yes but during those 3 turns while he is foot slogging, your opponent will be scoring the maelstrom pts too. And while RG is foot slogging up, your own deployment zone can be vulnerable. Those footslogging 350 points you invested, is 350 pts less in upgrades for a Gladius army or less units for whatever else army. So when RG is over half way across the board, your opponent decides to land Magnus or whatever FMCs (as an example) in your deployment zone, you gonna turn Magnus around to footslog back?

Take a Renegade artillery army for example: RG walks up turn 3, he is going to be blocked by multiple medium to large units of cheap zombies... its going to take him another 2 turns at least to cut through 1 unit of 25. He'll never get to the artillery, while the rest of your army is getting pounded every turn.

you can't compare him to magnus because he's 300 or so points less then Magnus (for the price of magnus I can take Gulliman AND dragio, and have eneugh points left over to give a tac sergant Melta bombs)

or I could take 2 squads of sisters of silence and point at laugh as Magnus loses one of his big advantages

BrianDavion wrote:

 SonsofVulkan wrote:

 rawne2510 wrote:
In 2-3 turns he can be sitting in his opponents deployment zone on one of their objectives. Are you going to stay near that Obj so he can charge you??

With regards to nova missions having him pushing towards an objective means you have to deal with him or lose points.

At the same time The gladius part of the army will be maneuvering around the table getting the points as required.

Yes but during those 3 turns while he is foot slogging, your opponent will be scoring the maelstrom pts too. And while RG is foot slogging up, your own deployment zone can be vulnerable. Those footslogging 350 points you invested, is 350 pts less in upgrades for a Gladius army or less units for whatever else army. So when RG is over half way across the board, your opponent decides to land Magnus or whatever FMCs (as an example) in your deployment zone, you gonna turn Magnus around to footslog back?

Take a Renegade artillery army for example: RG walks up turn 3, he is going to be blocked by multiple medium to large units of cheap zombies... its going to take him another 2 turns at least to cut through 1 unit of 25. He'll never get to the artillery, while the rest of your army is getting pounded every turn.

you can't compare him to magnus because he's 300 or so points less then Magnus (for the price of magnus I can take Gulliman AND dragio, and have eneugh points left over to give a tac sergant Melta bombs)

or I could take 2 squads of sisters of silence and point at laugh as Magnus loses one of his big advantages

Well the thing is Magnus has time and time again proven that he can earn his 650pts back and has been very successful in competitive play.

The point I'm trying to make is that RG is just not flexible and quick enough to effectively cause significant amount of damage for a 350pt model and neither can he react quick enough against opposing fast threats. It doesn't have to be Magnus, it could be a LoC with impossible robe, a gating Seercouncil, or a turbo boosting Screamerstar. And RG can be easily blocked or tar pitted by a cheap unit or free summoned daemons.

A superfriend deathstar that is locked in combat with RG, can HitnRun 3D6 and then move 12" on their turn towards the rest of your army and RG will probably never catch them again.

Look I can't name a single footslogging MC that has is successful in competitive 7ed.

 SonsofVulkan wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 SonsofVulkan wrote:

 rawne2510 wrote:
In 2-3 turns he can be sitting in his opponents deployment zone on one of their objectives. Are you going to stay near that Obj so he can charge you??

With regards to nova missions having him pushing towards an objective means you have to deal with him or lose points.

At the same time The gladius part of the army will be maneuvering around the table getting the points as required.

Yes but during those 3 turns while he is foot slogging, your opponent will be scoring the maelstrom pts too. And while RG is foot slogging up, your own deployment zone can be vulnerable. Those footslogging 350 points you invested, is 350 pts less in upgrades for a Gladius army or less units for whatever else army. So when RG is over half way across the board, your opponent decides to land Magnus or whatever FMCs (as an example) in your deployment zone, you gonna turn Magnus around to footslog back?

Take a Renegade artillery army for example: RG walks up turn 3, he is going to be blocked by multiple medium to large units of cheap zombies... its going to take him another 2 turns at least to cut through 1 unit of 25. He'll never get to the artillery, while the rest of your army is getting pounded every turn.

you can't compare him to magnus because he's 300 or so points less then Magnus (for the price of magnus I can take Gulliman AND dragio, and have eneugh points left over to give a tac sergant Melta bombs)

or I could take 2 squads of sisters of silence and point at laugh as Magnus loses one of his big advantages

Well the thing is Magnus has time and time again proven that he can earn his 650pts back and has been very successful in competitive play.

The point I'm trying to make is that RG is just not flexible and quick enough to effectively cause significant amount of damage for a 350pt model and neither can he react quick enough against opposing fast threats. It doesn't have to be Magnus, it could be a LoC with impossible robe, a gating Seercouncil, or a turbo boosting Screamerstar. And RG can be easily blocked or tar pitted by a cheap unit or free summoned daemons.

A superfriend deathstar that is locked in combat with RG, can HitnRun 3D6 and then move 12" on their turn towards the rest of your army and RG will probably never catch them again.

Look I can't name a single footslogging MC that has is successful in competitive 7ed.

except you're looking at him purely as a footslogging melee MC. when you have to consider the army buffs he also gives. yeah he's gonna be useless on some maps and situations. but he's far from useless. he's situational. yeah if all you want is a uber powerful death star that single handedly wins the game for you keep looking.
and yeah you can run away from Gulliman, that just means you put him in place to supprot an advance.

BrianDavion wrote:
yeah if all you want is a uber powerful death star that single handedly wins the game for you keep looking.

(and if you are, you're also the reason the game is broke right now)

 Melissia wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
yeah if all you want is a uber powerful death star that single handedly wins the game for you keep looking.

(and if you are, you're also the reason the game is broke right now)

so true. people see something like a WK or the "Battle Company Gladius" (without the battle company bonus the Gladius is simply a fluffy, reasonably effective but throughly average alternative to a CAD) and immediatly use/abuse that, while dismissing any alternative thats not even more broke, as "worthless"

Gulliman is pretty much what he should be (I wish I could stick him in a land raider but at the same time feel given his size "MC" is legit for him.