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Was that the Time War they went to? Those were Movellans getting blown up by Daleks there.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Was that the Time War they went to? Those were Movellans getting blown up by Daleks there.

That is true it could have been the Dalek-Movellan War, which it probably was. I don't recall them mentioning it was the time war... but I'll have to go back and re-watch the episode again. Either way that is still far in the future of Earth's timeline, not technically the past from when they left.

IIRC, they went from the basement to the Dorctor's office to ... didn't he say something like "the end of the universe"? and then to the Movellan-Dalek War. So the future from Bill's point of view, but the past compared to where they'd been immediately before.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
IIRC, they went from the basement to the Dorctor's office to ... didn't he say something like "the end of the universe"? and then to the Movellan-Dalek War. So the future from Bill's point of view, but the past compared to where they'd been immediately before.

I see what you are saying. That is one way to look at it but this is where time is timey-wimey. Remember David Tennant established that time isn't a non-linear, non-subjective viewport, it is a big ball of wibbly-wobbly. It is how they demonstrate that "something in the past" sometimes doesn't directly relate to changing something in the future. Where we look at it from a linear point, so we see it for example as 2017 -> 60,000 -> 30,000. The Tardis however changes how they effect in their bubble so they don't directly get effect by the effects where they have hinted through various episodes. Technically from our point that would create a Paradox, until they established by and large they tend to sort themselves out and they don't create paradoxes like we normally think.

I guess I could see how it could be theorized that it is time travel. Although they didn't really hint at that or imply it so it is hard to say. From the perspective of the 'ship', I still hold the viewpoint it waited. Then traveled once they appeared to the end of the world. When they went back in time from that point, the ship just traveled to them (thus the other thing technically was undone and didn't happen). Since it was in the past it just didn't happen.

It can also be said that the "end of the universe" isn't the end of time but represents a distance.

The only time they treated time in a linear fashion was when the doctor was trapped in the Pandorica. When they did the comedic (which I hated) routine of turning the episode into Bill and Teds, he popped back and forth to the past as he remembered to do things, so his future would have the necessary things... like a fez.

Another cracking episode tonight. Again, a very 'traditional' feel to it. These simpler stories are really working well so far.

And I guess we know what's in the vault now...

I am enjoying this series a lot. I know what you mean about the 'traditional' feel.

Indeed.



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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I think my main issue with this was just the massive oversight of

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the initial landing party. Like, they didn't consider the effects of death? They didn't allow for some "master reprogramming switch" in case the robots got out of hand? I think they really didn't consider the laws of robotics when they made them.

Not really an oversight. I mean do you worry about the TV or Toaster being effected by your absence? They are machines, they are tools, why would someone think that would change when it isn't in the programming.

Normally, I wouldn't build my toaster or TV to recognise and combat my grief.
I'd certainly want to programme the Laws of Robotics when dealing with them, so they at least don't kill anyone.

reds8n wrote: Indeed.



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..so do you think the female master will release the Sims Master then ?

Almost certainly, IMO.

Yeah, but outside of Aliens (Bishop has some of them encoded) or Data (ST:TNG), pretty much no-one in SF uses Asimov's laws (so they aren't even at the status of "guidelines" anymore).

Quite enjoyed Thin Ice.

Acting and pacing was good, and the story made a kind of sense - though one does wonder if the thing's product will be rounded up in later story?

More proof of Peter Capaldi's acting ability. He didn't get upstaged by children and animals.

True that.

Though this week, he's up against Poirot. Really, really looking forward to this one. Hints of classic Who to boot!

Also, anyone else ever watched The Sarah Jane Adventures?

I caught a couple of episodes.

Too many precocious brats for my liking.

It's worth sticking with - especially if you've got sprogs all your own.

The production values were pretty good, and for child actors, it was actually really quite tolerable.

We got the SJA boxset a while ago. We try to rewatch the new-Who series when a new doctor starts, with Torchwood and now this.
We're into the first few of series 2, and haven't ditched it yet. Some get a bit cringy at times, but there's a lot of that about these days.
This is just me and the wife.

If anyone's not seen it, the newest spin-off, Class, is well worth a look (I think it's all still on Iplayer). Definitely more on the Torchwood side of things rather than SJO, never quite as dark but I reckon a lot better for it. It's barely got any connection to the Whoniverse bar Capaldi's amazing cameo scene in the first episode, but it's still a cracking series.

Slightly disappointed by last night's episode. It felt rushed and lightweight. I would have liked it to be built up into a two-part story with more character development, gradually creeping horror, etc.

I enjoyed it, though I do feel the pacing was a bit off- the kids got killed off too quickly for the spookiness to really ramp up and the big reveal finale, while very good, felt a little dragged out. I also have to wonder why



Next week's looks cracking though. Can't usually go wrong with the Space Base Under Siege type episodes.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

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The logic as I saw it is that by consuming the life force of the victims, they are able to sustain themselves and the wood lady for 20 years, during which time the life force must get used up. Thus while the previous victims might exist as memories, they cannot be reconstituted into full life.

Or something.

That was my assumption.

Absolute stunner of an episode tonight. Fantastic script, wonderful performances all round, great concepts and a great ending. Pretty much an instant classic.

I think tonights was my favourite of the series so far. Fantastic plot, acting and surprises all made it pretty much perfect (not that I didn't like the other episodes, they were still great)

Thr new season seems to be a solid one.

I hope they keep the quality up. Some have carries but this one. Seems a good un..

Agreed, a top episode, although frankly I'm surprised it got past the BBC high heid'yins; the Doctor was practically reading aloud from Das Kapital at several points, I thought he was going to start belting out a rendition of The Red Flag there in the reactor room, was brilliant

I get the feeling the writer was kind of a Trekkie, given the opening line and the whole thing of a space-faring humanity throwing off capitalism and all that. But it definitely added something sinister to the episode, beyond just 'it's a malfunction with the suits' or 'someone hacked them'.

Much like Thin Ice, I like the fact that the real 'monster' wasn't some alien mastermind or evil genius, just a human looking to make a quick buck. Half the time in Old Who there'd be a human bad guy siding with the monsters for his own selfish ends and they were always the best kind of villain, so it's nice to see that back.

Really enjoying this season.

Bill and The Doctor work really nicely together, and Nardole is (perhaps surprisingly) a genuinely likeable character.

Seems we get to see what's in the box this week, which is also pleasing.

Loved every episode so far.

Another cracker of an episode.

Really clever exposition piece for what's to come, and original for the series, if not wider sci-fi.

Yep, another great one. As soon as the 'twist' became apparent I started waiting for a ludicrous 'Moffat Moment' that would bring the whole thing crashing down, but there wasn't one! Damn good episode and a great setup for what's coming next.

Yeah, it was alright, well acted and all that.

However... I mean, c'mon, it was basically identical to your standard Star Trek: The Next Generation, Deep Space 9, Voyager or Stargate SG-1 episode.