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 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Magnus and his Sons - Good guys might be stretching things but their story is about as close as you get to "honest" revenge in the 40k universe.


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 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
Well, If you count heresy-era traitors as CSM, then quite a lot are "good guys". Most of the traitors, discounting the EC and Word Bearers, are just doing it because they're loyal to their primarch. Afterwards they became "evil" because of their hate. Two big exceptions are the Iron Warriors, who are *mostly* just traitor marines and not chaos space marines, and the Thousand Sons, who are chaos marines but still see themselves as loyal.

I don't think the Sons do see themselves as loyal to the IoM, they just don't see themselves as Oathbreakers. One of Magnus' desires is to see the IoM turn against the Space Wolves the way it did against his Legion.

Ahriman actually flat out states that the purpose of the rubric is so they can show themselves to the emperor again without being purged. The Sons want nothing more than to return to their former place as warrior scholars, defending the Imperium.

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Magnus and his Sons - Good guys might be stretching things but their story is about as close as you get to "honest" revenge in the 40k universe.


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 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
Well, If you count heresy-era traitors as CSM, then quite a lot are "good guys". Most of the traitors, discounting the EC and Word Bearers, are just doing it because they're loyal to their primarch. Afterwards they became "evil" because of their hate. Two big exceptions are the Iron Warriors, who are *mostly* just traitor marines and not chaos space marines, and the Thousand Sons, who are chaos marines but still see themselves as loyal.

I don't think the Sons do see themselves as loyal to the IoM, they just don't see themselves as Oathbreakers. One of Magnus' desires is to see the IoM turn against the Space Wolves the way it did against his Legion.

Ahriman actually flat out states that the purpose of the rubric is so they can show themselves to the emperor again without being purged. The Sons want nothing more than to return to their former place as warrior scholars, defending the Imperium.

Considering he's still officially kicked out of the Thousand Sons what Ahriman thinks, says or does hardly matters.
The Thousand Sons and their Primarch recently attacked and helped destroy Cadia - their grudge with the Space Wolves is one thing, everyone in the IoM has legitimate reason to hate the Wolves on some level - destroying Cadia was not the action of an Army that still considers themselves loyal to the IoM.