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Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
A big part about Tyranids is that they are not like anyone else. They have no goals, no ambition, no desire beyond survival of the whole. They are less like soldiers of an army, and more like antibodies in an organism. And I don't know about you, but my white blood cells don't worship anything - they exist in pure biological function - not out of service to a deity.

If they serve a God, they can be understood and nearly humanised. If they exist purely as antibodies, then they are distinctly alien and isolated. They can't be manipulated with worship, power, etc etc - they can only feed the Hive.

Every other race is defined by their worship or veneration - the Imperium to the God Emperor, Chaos to the Chaos Pantheon, Orks to Gork and Mork, Eldar (and to some extent, Dark Eldar) to their pantheon, Tau to the Greater Good and the AdMech to the Omnissiah. Only the Necrons come close, and that's from technological means, not to mention they did once worship/work for the C'Tan.

Only Tyranids would differ, and instead of homogenising them into the massive holy war that's going on now, a secular, uncaring force composed of mindless biological autonomy is a heck of a breath of fresh air. After all, it would be like rationalising a locust swarm not devouring crops to eat, but to spread the power of their Locust god in the real world.

I disagree that they would be humanised. We shouldn't think in such narrow terms.

Alien creatures with an alien god and an alien relationship with their god. Their relationship might be very different from a human relationship. They could have a god without being holier-than-thou like the other races.

So, hypothetical question - do you think that would add anything to 40k? An alien race having an alien god? Something unique and important?

And I kinda like the idea of a locust swarm having such of god.

Why? They're locusts - Hive animals. Not sentient, not sapient even. Just hungry. How does a god receive worship from non-sentient beings?

What about the blood cells in your body? Do you believe that your cells having a god is good?

Think about it, all the Gods are so humanoid.

Tzeentch disagrees. Tzeentch is every form, and not exclusively humanoid.

The Emprah and the Eldar and Ork gods no doubt. The Tau de-facto worship their Ethereals. The Star God C'tan still look humanoid. Khorne sits on a throne (which means he has an ass), Slaanesh is a pretty prince in a palace, Nurgle's a fatfuck. Tzeentch is more interesting though.

But these all come from humanoid races. Of course their god will look like them, or in many cases, they are the manifestations of the god - of course they'd look similar.

However, what is to say that those are they actual appearances of them? I mean, surely they could take any form? They're gods, they can occupy whichever form they choose. The ones we see might only be approximations for artistic purposes, in universe or out.

For an alternate view, take the Nephilim. An alien race, with an alien biology, already with alien gods. The Tyranids wouldn't be unique in that at all.

Ok, I don't meant that Khorne literally must have an ass.


But, don't you think it'd be cool to have an utterly alien god, one which might not even look like a giant Tyranid. Something described as so mind blowingly alien like a Lovecraftian being.

lonestarr777, I think that's something you'd like.

Except we already HAVE lovecraftian beings in 40k.
That's called the Chaos Gods.

Jacksmiles wrote:
Maybe their god is so alien it's not even a god as you'd think of it.

Honestly them having a god coming to war with other gods is really really boring and an overdone concept to me.

What's more interesting in 40K?

Maximus Bitch wrote:

Jacksmiles wrote:
Maybe their god is so alien it's not even a god as you'd think of it.

Honestly them having a god coming to war with other gods is really really boring and an overdone concept to me.

What's more interesting in 40K?

Tyranids remaining as they are is solidly MUCH more interesting.

Jacksmiles wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

Jacksmiles wrote:
Maybe their god is so alien it's not even a god as you'd think of it.

Honestly them having a god coming to war with other gods is really really boring and an overdone concept to me.

What's more interesting in 40K?

Tyranids remaining as they are is solidly MUCH more interesting.

Seconded.

We don't need another "ooooh it's a spooky god".

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
A big part about Tyranids is that they are not like anyone else. They have no goals, no ambition, no desire beyond survival of the whole. They are less like soldiers of an army, and more like antibodies in an organism. And I don't know about you, but my white blood cells don't worship anything - they exist in pure biological function - not out of service to a deity.

If they serve a God, they can be understood and nearly humanised. If they exist purely as antibodies, then they are distinctly alien and isolated. They can't be manipulated with worship, power, etc etc - they can only feed the Hive.

Every other race is defined by their worship or veneration - the Imperium to the God Emperor, Chaos to the Chaos Pantheon, Orks to Gork and Mork, Eldar (and to some extent, Dark Eldar) to their pantheon, Tau to the Greater Good and the AdMech to the Omnissiah. Only the Necrons come close, and that's from technological means, not to mention they did once worship/work for the C'Tan.

Only Tyranids would differ, and instead of homogenising them into the massive holy war that's going on now, a secular, uncaring force composed of mindless biological autonomy is a heck of a breath of fresh air. After all, it would be like rationalising a locust swarm not devouring crops to eat, but to spread the power of their Locust god in the real world.

I disagree that they would be humanised. We shouldn't think in such narrow terms.

Alien creatures with an alien god and an alien relationship with their god. Their relationship might be very different from a human relationship. They could have a god without being holier-than-thou like the other races.

So, hypothetical question - do you think that would add anything to 40k? An alien race having an alien god? Something unique and important?

And I kinda like the idea of a locust swarm having such of god.

Why? They're locusts - Hive animals. Not sentient, not sapient even. Just hungry. How does a god receive worship from non-sentient beings?

What about the blood cells in your body? Do you believe that your cells having a god is good?

Think about it, all the Gods are so humanoid.

Tzeentch disagrees. Tzeentch is every form, and not exclusively humanoid.

The Emprah and the Eldar and Ork gods no doubt. The Tau de-facto worship their Ethereals. The Star God C'tan still look humanoid. Khorne sits on a throne (which means he has an ass), Slaanesh is a pretty prince in a palace, Nurgle's a fatfuck. Tzeentch is more interesting though.

But these all come from humanoid races. Of course their god will look like them, or in many cases, they are the manifestations of the god - of course they'd look similar.

However, what is to say that those are they actual appearances of them? I mean, surely they could take any form? They're gods, they can occupy whichever form they choose. The ones we see might only be approximations for artistic purposes, in universe or out.

For an alternate view, take the Nephilim. An alien race, with an alien biology, already with alien gods. The Tyranids wouldn't be unique in that at all.

Ok, I don't meant that Khorne literally must have an ass.


But, don't you think it'd be cool to have an utterly alien god, one which might not even look like a giant Tyranid. Something described as so mind blowingly alien like a Lovecraftian being.

lonestarr777, I think that's something you'd like.

Except we already HAVE lovecraftian beings in 40k.
That's called the Chaos Gods.

Ok, please read carefully and don't miss out stuff.

Yeah! I'd like an alien Lovecraftian god with a swarm of things that are far removed from human experience.

Not a talking penis like Gravemind or a talking butthole like Overmind of course.


Sentience, sapience? Look at all the smart Nids. Genestealers, Lictors, Zoanthropes, Norn Queens, Swarmlord. Let's forget about this for the time being.

As for worship? As I said, aliens do it in an alien way. And what do you mean by "good"?


Brooo, I did single out Tzeentch. That's why I said you need to read carefully.


Yes, I'm aware that there are many humanoid races and that gods can take other forms. Still, its the depiction that we're debating.


Which Nephilim? The Melchior Nephilim?

Chaos Gods aren't super-Lovecraftian. After all, they're so based on our human emotions.


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 curran12 wrote:

Jacksmiles wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

Jacksmiles wrote:
Maybe their god is so alien it's not even a god as you'd think of it.

Honestly them having a god coming to war with other gods is really really boring and an overdone concept to me.

What's more interesting in 40K?

Tyranids remaining as they are is solidly MUCH more interesting.

Seconded.

We don't need another "ooooh it's a spooky god".

Well, that depends on exactly which aspect your're thinking of.


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Jacksmiles wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

Jacksmiles wrote:
Maybe their god is so alien it's not even a god as you'd think of it.

Honestly them having a god coming to war with other gods is really really boring and an overdone concept to me.

What's more interesting in 40K?

Tyranids remaining as they are is solidly MUCH more interesting.

Maybe you could attack my 2nd reply to lonestar and my reply to Smudge right after that one.

I pretty much agree with them.

Jacksmiles wrote:
I pretty much agree with them.

I know you do, I'm just wondering what you think of my replies to them.

You're wildly inconsistent in some areas of your previous post.

You want " an alien Lovecraftian god with a swarm of things that are far removed from human experience" but at the same time, you are dead set on giving them a god an act that, no matter how you spin or slice it, humanizes them and gives a common piece of ground between humanity and the Tyranids. Likewise, by making a Warp entity, it is grounded in emotion, things that we also share, further removing them from their state of unknowable force.

In a Warp deity way, you're trying to have your cake and eat it too.

 curran12 wrote:
You're wildly inconsistent in some areas of your previous post.

You want " an alien Lovecraftian god with a swarm of things that are far removed from human experience" but at the same time, you are dead set on giving them a god an act that, no matter how you spin or slice it, humanizes them and gives a common piece of ground between humanity and the Tyranids. Likewise, by making a Warp entity, it is grounded in emotion, things that we also share, further removing them from their state of unknowable force.

In a Warp deity way, you're trying to have your cake and eat it too.

Well, I don't think the existence of a Lovecraftian thing will inevitably contradict its own existence.

As for being grounded in emotion, note that I specified how the Tyranids don't feed the Big 4, making them very different from the emotions the Big 4 represent.


If the Nids fell under the framework of the Big 4 then that would really contradict the purpose of having an opposing Nid God in the first place. That's something I would like GW to avoid as well.

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
A big part about Tyranids is that they are not like anyone else. They have no goals, no ambition, no desire beyond survival of the whole. They are less like soldiers of an army, and more like antibodies in an organism. And I don't know about you, but my white blood cells don't worship anything - they exist in pure biological function - not out of service to a deity.

If they serve a God, they can be understood and nearly humanised. If they exist purely as antibodies, then they are distinctly alien and isolated. They can't be manipulated with worship, power, etc etc - they can only feed the Hive.

Every other race is defined by their worship or veneration - the Imperium to the God Emperor, Chaos to the Chaos Pantheon, Orks to Gork and Mork, Eldar (and to some extent, Dark Eldar) to their pantheon, Tau to the Greater Good and the AdMech to the Omnissiah. Only the Necrons come close, and that's from technological means, not to mention they did once worship/work for the C'Tan.

Only Tyranids would differ, and instead of homogenising them into the massive holy war that's going on now, a secular, uncaring force composed of mindless biological autonomy is a heck of a breath of fresh air. After all, it would be like rationalising a locust swarm not devouring crops to eat, but to spread the power of their Locust god in the real world.

I disagree that they would be humanised. We shouldn't think in such narrow terms.

Alien creatures with an alien god and an alien relationship with their god. Their relationship might be very different from a human relationship. They could have a god without being holier-than-thou like the other races.

So, hypothetical question - do you think that would add anything to 40k? An alien race having an alien god? Something unique and important?

And I kinda like the idea of a locust swarm having such of god.

Why? They're locusts - Hive animals. Not sentient, not sapient even. Just hungry. How does a god receive worship from non-sentient beings?

What about the blood cells in your body? Do you believe that your cells having a god is good?

Think about it, all the Gods are so humanoid.

Tzeentch disagrees. Tzeentch is every form, and not exclusively humanoid.

The Emprah and the Eldar and Ork gods no doubt. The Tau de-facto worship their Ethereals. The Star God C'tan still look humanoid. Khorne sits on a throne (which means he has an ass), Slaanesh is a pretty prince in a palace, Nurgle's a fatfuck. Tzeentch is more interesting though.

But these all come from humanoid races. Of course their god will look like them, or in many cases, they are the manifestations of the god - of course they'd look similar.

However, what is to say that those are they actual appearances of them? I mean, surely they could take any form? They're gods, they can occupy whichever form they choose. The ones we see might only be approximations for artistic purposes, in universe or out.

For an alternate view, take the Nephilim. An alien race, with an alien biology, already with alien gods. The Tyranids wouldn't be unique in that at all.

Ok, I don't meant that Khorne literally must have an ass.


But, don't you think it'd be cool to have an utterly alien god, one which might not even look like a giant Tyranid. Something described as so mind blowingly alien like a Lovecraftian being.

lonestarr777, I think that's something you'd like.

Except we already HAVE lovecraftian beings in 40k.
That's called the Chaos Gods.

Ok, please read carefully and don't miss out stuff.

Yeah! I'd like an alien Lovecraftian god with a swarm of things that are far removed from human experience.

Not a talking butthole like Gravemind and Overmind of course.

Well, you have some! Or, should i say, six! (or sometimes 7)

Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Malal, Gork and Mork. The former are all classed as "Lovecraftian", and were worshipped by aliens before humans were. Neither expressed human emotion - only aspects of it (and we can easily then call hunger a human emotion by that regard, as humans feel hunger).

Sentience, sapience? Look at all the smart Nids. Genestealers, Lictors, Zoanthropes, Norn Queens, Swarmlord. Let's forget about this for the time being.

Intelligence is not sentience and sapience. Look at monkeys and dolphins here - we can call them intelligent, but they are not sentient or sapient. Genestealers, and by extension, Genestealer cults, yes - but they are not part of the actual swarm of Tyranids, and worship the Great Devourer - the Tyranid race as a collective consuming whole. Not a god.

As for worship? As I said, aliens do it in an alien way.

There's a difference between alien worship and lack of sentience. Alien worship is fine, and already present. We already have aliens worshipping alien gods. Gork and Mork, the Nephilim, the Kroot, the Eldar.
Non-sentient worship makes no sense, unless you believe that a dog can have a religious faith in our world.

And what do you mean by "good"?

You say that Tyranids having a god would be a good thing. Does that view extend to your white blood cells?

Brooo, I did single out Tzeentch. That's why I said you need to read carefully.

You made a blanket statement, then added in a clause at the end. I think my statement is still valid, no? I read carefully. I simply address chronologically.

Yes, I'm aware that there are many humanoid races and that gods can take other forms. Still, its the depiction that we're debating.

Is it? I'm debating whether Tyranids even need a god.

Which Nephilim? The Melchior Nephilim?

Yes.

Chaos Gods aren't super-Lovecraftian. After all, they're so based on our human emotions.

A single aspect of them. They are the embodiment of a single pure emotion, which no human can emulate. They are impossible to truly understand, which is why the Emperor could not defeat them or overpower them.

And, by that regard, I can feel hungry. If I feel hungry, then doesn't that mean the Tyranid god, one of hunger and assimilation, isn't Lovecraftian, because I can feel hunger?


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Maximus Bitch wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
You're wildly inconsistent in some areas of your previous post.

You want " an alien Lovecraftian god with a swarm of things that are far removed from human experience" but at the same time, you are dead set on giving them a god an act that, no matter how you spin or slice it, humanizes them and gives a common piece of ground between humanity and the Tyranids. Likewise, by making a Warp entity, it is grounded in emotion, things that we also share, further removing them from their state of unknowable force.

In a Warp deity way, you're trying to have your cake and eat it too.

Well, I don't think the existence of a Lovecraftian thing will inevitably contradict its own existence.

As for being grounded in emotion, note that I specified how the Tyranids don't feed the Big 4, making them very different from the emotions the Big 4 represent.


If the Nids fell under the framework of the Big 4 then that would really contradict the purpose of having an opposing Nid God. That's something I would like GW to avoid as well.

Tyranids already don't empower the Big Four because they're not sentient or sapient. Otherwise, simple predator-prey ecosystems across the galaxy would empower them. If that were the case, then the Chaos gods cannot be defeated, unless by the Necrons, who are the only other race that canonically don't empower Chaos, wiping out every other form of life in the galaxy/universe.

@ Sgt Smudge

Gork & Mork Lovecraftian?


Well, since we're talking about depiction, they are depicted in pretty familiar terms a lot of the time. Not super-Lovecraftian, as I've said.


What's your definition of sentience?


Exactly! So alien that it doesn't make sense. That's what you want right?


Good for the story? Yeah. Good for my body? IDK.


Chronologically? I think you should finish reading and then reply. Or edit it if you see something new later.


Yeah, isn't the depiction part of our debate?


I don't think that the Melchior Nephilim take the place of what I'm describing.


i didn't say it was Lovecraftian because Nids feel hunger.

Tyranids already don't empower the Big Four because they're not sentient or sapient. Otherwise, simple predator-prey ecosystems across the galaxy would empower them.

What about the Genestealers?

Can you elaborate on the ecosystems? I don't quite get it.

Tyranids do not empower the Big 4, but they could empower something else.


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Nids vs Chaos in the Fall of Shadowbrink

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fall_of_Shadowbrink


I like how the authors think that 2 Dreadknights is a big deal.


Most important quote:

No blood was being spilled for Khorne, just putrid alien ichor.

Maximus Bitch wrote:
@ Sgt Smudge

Gork & Mork Lovecraftian?

I did say "The former are all classed as Lovecraftian", referring to the Chaos Pantheon, however, in some respect, as alien gods and minds, I can see how Gork and Mork could be lovecraftian - irrevocably alien, unfazed by mortal concerns of reality, uncaring humour in violence, etc etc.

Well, since we're talking about depiction, they are depicted in pretty familiar terms a lot of the time. Not super-Lovecraftian, as I've said.

But wouldn't a Lovecraftian depiction in universe actually destroy people's sanity? Not good to have an image of your god which you can't actually visualise. For propaganda purposes, the followers of that god might well have created depictions of their gods in anthropomorphised manners.

If we're talking IRL, there would be simply no way to even depict a Lovecraftian entity properly, due to the habit of one's mind simply failing to register the being you witness.

What's your definition of sentience?

For an entity to view something subjectively, and to have wisdom or judgement. Tyranids have about as much as this as a swarm of locusts do. Do you deem locusts as sentient and sapient?

Exactly! So alien that it doesn't make sense. That's what you want right?

And I'm saying the Tyranids have no need for it, because it already exists in the form of the above mentioned races.
Tyranids would require sentience if they even wish to worship. That's the prerequisite for worship. It's like saying "I want an alien gun, so it work as one without even being a weapon", when being a weapon is what is required to class something as a gun in the first place.

Good for the story? Yeah. Good for my body? IDK.

I disagree that it would be good. It anthropomorphises them, which we have no need of. It adds nothing already present, other than adding ANOTHER god to the already diverse pantheon. In fact, it would remove diversity, as then there is no purely non-sentient/sapient playable race.

Chronologically? I think you should finish reading and then reply. Or edit it if you see something new later.

That's up to personal taste. I address what I refer to as I see it, and I don't think that's a real problem. Different strokes for different folks.

Yeah, isn't the depiction part of our debate?

Not for me. I don't care what depiction a Tyranid god takes, because I simply don't believe it should exist. Depiction doesn't matter for a non-existent entity.
If I did support the existence of a Tyranid god, then yes, we would be debating the depiction of said god, but that's not the case here.

I don't think that the Melchior Nephilim take the place of what I'm describing.

It outright describes them as having a religion which is not affiliated with the other ones depicted, and that they enslave humans to build the shrines for them.
In what way are they not an alien race with an alien god?

i didn't say it was Lovecraftian because Nids feel hunger.

No, being Lovecraftian doesn't require hunger. It requires a pure inability to comprehend and understand - like the Chaos Gods we have. However, your response is that "I feel rage, and Khorne embodies that, therefore, I understand Khorne". If that's the case, then if I feel hunger, I can understand the Tyranid god.
I support that the Chaos Gods are Lovecraftian, because it is impossible to understand their true nature.


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Maximus Bitch wrote:

Tyranids already don't empower the Big Four because they're not sentient or sapient. Otherwise, simple predator-prey ecosystems across the galaxy would empower them.

What about the Genestealers?

They are sentient. I said as much. They are an exception, which I already addressed. Just because Genestealers are doesn't mean all Tyranids are.

Can you elaborate on the ecosystems? I don't quite get it.

I refer to normal ecosystems we see on Earth. Bird eats aphid, snake eats bird, snake is eaten by monkey, monkey is killed by crocodile, croc is eaten by lion, lion catches infection and dies. The simple killing, change of matter through the system and plague and disease, is that not what three of the Chaos gods are bound by? If Tyranids empowered the Chaos Gods, then this simple act would too, and therefore the only way to kill Chaos is to kill life entirely.

Tyranids do not empower the Big 4, but they could empower something else.

Or, not. Due to lack of sentience.

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Nids vs Chaos in the Fall of Shadowbrink

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fall_of_Shadowbrink


I like how the authors think that 2 Dreadknights is a big deal.

In fluff, they most likely are. Considering that a handful of Space Marines are enough to turn the tides of many wars, it stands to reason that Dreadknights would be massively impressive - unfortunately, that just emphasises the strength of the TYranids on Shadowbrink.

Most important quote:

No blood was being spilled for Khorne, just putrid alien ichor.

Yet Tyranids do have what is similar to blood- their ichor. They do have their own biological plagues. And they certainly change and adapt. So why don't the gods get empowered by that? Unless, it is because that those acts, when performed by non-sentient life, are deemed moot?
I mean, can you see Khorne being impressed by one of his followers for killing all the cows in a field, just because they have blood?

I think you need to take a step back and look at the fact you are the only one in this thread insisting this is a good idea.

I am not completely without sympathy, I know it sucks to be excited about an idea and then have everyone dogpile you with disaproval. This reminds me of something I barfed on the page when I was 16, the cringe years.

I think something that's eluding you is the allure of mystery. Lovecraft is great example, yes I am a fan of his works, but only on the surface. If you begin delving into the answers it instantly loses that shine. The unknown becomes known.

Here, an example. Which of these bits of conversation is scarier.

"Why are they here?!?" "Maybe they were drawn to the astropath, look I dunno just refuel the flamer before they break in!"

"Why are they here!?!" "Oh the hive mind is committng jihad on the gods of chaos."

Now thats a bit extreme but its done for humor. Obviously anyone in setting wouldn't know but we the readers do, and we the readers can say that to ourselves as our protagonists lament their fate. The same way we think about the big 4, even when very few people and races in 40k truly know them.

Genestealer cults do venerate the swarms as gods. But they don't know or understand them in any meaningful way. When a hive arrives often the joy of star saviours arrival turns into outright horror as they too are slaughtered. Even the cults of the genestealer cannot know them beyond the surface.

And neither should we. Mystery loses magic when you know the answer.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:
@ Sgt Smudge

Gork & Mork Lovecraftian?

I did say "The former are all classed as Lovecraftian", referring to the Chaos Pantheon, however, in some respect, as alien gods and minds, I can see how Gork and Mork could be lovecraftian - irrevocably alien, unfazed by mortal concerns of reality, uncaring humour in violence, etc etc.

Well, since we're talking about depiction, they are depicted in pretty familiar terms a lot of the time. Not super-Lovecraftian, as I've said.

But wouldn't a Lovecraftian depiction in universe actually destroy people's sanity? Not good to have an image of your god which you can't actually visualise. For propaganda purposes, the followers of that god might well have created depictions of their gods in anthropomorphised manners.

If we're talking IRL, there would be simply no way to even depict a Lovecraftian entity properly, due to the habit of one's mind simply failing to register the being you witness.

What's your definition of sentience?

For an entity to view something subjectively, and to have wisdom or judgement. Tyranids have about as much as this as a swarm of locusts do. Do you deem locusts as sentient and sapient?

Exactly! So alien that it doesn't make sense. That's what you want right?

And I'm saying the Tyranids have no need for it, because it already exists in the form of the above mentioned races.
Tyranids would require sentience if they even wish to worship. That's the prerequisite for worship. It's like saying "I want an alien gun, so it work as one without even being a weapon", when being a weapon is what is required to class something as a gun in the first place.

Good for the story? Yeah. Good for my body? IDK.

I disagree that it would be good. It anthropomorphises them, which we have no need of. It adds nothing already present, other than adding ANOTHER god to the already diverse pantheon. In fact, it would remove diversity, as then there is no purely non-sentient/sapient playable race.

Chronologically? I think you should finish reading and then reply. Or edit it if you see something new later.

That's up to personal taste. I address what I refer to as I see it, and I don't think that's a real problem. Different strokes for different folks.

Yeah, isn't the depiction part of our debate?

Not for me. I don't care what depiction a Tyranid god takes, because I simply don't believe it should exist. Depiction doesn't matter for a non-existent entity.
If I did support the existence of a Tyranid god, then yes, we would be debating the depiction of said god, but that's not the case here.

I don't think that the Melchior Nephilim take the place of what I'm describing.

It outright describes them as having a religion which is not affiliated with the other ones depicted, and that they enslave humans to build the shrines for them.
In what way are they not an alien race with an alien god?

i didn't say it was Lovecraftian because Nids feel hunger.

No, being Lovecraftian doesn't require hunger. It requires a pure inability to comprehend and understand - like the Chaos Gods we have. However, your response is that "I feel rage, and Khorne embodies that, therefore, I understand Khorne". If that's the case, then if I feel hunger, I can understand the Tyranid god.
I support that the Chaos Gods are Lovecraftian, because it is impossible to understand their true nature.

ahh, you said 6 or 7 so it wasn't very clear.

But Lovecraft for the Nids? No problemo.

Basic sentience maybe. They can adapt strategies. But they have a god in their own way.

But you also said that those gods aren't super-Lovecraftian. Who says they worship like we do?

and I disagree that it anthropomorphizes them, for reasons already stated.

Taste? But then you'd be ignoring certain parts. That's not good.


"Not for me. I don't care what depiction a Tyranid god takes, because I simply don't believe it should exist."
Well, that's rather narrow-minded isn't it?


When I used the word alien, I didn't just mean xenos, I meant alien as in something truly far removed from our conventional Earthling experiences. Apologies if I caused any confusion.


"No, being Lovecraftian doesn't require hunger. It requires a pure inability to comprehend and understand - like the Chaos Gods we have. However, your response is that "I feel rage, and Khorne embodies that, therefore, I understand Khorne". If that's the case, then if I feel hunger, I can understand the Tyranid god.
I support that the Chaos Gods are Lovecraftian, because it is impossible to understand their true nature."

I didn't say that it does.

I didn't say that the Nid God is just simple easy to digest hunger. Pardon the pun.


Heck, GW has made it so much easier to understand them. None of that mystery horror lonestar777 desires. CSM are now depicted as some Saturday-morning villains too, which I hate.

I'm going to have to agree with everyone else. The Chaos Gods themselves are kind of lame because of how one-dimensional they are, representing only single emotional impulses and nothing else. The only thing that's really interesting about them is the whole messed up symbiotic relationship they have with the sentient races - they are gods, and they are terribly powerful and influential, but at the same time they are completely created and driven by the impulses of those they prey on. If all of the races just cut the nonsense and cleaned up their acts a bit it wouldn't even be something they have to worry about, but instead they're locked in this vicious cycle. That's pretty much all there is to the Chaos gods.

Throwing one more faction into that formula isn't going to make things more interesting, it just makes one of the non-humanoid races less interesting. I like the idea that every aspect of the Tyranids is a facet of a single, unified organism and consciousness. If they are all one thing, why would they need to worship themselves?

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:
@ Sgt Smudge

Gork & Mork Lovecraftian?

I did say "The former are all classed as Lovecraftian", referring to the Chaos Pantheon, however, in some respect, as alien gods and minds, I can see how Gork and Mork could be lovecraftian - irrevocably alien, unfazed by mortal concerns of reality, uncaring humour in violence, etc etc.

Well, since we're talking about depiction, they are depicted in pretty familiar terms a lot of the time. Not super-Lovecraftian, as I've said.

But wouldn't a Lovecraftian depiction in universe actually destroy people's sanity? Not good to have an image of your god which you can't actually visualise. For propaganda purposes, the followers of that god might well have created depictions of their gods in anthropomorphised manners.

If we're talking IRL, there would be simply no way to even depict a Lovecraftian entity properly, due to the habit of one's mind simply failing to register the being you witness.

What's your definition of sentience?

For an entity to view something subjectively, and to have wisdom or judgement. Tyranids have about as much as this as a swarm of locusts do. Do you deem locusts as sentient and sapient?

Exactly! So alien that it doesn't make sense. That's what you want right?

And I'm saying the Tyranids have no need for it, because it already exists in the form of the above mentioned races.
Tyranids would require sentience if they even wish to worship. That's the prerequisite for worship. It's like saying "I want an alien gun, so it work as one without even being a weapon", when being a weapon is what is required to class something as a gun in the first place.

Good for the story? Yeah. Good for my body? IDK.

I disagree that it would be good. It anthropomorphises them, which we have no need of. It adds nothing already present, other than adding ANOTHER god to the already diverse pantheon. In fact, it would remove diversity, as then there is no purely non-sentient/sapient playable race.

Chronologically? I think you should finish reading and then reply. Or edit it if you see something new later.

That's up to personal taste. I address what I refer to as I see it, and I don't think that's a real problem. Different strokes for different folks.

Yeah, isn't the depiction part of our debate?

Not for me. I don't care what depiction a Tyranid god takes, because I simply don't believe it should exist. Depiction doesn't matter for a non-existent entity.
If I did support the existence of a Tyranid god, then yes, we would be debating the depiction of said god, but that's not the case here.

I don't think that the Melchior Nephilim take the place of what I'm describing.

It outright describes them as having a religion which is not affiliated with the other ones depicted, and that they enslave humans to build the shrines for them.
In what way are they not an alien race with an alien god?

i didn't say it was Lovecraftian because Nids feel hunger.

No, being Lovecraftian doesn't require hunger. It requires a pure inability to comprehend and understand - like the Chaos Gods we have. However, your response is that "I feel rage, and Khorne embodies that, therefore, I understand Khorne". If that's the case, then if I feel hunger, I can understand the Tyranid god.
I support that the Chaos Gods are Lovecraftian, because it is impossible to understand their true nature.

ahh, you said 6 or 7 so it wasn't very clear.

My apologies.

But Lovecraft for the Nids? No problemo.

I'm not saying that it's not possible (if they were made sentient). I'm saying it has no need to be done, because it adds nothing to the setting at all. Anything that this god would bring has already been added. Instead, we have something new in the Tyranid's current form. A force of nature and biology, not of theology and faith.

Basic sentience maybe. They can adapt strategies. But they have a god in their own way.

Having a god in their own way requires sentience. It's like saying "oh, they can eat in their own way", when they don't possess a digestive system. It's a direct prohibition.

But you also said that those gods aren't super-Lovecraftian. Who says they worship like we do?

Because worship, in it's purest form, requires sentience. Unless you believe that a pet on our planet can worship the same god as us.

and I disagree that it anthropomorphizes them, for reasons already stated.

Which many people have already commented on and stated how it does anthropomorphise and humanise them.

Taste? But then you'd be ignoring certain parts. That's not good.

It ignores nothing. I address everything as I see it. Nothing is ignored. It is just dealt with in it's chronological turn.

"Not for me. I don't care what depiction a Tyranid god takes, because I simply don't believe it should exist."
Well, that's rather narrow-minded isn't it?

But why should a Tyranid god exist? Why, what's the purpose, the reason, the effect it has on Tyranids and the setting as a whole that nothing already does? Are Tyranids better with, or without, a god for design purposes?

You're assuming that a god should exist, because why not? I'm saying "what would having a god mean for this race? What does it tell us about them? What are the various benefits of having a god-loving horde, or for having an animalistic, locus-like swarm feeding through the galaxy, utterly beholden to the theological war occurring around them".
What about the design would be enhanced by gods, and would it make the Tyranids better or worse as a concept?

When I used the word alien, I didn't just mean xenos, I meant alien as in something truly far removed from our conventional Earthling experiences. Apologies if I caused any confusion.

We know nothing about the Nephilim gods, other than they exist, and are not the Chaos gods. What about that makes them "conventional Earthling experiences"?.
In fact, being godless, and being a non-sentient swarm that cares only about the hive is more inhuman than worship. Worship is human. Inability to even consider the self is inhuman. Therefore, being in their current state, Tyranids would be more MORE alien than if they worshipped an alien god.

"No, being Lovecraftian doesn't require hunger. It requires a pure inability to comprehend and understand - like the Chaos Gods we have. However, your response is that "I feel rage, and Khorne embodies that, therefore, I understand Khorne". If that's the case, then if I feel hunger, I can understand the Tyranid god.
I support that the Chaos Gods are Lovecraftian, because it is impossible to understand their true nature."

I didn't say that it does.

So how then are the Chaos Gods not Lovecraftian?

I didn't say that the Nid God is just simple easy to digest hunger. Pardon the pun.

So then what would it encompass? What about the Tyranid race makes it so intrinsic?

Heck, GW has made it so much easier to understand them. None of that mystery horror lonestar777 desires. CSM are now depicted as some Saturday-morning villains too, which I hate.

They are understandable as we would understand locusts, or white blood cells in a body. You understand their goal, their methods, their desire, but not the totality which that means, because as sentient humans, we are unable to understand it. You do not understand the swamr of locusts. You do not understand the cells in your bloodstream. That is the scale of what we're talking on Tyranids. We know what, we know how, but know not why. If we add in a god, then the why is answered too.

Smudge, you're so persistent, you don't give up. Unfortunately for you, neither do I.

Unfortunately I'm quite busy as of late, so I'll take much time to give a detailed rebuttal.

But I'll get back to you, I promise.

Honestly dude, your idea is pretty bad. It takes away everything that makes the Tyranids interesting. They are interesting because they have nothing in common with what the galaxy knows as sentient beings. It simple exists on a different level. Humans and other sentient beings are nothing but single celled organisms relative to the Tyranid super-organism. They are a utterly unknowable and unfathomable thing from beyond this galaxy. They are perfectly Lovecraftian as they are now.

They a literally incapable of worshipping a god, or creating one. You're basically destroying all that makes the Nids an interesting faction.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Honestly dude, your idea is pretty bad. It takes away everything that makes the Tyranids interesting. They are interesting because they have nothing in common with what the galaxy knows as sentient beings. It simple exists on a different level. Humans and other sentient beings are nothing but single celled organisms relative to the Tyranid super-organism. They are a utterly unknowable and unfathomable thing from beyond this galaxy. They are perfectly Lovecraftian as they are now.

They a literally incapable of worshipping a god, or creating one. You're basically destroying all that makes the Nids an interesting faction.

I think you fell into the same pitfalls of misunderstanding as the others. But it actually looks like you read the last couple of posts instead of just the OP. Or skimmed, I think. Maybe you can go through it again?

I'm out. You're not worth a ban. At this point you're clearly trolling.

Last thing I'll say is your name fits you to a T.

lonestarr777 wrote:
I'm out. You're not worth a ban. At this point you're clearly trolling.

Last thing I'll say is your name fits you to a T.

Yeah, I'm not someone who easily agrees to others opinions. Hence the name.


But Wow. First you call it garbage. Now you accuse me of trolling. wow.

How was I trolling? You're saying that I'm not serious and I''m deliberately using bad arguments to annoy people on purpose?


No, I am serious and I'm not trying to use bad arguments on purpose. If my arguments are bad, at least I addressed peoples' points. You don't see me selectively ignoring the important parts.

So please don't anyhow accuse others of trolling. I've only replied to you twice previously.


Yeah, many people disagree with me. I don't get mad over that. I try my best. I let them say their piece too.


If you're upset with me, you can rebut as much you want.


And perhaps you might be mad at me for our differences in opinion. That is absolutely fine. It's human to get mad.


But, talking about bans and accusations of trolling? That's serious. Please do not do that. I am not going to take lightly incorrect accusations of trolling.

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Honestly dude, your idea is pretty bad. It takes away everything that makes the Tyranids interesting. They are interesting because they have nothing in common with what the galaxy knows as sentient beings. It simple exists on a different level. Humans and other sentient beings are nothing but single celled organisms relative to the Tyranid super-organism. They are a utterly unknowable and unfathomable thing from beyond this galaxy. They are perfectly Lovecraftian as they are now.

They a literally incapable of worshipping a god, or creating one. You're basically destroying all that makes the Nids an interesting faction.

I think you fell into the same pitfalls of misunderstanding as the others. But it actually looks like you read the last couple of posts instead of just the OP. Or skimmed, I think. Maybe you can go through it again?

None of us are misunderstanding your idea, you're just the only one who likes it - there's a big difference there. It's pretty dull to the rest of us, it doesn't add anything to the nids and actually takes a lot away for us. If anything, I would say you don't understand the appeal of the tyranids to the rest of us while trying to tell us it would be better if something we don't like the idea of happening, happened.

Jacksmiles wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Honestly dude, your idea is pretty bad. It takes away everything that makes the Tyranids interesting. They are interesting because they have nothing in common with what the galaxy knows as sentient beings. It simple exists on a different level. Humans and other sentient beings are nothing but single celled organisms relative to the Tyranid super-organism. They are a utterly unknowable and unfathomable thing from beyond this galaxy. They are perfectly Lovecraftian as they are now.

They a literally incapable of worshipping a god, or creating one. You're basically destroying all that makes the Nids an interesting faction.

I think you fell into the same pitfalls of misunderstanding as the others. But it actually looks like you read the last couple of posts instead of just the OP. Or skimmed, I think. Maybe you can go through it again?

None of us are misunderstanding your idea, you're just the only one who likes it - there's a big difference there. It's pretty dull to the rest of us, it doesn't add anything to the nids and actually takes a lot away for us. If anything, I would say you don't understand the appeal of the tyranids to the rest of us while trying to tell us it would be better if something we don't like the idea of happening, happened.

Well, if you were misunderstanding it, you wouldn't be aware of that anyway. Maybe its my fault for not communicating it clearly enough.

Yes, I can see where you're coming from. However, in Grey Templar's earlier comment, it did seem to me like he had skimmed through. And I know that the convo has gotten very long.

That's why I encouraged him to go through some of my lengthier responses again, if he has the time, just like I asked if you could attack just now.

Yeah, reading through all the posts again..

I am with, giving the Tyranids a god is a terribad idea.

One of the biggests things for me about the Tyranids is that they are the Only neutral major player in the galaxy. They don't care for any politics or are working to appease a higher power.. You wont find any silly stories about them having a bromance with some Spacemarines (except make out sessions when Genestealers are involved =D)

Giving them a God and a 'God War' as you say, removes that Neutrality from the Tyranids by giving them greater purpose

It doesnt look like anyone has skimmed and we all have great reading comprehension as far as i can tell.

The idea is bad.

Nobody wants the nids to have anything that relates to any other species. Their otherness is the apeal. One of if not the only truely alien factions you can play as. Every other species may have a different biology or function at a different level but are all ultimately very human like in their functions and desires.

Not the nids.

The individuals do not even hunger thiugh they do feed. Most are not even grown with the mojority of the organs you would expect an organism to have because they dont need them. That often includes a digestive tract. In fact, none of them have a full digestive tract.

Your idea is bad. We dont like it.

 Lance845 wrote:
It doesnt look like anyone has skimmed and we all have great reading comprehension as far as i can tell.

The idea is bad.

Nobody wants the nids to have anything that relates to any other species. Their otherness is the apeal. One of if not the only truely alien factions you can play as. Every other species may have a different biology or function at a different level but are all ultimately very human like in their functions and desires.

Not the nids.

The individuals do not even hunger thiugh they do feed. Most are not even grown with the mojority of the organs you would expect an organism to have because they dont need them. That often includes a digestive tract. In fact, none of them have a full digestive tract.

Your idea is bad. We dont like it.

Well, I still think there's more that I can do. I don't feel that I've gotten my point across; could be my fault. As I told Smudge, I'm gonna reply to him again.

I mean, it is not good if I cave in to peer pressure right? So I am going to address each of your individual statements. I hope you'll read mine carefully, you said you do, and I assure you I'll read yours carefully as well.




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@Sgt Smudge

You said you'll address everything chronologically, aka in order of writing. That means you've really got to address every bit so as not to miss out anything.

Secondly, if you see something that contradicts later on, will you scroll back up to edit your earlier part? Otherwise, you could post a reply that contradicts itself, and it is way more messy that way

Thirdly, I'm worried that if some of my points are in separate sections of my reply, I'll have to repeat myself needlessly.

 Maximus Bitch wrote:

Jacksmiles wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Honestly dude, your idea is pretty bad. It takes away everything that makes the Tyranids interesting. They are interesting because they have nothing in common with what the galaxy knows as sentient beings. It simple exists on a different level. Humans and other sentient beings are nothing but single celled organisms relative to the Tyranid super-organism. They are a utterly unknowable and unfathomable thing from beyond this galaxy. They are perfectly Lovecraftian as they are now.

They a literally incapable of worshipping a god, or creating one. You're basically destroying all that makes the Nids an interesting faction.

I think you fell into the same pitfalls of misunderstanding as the others. But it actually looks like you read the last couple of posts instead of just the OP. Or skimmed, I think. Maybe you can go through it again?

None of us are misunderstanding your idea, you're just the only one who likes it - there's a big difference there. It's pretty dull to the rest of us, it doesn't add anything to the nids and actually takes a lot away for us. If anything, I would say you don't understand the appeal of the tyranids to the rest of us while trying to tell us it would be better if something we don't like the idea of happening, happened.

Well, if you were misunderstanding it, you wouldn't be aware of that anyway. Maybe its my fault for not communicating it clearly enough.

No, I understand your OP well enough. Allow me to quote it, and annotate in red.

Maximus Bitch's OP wrote:Here's a theory that's pretty out-there, but it sounds pretty cool at the same time. Cool is subjective, as we appear to see in this thread. Still, a good enough introduction.

So, it has been established that the Nids don't feed the Chaos gods, because their minds and souls are of a different nature compared to the other races native to the Milky Way. Well, technically. Their minds and souls are a different nature, mostly because they don't exist. Tyranids, barring a few exceptions (Genestealers), are not sentient and sapient, so lack the simple ability to worship at all. They are as much of alien race as a plague of insects on earth. Every other race is sentient, equivalent to humanity on a scale of self-awareness. Tyranids are simply fundamentally different, in that they are incapable of the theological warring that practically every other race is subsumed by.

What if the Nids' collective souls created a Tyranid God of the Warp. Like one of the Big 4 Chaos Gods, but a Tyranid version. And this is the issue. You take a concept of the Tyranids, and just say "so, how about we do THIS?!" without really dealing with what makes Tyranids different in the first place, and the ideas of why to do it.
What would having a god bring to the setting? How would it make them more interesting than what they are already?

This would be like me saying "So, Tau are inspired by Eastern themes and mecha styles making them different from the typical Western aesthetic styles of the other factions, so how about we GIVE THEM ALL POWER KATANAS!" even though a defining trait of Tau is their reluctance to engage in melee combat, which makes them different to the other factions which do have a predilection for getting up close to HIT THEM WITH MY CHAINSWORD. It takes what makes them unique and interesting, and makes them just another version of the other factions.


Then, what if this god saw the Big 4 as a threat, and wanted to destroy them? And it aims to do that by sending the Tyranids to the Milky Way to destroy all life, as such life feeds and enables the Big 4 Chaos Gods. And again, this is just running with the idea which doesn't really work in the first place - in my TauKatana example, it might be "And then, what if they have a culture of martial honour and seeking out enemy leaders in single combat and challenging them for the glory of the Chaos Gods God-Emperor Templar Crusade Tau Empire!".
The idea's already used by other factions, and would actively from some of the interesting lore of the faction as it exists now.
For example, in the Tyranid example, they are interesting because they aren't driven by a war in the name of the gods, but by purely material gains - to feed and consume like the base animals they are. That makes them different to everyone else (with exceptions) who do. In my Tau example, it ignores the current lore of Tau being pragmatic and preferring to engage at range, where they can secure victory safely, in favour of making them just like all the other combat based factions in the lore.

So it would not be just a quest for food, but an epic struggle between gods. Which removes the actual fun part of the Tyranid lore that they are only concerned with their own sustenance, not the favour of a god.


I think it'd be cool for the mighty Chaos gods to be challenged. Gods can fall. The Eldar Gods got pwned. The C'tan got pwned too. Gork & Mork are still going strong though. And this is why the idea falls flat. Your whole aim for this seems to be "let's challenge the Chaos Gods and show that gods can fall", even though they already have enough of a challenge. We have seen that gods can fall - just see the C'Tan and the Eldar Pantheon. They're proof that Gods can be defeated. We have seen that new gods can upend the balance - Slaanesh and Ynnead. We can see a struggle between the gods - the power struggles between the Chaos Gods themselves, the resurgent Eldar pantheon reclaiming souls from Slaanesh, the God Emperor proving an adversary for all four Chaos Gods simultaneously. Gork and Mork are undefeated, and simply laugh off the blows of the Chaos pantheon.
We already have enough godly conflicts. Instead, a faction removed from the war in the heavens and acting on biological instinct and atavism would be a breath of fresh air.

The Tyranid God should use the colour yellow. We already have red for Khorne, Blue for Tzeentch, Green for Nurgle and Pink for Slaanesh. And this is just embellishment, instead of tackling the actual issues of the change. Harmless, but not really needed.

I hope I address the issues well enough, and apologies for using a different colour for highlighting my points. If it's an issue, I'll change it to something more typical.

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
It doesnt look like anyone has skimmed and we all have great reading comprehension as far as i can tell.

The idea is bad.

Nobody wants the nids to have anything that relates to any other species. Their otherness is the apeal. One of if not the only truely alien factions you can play as. Every other species may have a different biology or function at a different level but are all ultimately very human like in their functions and desires.

Not the nids.

The individuals do not even hunger thiugh they do feed. Most are not even grown with the mojority of the organs you would expect an organism to have because they dont need them. That often includes a digestive tract. In fact, none of them have a full digestive tract.

Your idea is bad. We dont like it.

Well, I still think there's more that I can do. I don't feel that I've gotten my point across; could be my fault. As I told Smudge, I'm gonna reply to him again.

I mean, it is not good if I cave in to peer pressure right? So I am going to address each of your individual statements. I hope you'll read mine carefully, you said you do, and I assure you I'll read yours carefully as well.

There's a difference between "giving in to peer pressure" and accepting criticism.
I've read your OP clearly, and what it essentially boils down to.
It's not the execution of your idea that's the issue, at least for me. It's concept itself - the idea of Tyranids having a God is not good. It adds nothing to them, and isn't logical in any way, given that Tyranids aren't even conscious of their own being.

If the idea itself is the issue, no amount of "getting the point across" will change that the idea itself is flawed.

@Sgt Smudge

You said you'll address everything chronologically, aka in order of writing. That means you've really got to address every bit so as not to miss out anything.

Secondly, if you see something that contradicts later on, will you scroll back up to edit your earlier part? Otherwise, you could post a reply that contradicts itself, and it is way more messy that way

Thirdly, I'm worried that if some of my points are in separate sections of my reply, I'll have to repeat myself needlessly.

I don't really think this has anything to do with the topic at hand. If you want to discuss the various aspects of chronological replies, feel free to drop a PM in, but otherwise, I don't see how it has anything to do with the discussion of this thread.

 Maximus Bitch wrote:

@Sgt Smudge

You said you'll address everything chronologically, aka in order of writing. That means you've really got to address every bit so as not to miss out anything.

Secondly, if you see something that contradicts later on, will you scroll back up to edit your earlier part? Otherwise, you could post a reply that contradicts itself, and it is way more messy that way

Thirdly, I'm worried that if some of my points are in separate sections of my reply, I'll have to repeat myself needlessly.

I don't really think this has anything to do with the topic at hand. If you want to discuss the various aspects of chronological replies, feel free to drop a PM in, but otherwise, I don't see how it has anything to do with the discussion of this thread.

Because, before we can discuss the topic at hand, we need to iron out how we're gonna go about discussing it. Because I see the potential for significant and unnecessary messiness in your method that could bog both of us down.

Are you saying that there is no way my post above can be understood by you?
I have addressed every point as I see it, and repeated myself if necessary to embellish that argument.

I fail to see how my above post can be misconstrued from the way I have addressed it.
If this is a widely held view, so be it, and I will change it. However, I do not see why you cannot address my points made.

Now, if we could return to the discussion at hand?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I am replying in concordance with the Dakka rules of posting. ... - is my method of response inappropriate?

Yes, you're not violating any rules. I don't know what you mean by "appropriate" (appropriate in what sense?), but it certainly is cumbersome.




For example, I don't know why you have to repeat this:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I don't really think this has anything to do with the topic at hand.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I don't see how this relates to your OP, or the topic in general.

 Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I am replying in concordance with the Dakka rules of posting. ... - is my method of response inappropriate?

Yes, you're not violating any rules. I don't know what you mean by "appropriate" (appropriate in what sense?), but it certainly is cumbersome.




For example, I don't know why you have to repeat this:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I don't really think this has anything to do with the topic at hand.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I don't see how this relates to your OP, or the topic in general.

Because you are still derailing your own thread.