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The removal of codexes was a necessary step. Painful for those with a large investment in books/PDFs, and I recognize that.

But they had to change at some point. And this will stop years and years of weakness/domination of particularly cheesed-out combos (or so I hope).

I'm almost optimistic about this.

Lets hope they cut out the bloat, and stick to it, and not succumb to the siren call of adding in layers and layers of useless piffle over the lifespan of the edition. Which they always, always do.

New Marines

What happens to my codexes?
The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n.

About fething time and good riddance to 6th/7th style books. Hopefully the idea of formations that dole out free bonuses and models as long as you spend $$$ is gone for good.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
What happens to my codexes?
'The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n'.

This one is gonna cause a bit of rage! every 40k book you'v bought, codexs supplements, FW IA.... all kapoot

It's harsh but it was needed to stop the spiral of crappy rules-upon-rules to patch a system that was being crushed under its own weight.

I will happily trade every penny I spent on rulebooks for not having to deal with the asinine crap that was in those books anymore.

Seriously, Chaos daemons' rulebooks of all shapes and sizes were a blight on humanity that proves there is no such thing as a benevolent god.

Also Eldar and Grav were OP.

RazorEdge wrote:

New Marines

Holy heck!

RazorEdge wrote:


New Marines

Are they? Just look like more marine to me. I confess to not being a rivet-counter in this matter though.

Will the rules be updated annually (ala, the General's Handbook)?
What a great idea! We've had such a fantastic response to our community-led approach with the
Warhammer Age of Sigmar rules updates that we're committed to doing the same for
Warhammer 40,000. You’ll be able to submit your questions and queries on the Warhammer
40,000 Facebook page and we'll make sure we continue to evolve the game as feedback rolls
in.

For those who play AOS, are the annual updates (ala the General's Handbook) also free content albeit maybe in basic no art or fancy layout form? Or will the base game be free and then you must pay a yearly rules subscription fee to stay updated?

 Loremaster Of Awesomeness wrote:
'Are you getting rid of points?
Not at all. There will be a full points system, for use in matched play – one of three ways to play covered in the rulebook.'

So, it's definately going down the Sigmar route? Ok then

Yeah looks like it. Core rules are free and a 40K Compendium will be released at the same time. Though I note that there are 'books' going to be released to cover all the armies so you might need more than one book if you have multiple armies (I assume it will go like AoS though with lots of mini factions)

I'd also bet by last dollar that the core rules are pretty much going to be AoS and that the base unit stats will be included as part of the box (and in the same method, so no table comparisons, just 3+ to hit etc, 4+ to wound etc).

However I'd note that Codexes appear to already selling out so grab them while you can if you want them!

Pistols at Dawn wrote:


Are they? Just look like more marine to me. I confess to not being a rivet-counter in this matter though.

Look at the legs and the overall height to width ratios. They resemble the truescale marine conversions more than 3rd edition marines.

No one knows as the 2nd General's Handbook hasn't been released yet. It could go either way.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
No one knows as the 2nd General's Handbook hasn't been released yet. It could go either way.

What about the first one? Did they put up the rules (without fluff, art, explanations, etc) on their website for free after they released it?

DG have their own selection when you choose chaos as your alliegience.

AND OOOHHHHH MA GAAAAAME THOSE TRUESCALE MARINES! THEY WERE REAL.

This is awesome? Truescale marines Vs DG in starter? Errrrrr YES YES YES!

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
No one knows as the 2nd General's Handbook hasn't been released yet. It could go either way.

What about the first one? Did they put up the rules (without fluff, art, explanations, etc) on their website for free after they released it?

Nope, you have to buy it (either physically or digitally).

'Truescale' marines are just more marines though. I don't get why people get so excited over this.

Can't blame GW really - marines is what pays the bills.

 warboss wrote:

What happens to my codexes?
The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n.

About fething time and good riddance to 6th/7th style books. Hopefully the idea of formations that dole out free bonuses and models as long as you spend $$$ is gone for good.

Not even close, have you looked at AoS? There's bi-yearly codexs, yearly GHB, campaign books out the wazoo and all with formations with minimal point costs.

All current armies should be ok if you don't want to buy stuff as they will get rules at launch and then left to rot.

But at least unlike with whfb we will still have a game for older players in 30k.

ERJAK wrote:
Seriously, Chaos daemons' rulebooks of all shapes and sizes were a blight on humanity that proves there is no such thing as a benevolent god.

Chaos gods though...

On topic: I hope the rules availability is like in AoS (i.e. all rules required for open play are free).

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
No one knows as the 2nd General's Handbook hasn't been released yet. It could go either way.

What about the first one? Did they put up the rules (without fluff, art, explanations, etc) on their website for free after they released it?

Nope, you have to buy it (either physically or digitally).

Then in that case it is NOT an improvement. One purchase every five years vs a purchase at 2/3 the cost EVERY year for five years to keep updated is a step back in terms of actual barrier to playing. I hope they don't pull that gak and label it as somehow consumer friendly like they did with unbound and formations.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Loremaster Of Awesomeness wrote:
Yeah, has a great video that gives away... NOTHING! Yeay!

The FAQ has all the important questions.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/22/the-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000-your-questions-answered/

Wait, did you guys blow up the universe?
Nope. This is very much still the Warhammer 40,000 setting you know and love. Now, that’s not to say we won’t see the story advance – there’s some pretty epic stuff ahead! You can certainly expect to see the story arcs that began in the recent Gathering Storm campaign books continue to unfold with plenty of exciting developments to look forward to…

THEY KNOW

 Loremaster Of Awesomeness wrote:
'Are you getting rid of points?
Not at all. There will be a full points system, for use in matched play – one of three ways to play covered in the rulebook.'

So, it's definately going down the Sigmar route? Ok then

They said exactly this at the AdeptiCon seminar in March.

 warboss wrote:

Pistols at Dawn wrote:


Are they? Just look like more marine to me. I confess to not being a rivet-counter in this matter though.

Look at the legs and the overall height to width ratios. They resemble the truescale marine conversions more than 3rd edition marines.

Yeah the poses are different for the tactical marines (the existing ones are much more flat footed). My guess these are from the new starter set... I don't also recognise the painting book in the background so I'm assuming this might also be included in the box set.

As for them being truescale marines, just a word of caution - there was a slight but perceptible size increase in the new AoS models too. They might just be rescaling everything and hence once other factions are released the overall relative scale might just be the same.

It was real

 warboss wrote:

What happens to my codexes?
The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n.

About fething time and good riddance to 6th/7th style books. Hopefully the idea of formations that dole out free bonuses and models as long as you spend $$$ is gone for good.

100% agreement.

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
No one knows as the 2nd General's Handbook hasn't been released yet. It could go either way.

What about the first one? Did they put up the rules (without fluff, art, explanations, etc) on their website for free after they released it?

Nope, you have to buy it (either physically or digitally).

Then in that case it is NOT an improvement. One purchase every five years vs a purchase at 2/3 the cost EVERY year for five years to keep updated is a step back in terms of actual barrier to playing. I hope they don't pull that gak and label it as somehow consumer friendly like they did with unbound and formations.

Would Games workshop do a thing like that?

SeanDrake wrote:

 warboss wrote:

What happens to my codexes?
The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n.

About fething time and good riddance to 6th/7th style books. Hopefully the idea of formations that dole out free bonuses and models as long as you spend $$$ is gone for good.

Not even close, have you looked at AoS? There's bi-yearly codexs, yearly GHB, campaign books out the wazoo and all with formations with minimal point costs.

All current armies should be ok if you don't want to buy stuff as they will get rules at launch and then left to rot.

But at least unlike with whfb we will still have a game for older players in 30k.

Oh you mean that game with tri-yearly codexes, campaign books out the wazoo and rights of war that give wildly different power-levels of bonuses for free, all while costing between 2-5 time more per model than 40k? Models THAT MELT IN THE SUN btw.
30k is nice if you have infinite money and wear a fedora in the shower but it's not as good as sigmar for normal gamers.

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
No one knows as the 2nd General's Handbook hasn't been released yet. It could go either way.

What about the first one? Did they put up the rules (without fluff, art, explanations, etc) on their website for free after they released it?

Nope, you have to buy it (either physically or digitally).

Then in that case it is NOT an improvement. One purchase every five years vs a purchase at 2/3 the cost EVERY year for five years to keep updated is a step back in terms of actual barrier to playing. I hope they don't pull that gak and label it as somehow consumer friendly like they did with unbound and formations.

I suppose we'll just see. It's possible the GH's digital version might just get a free update.

It would still leave the physical medium behind (which sucks for everyone who like me prefers a physical book and also doesn't want to buy/carry a tablet with them to play) and requiring repurchase, but it would be better.

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
No one knows as the 2nd General's Handbook hasn't been released yet. It could go either way.

What about the first one? Did they put up the rules (without fluff, art, explanations, etc) on their website for free after they released it?

Nope, you have to buy it (either physically or digitally).

Then in that case it is NOT an improvement. One purchase every five years vs a purchase at 2/3 the cost EVERY year for five years to keep updated is a step back in terms of actual barrier to playing. I hope they don't pull that gak and label it as somehow consumer friendly like they did with unbound and formations.

The only thing that General's Handbook is required for is playing point matches. Same thing with the various army/campaign books and specific formations.

They've been learning, quite frankly, with the individual army books and making things much better. That's why we've gotten two Stormcast Eternal and Khorne books within a short timeframe.
The individual army books now contain much of the stuff that was in GHB.

Pistols at Dawn wrote:
'Truescale' marines are just more marines though. I don't get why people get so excited over this.

Can't blame GW really - marines is what pays the bills.

I can see why people get excited. One reason is the current Space Marine looks small compared to IG and some other models. The other reason is that if they release a new, bigger marine it might make people's existing models look weird, especially if they are mixed and matched within the same army.

To be fair, the GHB is probably the cheapest book GW sells at that size.

ERJAK wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 warboss wrote:

What happens to my codexes?
The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n.

About fething time and good riddance to 6th/7th style books. Hopefully the idea of formations that dole out free bonuses and models as long as you spend $$$ is gone for good.

Not even close, have you looked at AoS? There's bi-yearly codexs, yearly GHB, campaign books out the wazoo and all with formations with minimal point costs.

All current armies should be ok if you don't want to buy stuff as they will get rules at launch and then left to rot.

But at least unlike with whfb we will still have a game for older players in 30k.

Oh you mean that game with tri-yearly codexes, campaign books out the wazoo and rights of war that give wildly different power-levels of bonuses for free, all while costing between 2-5 time more per model than 40k? Models THAT MELT IN THE SUN btw.
30k is nice if you have infinite money and wear a fedora in the shower but it's not as good as sigmar for normal gamers.

Good to know you know absolutely nothing of what you are talking about. About the only thing you got right was the price cost and MAYBE the melting bit if you leave your models in a car in the sun at midday in the middle of summer while living in a tropical or sub-tropical region...