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 Deadshot wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
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That didn't happen in that context, they did a tactical retreat, if they had more numbers they would have purged the Necron
It is literally written there.

Yes, they would have, if they had more numbers but they don't and never do, never will and never have. There are less than 1000 Grey Knights in the galaxy, and they won't waste a single one killing Xenos unnecessarily, especially when said Xenos can be of use to them. Not an ally as such but a tool to fight Chaos with. They still could have, except they didn't need to. Another chapter might have called in reinforcements and purged anyway, but there is no point in wasting Grey Knights on Xenos. Xenos are small fry in the grand scheme of things, Chaos is the Number 1, 2 and 3 through 52 on the Grey Knights' gak list. Xenos come in at around 100.

That doesn't mean they work with them. You are off topic and making head canon (as there is no evidence to back up what you wish was true)

 Rippy wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
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That didn't happen in that context, they did a tactical retreat, if they had more numbers they would have purged the Necron
It is literally written there.

Yes, they would have, if they had more numbers but they don't and never do, never will and never have. There are less than 1000 Grey Knights in the galaxy, and they won't waste a single one killing Xenos unnecessarily, especially when said Xenos can be of use to them. Not an ally as such but a tool to fight Chaos with. They still could have, except they didn't need to. Another chapter might have called in reinforcements and purged anyway, but there is no point in wasting Grey Knights on Xenos. Xenos are small fry in the grand scheme of things, Chaos is the Number 1, 2 and 3 through 52 on the Grey Knights' gak list. Xenos come in at around 100.

That doesn't mean they work with them. You are off topic and making head canon (as there is no evidence to back up what you wish was true)

I am not off topic, the topic is whether or not GK and Eldar relations are stable. The answer is yes, as presented, evidence in support being the Malan'tai incident and the Eldar hatred of Slaanesh, which make them a viable ally. Also evidence in question is that GK do WHATEVER is necessary to fight the Daemon (look at either of the Codexes, its on every other page in some version or another), which means, if they can better defeat the Daemon by teaming up with Eldar, Tau, Necrons or even Orks, they will, until such time as they stop being useful to the GK's cause.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
^
That didn't happen in that context, they did a tactical retreat, if they had more numbers they would have purged the Necron
It is literally written there.

Yes, they would have, if they had more numbers but they don't and never do, never will and never have. There are less than 1000 Grey Knights in the galaxy, and they won't waste a single one killing Xenos unnecessarily, especially when said Xenos can be of use to them. Not an ally as such but a tool to fight Chaos with. They still could have, except they didn't need to. Another chapter might have called in reinforcements and purged anyway, but there is no point in wasting Grey Knights on Xenos. Xenos are small fry in the grand scheme of things, Chaos is the Number 1, 2 and 3 through 52 on the Grey Knights' gak list. Xenos come in at around 100.

That doesn't mean they work with them. You are off topic and making head canon (as there is no evidence to back up what you wish was true)

I am not off topic, the topic is whether or not GK and Eldar relations are stable. The answer is yes, as presented, evidence in support being the Malan'tai incident and the Eldar hatred of Slaanesh, which make them a viable ally. Also evidence in question is that GK do WHATEVER is necessary to fight the Daemon (look at either of the Codexes, its on every other page in some version or another), which means, if they can better defeat the Daemon by teaming up with Eldar, Tau, Necrons or even Orks, they will, until such time as they stop being useful to the GK's cause.

The one major conflict where there was another Xenos faction, they ended up fighting them and the demons at the same time. I am done with this discussion, once again I am saying you are providing no evidence, and once again I am telling you that you are using your own head canon. Yes they will do anything to stop the demons, except they would never work WITH xenos as allies. At least not in the current fluff. They might use Xenos, and then purge said Xenos but that is about it.

 Rippy wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
^
That didn't happen in that context, they did a tactical retreat, if they had more numbers they would have purged the Necron
It is literally written there.

Yes, they would have, if they had more numbers but they don't and never do, never will and never have. There are less than 1000 Grey Knights in the galaxy, and they won't waste a single one killing Xenos unnecessarily, especially when said Xenos can be of use to them. Not an ally as such but a tool to fight Chaos with. They still could have, except they didn't need to. Another chapter might have called in reinforcements and purged anyway, but there is no point in wasting Grey Knights on Xenos. Xenos are small fry in the grand scheme of things, Chaos is the Number 1, 2 and 3 through 52 on the Grey Knights' gak list. Xenos come in at around 100.

That doesn't mean they work with them. You are off topic and making head canon (as there is no evidence to back up what you wish was true)

I am not off topic, the topic is whether or not GK and Eldar relations are stable. The answer is yes, as presented, evidence in support being the Malan'tai incident and the Eldar hatred of Slaanesh, which make them a viable ally. Also evidence in question is that GK do WHATEVER is necessary to fight the Daemon (look at either of the Codexes, its on every other page in some version or another), which means, if they can better defeat the Daemon by teaming up with Eldar, Tau, Necrons or even Orks, they will, until such time as they stop being useful to the GK's cause.

The one major conflict where there was another Xenos faction, they ended up fighting them and the demons at the same time. I am done with this discussion, once again I am saying you are providing no evidence, and once again I am telling you that you are using your own head canon. Yes they will do anything to stop the demons, except they would never work WITH xenos as allies. At least not in the current fluff. They might use Xenos, and then purge said Xenos but that is about it.

There are plenty of instances of Eldar and Imperials working together to face a greater foe. The GK are the most pragmatic and reasonable flavour of Imperium. I have listed my evidence (again, Malan'tai for start). In response to yours, the Necrons attacked them as they did not see the GK as allies, only another enemy. The GK responded in force and in kind. Simple. You are also incorrect in saying "the GK would NEVER work with Xenos," as noted by the Jokaero present in the 5th Ed GK Codex. I have pointed to the codexes, which state, in numerous ways and on numerous occassions that the GK will do whatever is necessary. No if, no buts. All costs means all costs.

I am likewise done arguing with you.

Essentially, barring Radical Ordo Xenos Inquisitors (of which the Grey Knights are not affiliated with), no Imperial relationship with xenos is ever completely stable.

They'd possibly work together in a dire enough threat, and would both probably prioritise the killing of the daemons, but the moment that one side can seize an advantage, they will. Neither faction wants to lose men, and there will be an element of "we can let someone else deal with them" but there's no way it's a solid, mutually agreed and recognised alliance.
Hence - allies of convenience.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Essentially, barring Radical Ordo Xenos Inquisitors (of which the Grey Knights are not affiliated with), no Imperial relationship with xenos is ever completely stable.

They'd possibly work together in a dire enough threat, and would both probably prioritise the killing of the daemons, but the moment that one side can seize an advantage, they will. Neither faction wants to lose men, and there will be an element of "we can let someone else deal with them" but there's no way it's a solid, mutually agreed and recognised alliance.
Hence - allies of convenience.

Exactly this, they are not allies as such, they are not working together, they are fighting the same enemy at the same time.

 Ashiraya wrote:
GK and their Inquisitor buddies also employ xenos (monkeys) and use various xenotech.

thats interessting thank you

LIke other have said, from a long standing point of view the Imperial as a whole doesn't have long sanding positive positions with any Non Imperial factions. Even within the Imperium there are clashes.

However, with specific campaigns you could reasonable mix Imperial. Eldar (probably not DE) and Tau.

Once we know more about the New 40k universe,I'd pick a region to base your "temporary" alliance in and off you go. If you end up fighting orks then they obviously have some vile Chaos artifact in their possession etc.

Excluding some more competitive players, most people will be happy to play such a mixed force if your don't go over the top with it and have a plausible reason/joint goal for the mix of factions.

People forget that Grey Knights have access to the Black Library, an Eldar repository of daemonic knowledge hidden in the Webway and guarded by the Harlequins, of which the Harlequins are composed of Craftworld, Exodite, and Dark Eldar. That points to a pretty solid relationship with the Eldar.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
People forget that Grey Knights have access to the Black Library, an Eldar repository of daemonic knowledge hidden in the Webway and guarded by the Harlequins, of which the Harlequins are composed of Craftworld, Exodite, and Dark Eldar. That points to a pretty solid relationship with the Eldar.

SJ

I wasn't aware they had access to it. If you don't mind, where's the source for this?