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Easy E wrote: I wonder how this is impacting the call center outsourcing industry? The Phillipines have been a popular place to off shore recently.
I hadn't heard this, is it a significant portion of the industry? Even if it isn't I imagine if a company has all of their outsourcing there it could be a problem.
It shouldn't be too much in the way of disruption right now. The trouble is concentrated in the south. If I remember right, aside from some tourist spots, the major economic hubs are further north.
But if things drag out, I can see an economic impact on the country.
The Philippines have been an actual case study for lessons learned on fighting a counter insurgency. Maybe the military leaders should read some of David Galula's work, which is based off insurgency of this sort in the Philippines.
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Easy E wrote: I wonder how this is impacting the call center outsourcing industry? The Phillipines have been a popular place to off shore recently.
I hadn't heard this, is it a significant portion of the industry? Even if it isn't I imagine if a company has all of their outsourcing there it could be a problem.
It shouldn't be too much in the way of disruption right now. The trouble is concentrated in the south. If I remember right, aside from some tourist spots, the major economic hubs are further north.
But if things drag out, I can see an economic impact on the country.
I worked for someone who has a bigish set up in Philippines, if they start getting shakey, that could hit local economy and hard, there a big money earner and also effect a few multi nationals. Sure there's excess capacity in most call centre systems., or spare desks to fill but not ernough to replace entire out sourcing blocks.
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Call centres in the Philippines are a pretty big deal. Looked after a few groups from two different organisations for a number of years. Mostly the thing that got you was the rainy season, where mudslides can take out major roads and staff can't physically get to work. Never had to factor in terrorists before.
feeder wrote: Are they terrorists or are they rebels?
Given the following:
- The Maute group together with the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters has pledged allegiance to ISIS. - A policeman and 2 ambulance drivers were killed. - Women not wearing Hijabs are being taken away. - The group took away the firetrucks so that the fire can't be put out. - Maute is interrogating civilians. If you can't prove you are a Muslim, they will kidnap you and will be "taken cared of" - Civilians are asked to recite the Shahada. If they can't, theyre killed.
... I think the distinction has lost any real meaning.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Call centres in the Philippines are a pretty big deal. Looked after a few groups from two different organisations for a number of years. Mostly the thing that got you was the rainy season, where mudslides can take out major roads and staff can't physically get to work. Never had to factor in terrorists before.
feeder wrote: Are they terrorists or are they rebels?
Given the following:
- The Maute group together with the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters has pledged allegiance to ISIS.
- A policeman and 2 ambulance drivers were killed.
- Women not wearing Hijabs are being taken away.
- The group took away the firetrucks so that the fire can't be put out.
- Maute is interrogating civilians. If you can't prove you are a Muslim, they will kidnap you and will be "taken cared of"
- Civilians are asked to recite the Shahada. If they can't, theyre killed.
... I think the distinction has lost any real meaning.
[quote/]
At this point we are just dealing with ISIS.
There is no difference. And sadly from there reputation we know how being taken away can end badly.
They are playing from same guide book and doing same brutal things.
Hope they can end them before they have too long yo dig in like in Syria and then the rats a real pain to sog out there holes if they got time to consolidate.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
As terrorists stormed a Philippine city, President Rodrigo Duterte expanded his powers to new levels, vowing to become “harsher than Marcos”.
Duterte declared martial law across the southern part of the Philippines after Islamic-State linked militants stormed a city, beheaded a police chief and burned down buildings.
Authorities said more than 40 people were killed in the deadly battle when gunmen from the local terrorist organisations Maute Group and Abu Sayyaf rampaged through Marawi city.
During a visit to Moscow, Duterte said he was cutting short his visit to deal with the crisis, and declared martial law in the province of Mindanao.
The President said the influence of Islamic State remained one of the country’s top security concerns and warned martial law could soon be extended across the Philippines.
It comes after he repeatedly threatened to place the south, the scene of decades-long Muslim separatist uprisings, under martial law.
The violence in Marawi erupted on Tuesday after the army raided the hide-out of Isnilon Hapilon, a commander of the Abu Sayyaf militant group who has pledged allegiance to IS.
He is on Washington’s list of most-wanted terrorists with a $5 million reward for information leading to his capture.
The militants called for reinforcements and around 100 gunmen entered Marawi, a mostly Muslim city of 200,000 people on the southern island of Mindanao, Defence Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said.
Rebels torched buildings, took a priest and his worshippers hostage and sealed off much of the city.
The violence forced thousands to flee and raised fears of growing extremism in the country.
At least 44 people have died in the fighting, including 31 militants and 11 soldiers, officials said. President Rodrigo Duterte said a local police chief was stopped at a militant checkpoint and beheaded, and another policeman was also killed.
Human rights groups have expressed fears that martial law powers could further embolden Duterte, whom they have accused of allowing extrajudicial killings of thousands of people in his crackdown on illegal drugs.
The National Union of Peoples’ Lawyers in Manila told the New York Times it appeared to be a sledgehammer, knee-jerk reaction”.
“The recent incidents in Marawi do not justify the shotgun declaration of martial law,” head of the lawyers’ union Ephraim Cortez said.
“The declaration of martial law should be an option of last resort.”
Human Rights Watch warned Duterte’s declaration of martial law threatened to widen the scope of abuse.
Deputy Asia director at HRW Phelim Kine said while Maute and the Islamist armed group Abu Sayyaf threatened the security of people in parts of Mindanao, martial law was a drastic move.
“Duterte’s martial law threatens military abuses in Mindanao that could rival the murderous ‘drug war’ in urban areas,” Mr Kine said.
“It’s crucial that the country’s security forces abide by international law at all times and hold rights violators to account.
“Martial law is not a free pass for abuse.”
HRW also said expanding the military’s legal authority opened the door to increased human rights violations against civilians, “who have long been targets of military abuses”.
Writing in Forbes, international politics, security and political risk expert Anders Corr said the move was extreme and warned Duterte is currently the biggest threat facing the country today.
Mr Corr, whose company, Corr Analytics, provides political risk analysis to commercial, non-profit and media, said Duterte had several other options available to deal with the militants who were nowhere near as powerful as Duterte made out.
“Duterte is on an authoritarian path,” he wrote.
“He reveres the past dictator of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos, who ruled for 21 years and used torture and a brutal martial law to do so. As Duterte insults US presidents Obama and Trump, he openly embraces China and Russia.”
Martial law allows Duterte to use the armed forces to carry out arrests, searches and detentions more rapidly.
The constitution only allows martial law for 60 days in the event of rebellion or invasion.
However Duterte has repeatedly threatened that he is willing to ignore the constitution if he needs to enforce martial law.
He also suggested it could spread even further, sparking fears he may use it to further his hold on power.
“If it would take a year to do it, then we’ll do it. If it’s over within a month, then I’d be happy,” Duterte said in a video posted on Facebook by Mocha Uson, the assistant secretary to the Presidential Communications Operation Office.
“It would not be any different from what President Marcos did. I’d be harsh.”
Mr Lorenzana said that the military will have “control of movement, searches and arrest of detained people”.
It also allows the military to supersede civilian authorities in enforcing the law and permits military courts to try civilians when civil courts are unable to function.
The move would enforce order and effectively allow the detention of people without charges.
Duterte warned he may expand martial law nationwide, which could prove a nightmare for many in the Philippines who lived through the rule of Ferdinand Marcos.
Marcos declared martial law in 1972 and used it to maintain power for more than a decade in which widespread human rights abuses occurred.
Marcos was ousted in a peaceful revolution in 1986 and died in exile three years later.
The president of the Philippines has come under fire for joking about rape in a speech to soldiers.
While speaking at a military camp after imposing martial law across the south of the country, he said they were allowed to rape up to three women.
This was the second rape joke Rodrigo Duterte has been condemned for making since announcing his candidacy.
A human rights group said his comment was "sickening" and Chelsea Clinton tweeted that rape was never funny.
Mr Duterte's words were: "I will be imprisoned for you. If you rape three (women), I will say that I did it. But if you marry four, son of a whore you will be beaten up."
Chelsea Clinton, the daughter of former president Bill Clinton and 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, wrote on Twitter that Mr Duterte was "a murderous thug with no regard for human rights" and that "rape is never a joke".
Phelim Kine of Human Rights Watch said the president's comment was "a sickening attempt at humour" that sent soldiers a signal they could commit rights abuses while enforcing martial law.
He said: "Duterte's pro-rape comments only confirm some of the worst fears of human rights activists that the Duterte government will not just turn a blind eye to possible military abuses in Mindanao, but may actively encourage them."
And a women's political party in the country, Gabriela, said in a statement: "Rape is not a joke. Martial law and the heightened vulnerability to military abuse that it brings to women and children are not a joke either."
Martial law was imposed last week on Mindanao in the south of the Philippines, where Muslim separatists and other rebels are fighting the army.
Last year, Mr Duterte joked about a 1989 rape and murder of an Australian missionary. He said that as mayor of the town where it happened, he should have been "first in line".
His spokesman Ernesto Abella said on Saturday that Mr Duterte was using "heightened bravado", giving "his full support to the men and women in uniform", and "taking complete responsibility for their actions".
feeder wrote: Frazz's mind is like a wiener dog in a rabbit warren. Dark, twisting tunnels, and full of the certainty that just around the next bend will be the quarry he seeks.
2017/05/28 22:13:18
Subject: Re:Things Are Heating Up In The Philippines
As terrorists stormed a Philippine city, President Rodrigo Duterte expanded his powers to new levels, vowing to become “harsher than Marcos”.
Duterte declared martial law across the southern part of the Philippines after Islamic-State linked militants stormed a city, beheaded a police chief and burned down buildings.
Authorities said more than 40 people were killed in the deadly battle when gunmen from the local terrorist organisations Maute Group and Abu Sayyaf rampaged through Marawi city.
During a visit to Moscow, Duterte said he was cutting short his visit to deal with the crisis, and declared martial law in the province of Mindanao.
The President said the influence of Islamic State remained one of the country’s top security concerns and warned martial law could soon be extended across the Philippines.
It comes after he repeatedly threatened to place the south, the scene of decades-long Muslim separatist uprisings, under martial law.
The violence in Marawi erupted on Tuesday after the army raided the hide-out of Isnilon Hapilon, a commander of the Abu Sayyaf militant group who has pledged allegiance to IS.
He is on Washington’s list of most-wanted terrorists with a $5 million reward for information leading to his capture.
The militants called for reinforcements and around 100 gunmen entered Marawi, a mostly Muslim city of 200,000 people on the southern island of Mindanao, Defence Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said.
Rebels torched buildings, took a priest and his worshippers hostage and sealed off much of the city.
The violence forced thousands to flee and raised fears of growing extremism in the country.
At least 44 people have died in the fighting, including 31 militants and 11 soldiers, officials said. President Rodrigo Duterte said a local police chief was stopped at a militant checkpoint and beheaded, and another policeman was also killed.
Human rights groups have expressed fears that martial law powers could further embolden Duterte, whom they have accused of allowing extrajudicial killings of thousands of people in his crackdown on illegal drugs.
The National Union of Peoples’ Lawyers in Manila told the New York Times it appeared to be a sledgehammer, knee-jerk reaction”.
“The recent incidents in Marawi do not justify the shotgun declaration of martial law,” head of the lawyers’ union Ephraim Cortez said.
“The declaration of martial law should be an option of last resort.”
Human Rights Watch warned Duterte’s declaration of martial law threatened to widen the scope of abuse.
Deputy Asia director at HRW Phelim Kine said while Maute and the Islamist armed group Abu Sayyaf threatened the security of people in parts of Mindanao, martial law was a drastic move.
“Duterte’s martial law threatens military abuses in Mindanao that could rival the murderous ‘drug war’ in urban areas,” Mr Kine said.
“It’s crucial that the country’s security forces abide by international law at all times and hold rights violators to account.
“Martial law is not a free pass for abuse.”
HRW also said expanding the military’s legal authority opened the door to increased human rights violations against civilians, “who have long been targets of military abuses”.
Writing in Forbes, international politics, security and political risk expert Anders Corr said the move was extreme and warned Duterte is currently the biggest threat facing the country today.
Mr Corr, whose company, Corr Analytics, provides political risk analysis to commercial, non-profit and media, said Duterte had several other options available to deal with the militants who were nowhere near as powerful as Duterte made out.
“Duterte is on an authoritarian path,” he wrote.
“He reveres the past dictator of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos, who ruled for 21 years and used torture and a brutal martial law to do so. As Duterte insults US presidents Obama and Trump, he openly embraces China and Russia.”
Martial law allows Duterte to use the armed forces to carry out arrests, searches and detentions more rapidly.
The constitution only allows martial law for 60 days in the event of rebellion or invasion.
However Duterte has repeatedly threatened that he is willing to ignore the constitution if he needs to enforce martial law.
He also suggested it could spread even further, sparking fears he may use it to further his hold on power.
“If it would take a year to do it, then we’ll do it. If it’s over within a month, then I’d be happy,” Duterte said in a video posted on Facebook by Mocha Uson, the assistant secretary to the Presidential Communications Operation Office.
“It would not be any different from what President Marcos did. I’d be harsh.”
Mr Lorenzana said that the military will have “control of movement, searches and arrest of detained people”.
It also allows the military to supersede civilian authorities in enforcing the law and permits military courts to try civilians when civil courts are unable to function.
The move would enforce order and effectively allow the detention of people without charges.
Duterte warned he may expand martial law nationwide, which could prove a nightmare for many in the Philippines who lived through the rule of Ferdinand Marcos.
Marcos declared martial law in 1972 and used it to maintain power for more than a decade in which widespread human rights abuses occurred.
Marcos was ousted in a peaceful revolution in 1986 and died in exile three years later.
The president of the Philippines has come under fire for joking about rape in a speech to soldiers.
While speaking at a military camp after imposing martial law across the south of the country, he said they were allowed to rape up to three women.
This was the second rape joke Rodrigo Duterte has been condemned for making since announcing his candidacy.
A human rights group said his comment was "sickening" and Chelsea Clinton tweeted that rape was never funny.
Mr Duterte's words were: "I will be imprisoned for you. If you rape three (women), I will say that I did it. But if you marry four, son of a whore you will be beaten up."
Chelsea Clinton, the daughter of former president Bill Clinton and 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, wrote on Twitter that Mr Duterte was "a murderous thug with no regard for human rights" and that "rape is never a joke".
Phelim Kine of Human Rights Watch said the president's comment was "a sickening attempt at humour" that sent soldiers a signal they could commit rights abuses while enforcing martial law.
He said: "Duterte's pro-rape comments only confirm some of the worst fears of human rights activists that the Duterte government will not just turn a blind eye to possible military abuses in Mindanao, but may actively encourage them."
And a women's political party in the country, Gabriela, said in a statement: "Rape is not a joke. Martial law and the heightened vulnerability to military abuse that it brings to women and children are not a joke either."
Martial law was imposed last week on Mindanao in the south of the Philippines, where Muslim separatists and other rebels are fighting the army.
Last year, Mr Duterte joked about a 1989 rape and murder of an Australian missionary. He said that as mayor of the town where it happened, he should have been "first in line".
His spokesman Ernesto Abella said on Saturday that Mr Duterte was using "heightened bravado", giving "his full support to the men and women in uniform", and "taking complete responsibility for their actions".
Ah, it's Godzilla vs King Gihdorah in the Philippines. Whoever wins, we Lose.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
2017/05/28 22:39:42
Subject: Re:Things Are Heating Up In The Philippines
As terrorists stormed a Philippine city, President Rodrigo Duterte expanded his powers to new levels, vowing to become “harsher than Marcos”.
Duterte declared martial law across the southern part of the Philippines after Islamic-State linked militants stormed a city, beheaded a police chief and burned down buildings.
Authorities said more than 40 people were killed in the deadly battle when gunmen from the local terrorist organisations Maute Group and Abu Sayyaf rampaged through Marawi city.
During a visit to Moscow, Duterte said he was cutting short his visit to deal with the crisis, and declared martial law in the province of Mindanao.
The President said the influence of Islamic State remained one of the country’s top security concerns and warned martial law could soon be extended across the Philippines.
It comes after he repeatedly threatened to place the south, the scene of decades-long Muslim separatist uprisings, under martial law.
The violence in Marawi erupted on Tuesday after the army raided the hide-out of Isnilon Hapilon, a commander of the Abu Sayyaf militant group who has pledged allegiance to IS.
He is on Washington’s list of most-wanted terrorists with a $5 million reward for information leading to his capture.
The militants called for reinforcements and around 100 gunmen entered Marawi, a mostly Muslim city of 200,000 people on the southern island of Mindanao, Defence Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said.
Rebels torched buildings, took a priest and his worshippers hostage and sealed off much of the city.
The violence forced thousands to flee and raised fears of growing extremism in the country.
At least 44 people have died in the fighting, including 31 militants and 11 soldiers, officials said. President Rodrigo Duterte said a local police chief was stopped at a militant checkpoint and beheaded, and another policeman was also killed.
Human rights groups have expressed fears that martial law powers could further embolden Duterte, whom they have accused of allowing extrajudicial killings of thousands of people in his crackdown on illegal drugs.
The National Union of Peoples’ Lawyers in Manila told the New York Times it appeared to be a sledgehammer, knee-jerk reaction”.
“The recent incidents in Marawi do not justify the shotgun declaration of martial law,” head of the lawyers’ union Ephraim Cortez said.
“The declaration of martial law should be an option of last resort.”
Human Rights Watch warned Duterte’s declaration of martial law threatened to widen the scope of abuse.
Deputy Asia director at HRW Phelim Kine said while Maute and the Islamist armed group Abu Sayyaf threatened the security of people in parts of Mindanao, martial law was a drastic move.
“Duterte’s martial law threatens military abuses in Mindanao that could rival the murderous ‘drug war’ in urban areas,” Mr Kine said.
“It’s crucial that the country’s security forces abide by international law at all times and hold rights violators to account.
“Martial law is not a free pass for abuse.”
HRW also said expanding the military’s legal authority opened the door to increased human rights violations against civilians, “who have long been targets of military abuses”.
Writing in Forbes, international politics, security and political risk expert Anders Corr said the move was extreme and warned Duterte is currently the biggest threat facing the country today.
Mr Corr, whose company, Corr Analytics, provides political risk analysis to commercial, non-profit and media, said Duterte had several other options available to deal with the militants who were nowhere near as powerful as Duterte made out.
“Duterte is on an authoritarian path,” he wrote.
“He reveres the past dictator of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos, who ruled for 21 years and used torture and a brutal martial law to do so. As Duterte insults US presidents Obama and Trump, he openly embraces China and Russia.”
Martial law allows Duterte to use the armed forces to carry out arrests, searches and detentions more rapidly.
The constitution only allows martial law for 60 days in the event of rebellion or invasion.
However Duterte has repeatedly threatened that he is willing to ignore the constitution if he needs to enforce martial law.
He also suggested it could spread even further, sparking fears he may use it to further his hold on power.
“If it would take a year to do it, then we’ll do it. If it’s over within a month, then I’d be happy,” Duterte said in a video posted on Facebook by Mocha Uson, the assistant secretary to the Presidential Communications Operation Office.
“It would not be any different from what President Marcos did. I’d be harsh.”
Mr Lorenzana said that the military will have “control of movement, searches and arrest of detained people”.
It also allows the military to supersede civilian authorities in enforcing the law and permits military courts to try civilians when civil courts are unable to function.
The move would enforce order and effectively allow the detention of people without charges.
Duterte warned he may expand martial law nationwide, which could prove a nightmare for many in the Philippines who lived through the rule of Ferdinand Marcos.
Marcos declared martial law in 1972 and used it to maintain power for more than a decade in which widespread human rights abuses occurred.
Marcos was ousted in a peaceful revolution in 1986 and died in exile three years later.
The president of the Philippines has come under fire for joking about rape in a speech to soldiers.
While speaking at a military camp after imposing martial law across the south of the country, he said they were allowed to rape up to three women.
This was the second rape joke Rodrigo Duterte has been condemned for making since announcing his candidacy.
A human rights group said his comment was "sickening" and Chelsea Clinton tweeted that rape was never funny.
Mr Duterte's words were: "I will be imprisoned for you. If you rape three (women), I will say that I did it. But if you marry four, son of a whore you will be beaten up."
Chelsea Clinton, the daughter of former president Bill Clinton and 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, wrote on Twitter that Mr Duterte was "a murderous thug with no regard for human rights" and that "rape is never a joke".
Phelim Kine of Human Rights Watch said the president's comment was "a sickening attempt at humour" that sent soldiers a signal they could commit rights abuses while enforcing martial law.
He said: "Duterte's pro-rape comments only confirm some of the worst fears of human rights activists that the Duterte government will not just turn a blind eye to possible military abuses in Mindanao, but may actively encourage them."
And a women's political party in the country, Gabriela, said in a statement: "Rape is not a joke. Martial law and the heightened vulnerability to military abuse that it brings to women and children are not a joke either."
Martial law was imposed last week on Mindanao in the south of the Philippines, where Muslim separatists and other rebels are fighting the army.
Last year, Mr Duterte joked about a 1989 rape and murder of an Australian missionary. He said that as mayor of the town where it happened, he should have been "first in line".
His spokesman Ernesto Abella said on Saturday that Mr Duterte was using "heightened bravado", giving "his full support to the men and women in uniform", and "taking complete responsibility for their actions".
Ah, it's Godzilla vs King Gihdorah in the Philippines. Whoever wins, we Lose.
Much as the president is not exactly nice n western friendly.
Its him or let a bunch of behading lunitics get a regional foot hold...
Nope. They cannot be allowed to gain a infrastructure, and eventual cash flow etc.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
NinthMusketeer wrote: While hardly desirable I would lean heavily towards maintaining the current government as the better (or perhaps "less bad" is more accurate) outcome.
One is less likely to mount attacks on anyone around them.
The president is not nice, but as we learnt, borders and such are no barriers to Islamic states desire to build a caliphate of brutality.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I distrust leaders who have private death squads and thousand man paramilitary 'bodyguards'.
Not seeing who elected the Islamic terrorists. Therefore its "Third World Democracy vs. Islamoterrorists."
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Easy E wrote: Or we could do what you usually want us to do Frazzled, Nothing.
Is this intance different?
I am not advocating we do anything different. I am saying that just because someone doesn't like who they voted for well tough gak. Its still a democracy vs. a group that is cutting off people's heads and gak.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2017/05/30 13:56:48
Subject: Re:Things Are Heating Up In The Philippines
Spinner wrote: The democracy is has also been using death squads.
There doesn't have to be a good guy here.
I'd proffer the nonterrorist Filipinos are.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2017/05/30 14:21:09
Subject: Re:Things Are Heating Up In The Philippines
Obviously the civilians caught in the middle aren't the problem here.
Duterte's running a country where you can get executed for smoking a joint, or for being a political opponent or inconvenient journalist who can have a joint planted on their corpse. He would have shot The Dude in the back of the head. He's actually a pretty big proponent for the use of violence and fear to achieve political goals. I will never understand the amount of people willing to look the other way for this guy.
2017/06/01 20:07:50
Subject: Re:Things Are Heating Up In The Philippines
The popular Philippine tourist site Resorts World Manila was on lockdown after reports of gunfire and explosions at the sprawling complex.
Hundreds of guests and employees rushed out of one of the hotels after a masked gunman on the second floor began firing at guests, hotel employees fleeing the scene told CNN Philippines.
Heavily-armed SWAT officers wearing bulletproof vests and body armor descended on the scene, Camille Abadicio of CNN Philippines said. Video showed smoke coming from the upper floors of buildings.
Emergency responders tend to a victim Friday at the Resorts World Manila.
Jay Dones, a witness on the scene, said the incident started around midnight Thursday (noon ET) and that some employees said the gunmen fired shots in the air.
"I spoke with some of the employees earlier and many of them say they saw at least two, two suspects, armed with long firearms wearing all black." Dones said. "One of them was carrying a bottle. One of the employees told me that the suspect began pouring the contents of the bottle on one of the tables and lit it on fire."
Tikos Low said he was in the resort's casino, along with a few hundred other people, when the attack began. Low said he heard what sounded like an explosion.
"I could smell some kind of smoke that came from an explosive device," he said.
Several hours later, witnesses on the scene said the shooting had stopped. No one has claimed responsibility for the attack.
It was not immediately clear how many people may have been injured or killed in the attack.
The Philippines Red Cross tweeted that it had transported three people from the resort to hospitals.
Dones said emergency personnel said they had treated people for smoke inhalation and bruises, but not for gunshot wounds.
All terminals at Ninoy Aquino International Airport were placed on lockdown because of the attack, according to Robert Echano with airport operations. The airport is about a mile away from the resort.
Resort Chief Operating Officer Stephen Reilly confirmed shots were fired, but did not give details on how many gunmen might be inside.
"We are still investigating the situation," Reilly said in a statement. "We are searching the area as much as we can to make sure the building is clear."
In Quezon City, one of the municipalities in metro Manila, Police District Director Guillermo Eleazar ordered all 12 police stations in the city to set up checkpoints and to maximize police visibility. All mobile patrol units and tactical motorized units of QCPD have been deployed to secure the city.
Eleazar also called on the public to remain calm and to refrain from spreading unverified information and to be vigilant at all times.
Resorts World Manila, also known as RWM, is a resort complex in Newport City, a residential and commercial center in metropolitan Manila.
The sprawling complex has an array of hotels, restaurants and bars. Tourists flock to the complex for its casino, cinema and stores, which include several Western retailers such as Hugo Boss, Lacoste and Kate Spade.
The complex, which is described on RWM's website as "the first and largest integrated resort in the Philippines," is across from Ninoy Aquino International Airport.
Shortly after the incident began, the US State Department warned citizens to avoid the area.
The Philippines has been grappling with incidents of terrorism, especially on the southern island of Mindanao. There, in the city of Marawi, government forces have been battling ISIS-linked militants for control of the city.
The battle for Marawi, a largely Muslim city, has displaced at least 70,000 residents and left 140 people dead. The terrorist siege began last week, just as Muslims worldwide started to mark the holy month of Ramadan.
Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte declared martial law over the island of Mindanao in light of the crisis. Duterte also suggested he might extend martial law through year's end or impose it nationwide, alarming critics.
Look like things are escalating over there.
2017/06/03 17:56:34
Subject: Re:Things Are Heating Up In The Philippines
It's political terrorists versus religious terrorists.
Sit back and watch the fur fly! Marvel as Duterte hacks the hands and heads off children, while ISIS follows it up with a hotel bombing and a poison gas attack.
Welcome to the replacement for Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey. Three Ring Circus of Dearth
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
2017/06/03 19:20:27
Subject: Re:Things Are Heating Up In The Philippines
From what I have seen and its admittedly not much, the MNLF havent really come out in this one, but I had heard they are going after the Abu Sayyaf Group. The MNLF are part of an overall Islamic govt for the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao and are not too keen on smaller groups upsetting things. The Abu Sayyaf have mostly been a criminal gang and not particularly "Islamic" since Janjalani's death. ISIS is likely just a cover and maybe a little extra resources for smaller groups. The MNLF could be decisive in the govt's favor if they do enter the fight.
2017/06/03 19:30:00
Subject: Re:Things Are Heating Up In The Philippines
It's political terrorists versus religious terrorists.
Sit back and watch the fur fly! Marvel as Duterte hacks the hands and heads off children, while ISIS follows it up with a hotel bombing and a poison gas attack.
Welcome to the replacement for Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey. Three Ring Circus of Dearth
You know how US likes weapons testing...
Desert testing been covered, ideal time for jungle/hot climate weapons training and experience.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
I'll just throw in my two cents and say that they're both in the wrong: One stands as a cruel result of United States political intervention and capitalist exploitation, while the other serves as an extreme reaction to the oppression present in that aforementioned climate. Draws alarming parallels to cold-war era Latin America and the Middle East.
2017/06/03 20:49:55
Subject: Re:Things Are Heating Up In The Philippines
It's political terrorists versus religious terrorists.
Sit back and watch the fur fly! Marvel as Duterte hacks the hands and heads off children, while ISIS follows it up with a hotel bombing and a poison gas attack.
Welcome to the replacement for Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey. Three Ring Circus of Dearth
You know how US likes weapons testing...
Desert testing been covered, ideal time for jungle/hot climate weapons training and experience.
Oh and yeah.
Those old gubs work perfectly fine and are battle proven and tested weapon systems globally.
That BAR is a solid but of kit throwing out heavy 7mm+ full battle rifle ammmo.
Thompson has close ranges but if you hit someone full auto with .45 ACP that person will be very dead
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
2017/06/04 00:27:51
Subject: Re:Things Are Heating Up In The Philippines
Aetare wrote: I'll just throw in my two cents and say that they're both in the wrong: One stands as a cruel result of United States political intervention and capitalist exploitation, while the other serves as an extreme reaction to the oppression present in that aforementioned climate. Draws alarming parallels to cold-war era Latin America and the Middle East.
We all agree they are both in the wrong, there is simply some discussion on if it's worth siding with the government as the lesser evil.
Frazzled wrote: I am not advocating we do anything different. I am saying that just because someone doesn't like who they voted for well tough gak. Its still a democracy vs. a group that is cutting off people's heads and gak.
I'm not gonna try and make an argument about ISIS vs Duterte, because the hell if I know to be honest*. But I will comment on your argument that democracy is just about who won the election. That is arguing for the rule of the mob, and it's a terrible way to do things. Democracy also includes the rule of law, that even people elected to the highest positions of power are still bounded by legal restrictions and are still accountable to judicial and legislative processes.
*Duterte is dangerous because he has a large share of the electorate behind him, in support of his brutal policies. ISIS are dangerous because they don't care about winning support and that makes them capable of anything. Hell if I can figure out which of those two things is scarier.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
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