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I think the biggest strength of Razorwing flocks now is that they move 12" and can fly. It means they can actually keep up with the rest of my army (jetbikes are life) and can engage shooting units to stunt enemy shooting
Any damage they deal should just be an added bonus

But sadly, my 8 flocks are probably going to take a seat on the shelf for now

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I think they can be viable only in a full wych cult themed army in which beasts are still necessary. Not spammed in huge numbers of course, 2x12 at most, plus beastmasters. Other than that drukhari have better options.

 blackmage wrote:

dont worry brimstones will be fixed soon and SR spam got a big hit as well, now the turn you have only flyers on the table you lost, so you need to rethink ur 5-6 storm raven list, keeping in mind if also you find a solution to still field 5 SR. Gw can take some other step to make them harder to play in large number, so build up ur costly list but be aware that could quickly be destroyed...spam in mass isn't fun and lead the game towards who have more money to build an army, players skills means nothing when you play 250 brimstone or things like that and behind tons of characters unkillable, cause they cant be charged or shooted....so tysm Gw.

Don't worry, you can still get 5 stormravens's, 144 conscripts, 1 lord commissar and a company commander in 2000 points, with a nice and handy 7CP

I'm pleased with the FAQ. I have always preferred to run 2 Khymerae as my Ynnari soulburst units but knew I was being sub-optimal- it's nice to have that annoyance alleviated. But I wouldn't be surprised if Khymerae get changed to 6-12 unit size or something similar.

I would've prefered a stat decrease rather than a point increase. Now it's just another expensive model in a list of... expensive models. 14pts might also be too much for the statline.

They were for sure too good.

I'm still going to field mine, 3 units of 3 have proven to be pretty handy in a number of situations and I'll gladly pay 63 extra points for the same. Glad the people who ran out and bought 300 of them got screwed though.

 Oaka wrote:
I'm pleased with the FAQ. I have always preferred to run 2 Khymerae as my Ynnari soulburst units but knew I was being sub-optimal- it's nice to have that annoyance alleviated. But I wouldn't be surprised if Khymerae get changed to 6-12 unit size or something similar.

Khymerae are actually a horrible unit it use as soulburst fuel. You don't get soulburst from units that die from running away. A clever opponent can dedicate just enough fire power to kill 1 Khymerae and force the other to run from Morale. Unless you are taking an LD9 Beastmaster or Yncarne, but at that point you are taking a big hit on points efficiency for the Khymerae. Of course Razorwings are now worse since you have to take 3 minimum, but at least Razorwings are a big more points efficient in bigger units that actually merit taking a Beastmaster.
But I do miss my 7E single Khymerae units.

the_scotsman wrote:
Glad the people who ran out and bought 300 of them got screwed though.

I don't think you should be glad they got screwed. Pity is a better word. Spam lists never last and GW has been making quick changes lately, so why anyone would buy more than a few units of something is just poor planning

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 Galef wrote:

 Oaka wrote:
I'm pleased with the FAQ. I have always preferred to run 2 Khymerae as my Ynnari soulburst units but knew I was being sub-optimal- it's nice to have that annoyance alleviated. But I wouldn't be surprised if Khymerae get changed to 6-12 unit size or something similar.

the_scotsman wrote:
Glad the people who ran out and bought 300 of them got screwed though.

I don't think you should be glad they got screwed. Pity is a better word. Spam lists never last and GW has been making quick changes lately, so why anyone would buy more than a few units of something is just poor planning

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Nawp. I have to try and maintain a player group in the real world, and every time people see someone running something ultra skewy and cheesy they form the opinion that that's condoned/encouraged by the group as a whole. Every time someone makes a several hundred dollar purchase purely in the interest of running a list that will actively drive people away from where they play, I cheer when that purchase is made useless. It means another couple weeks before they can ebay it all and return with the next obnoxious flavor of the month.

I don't hate on tournament players who are only looking for competitive matches, they're fine. They turn up for a couple weeks preceding a major event, only play each other, and then disappear again. But for every guy who shows up every week playing one-note spam just looking to stomp people, you have to consider that they're 8-10 actually enjoyable players that they've driven away with their bullgak. And if they have any chance of losing because their list isn't best-of-the-best, they generally don't show up at all.

Kdash wrote:

 blackmage wrote:

dont worry brimstones will be fixed soon and SR spam got a big hit as well, now the turn you have only flyers on the table you lost, so you need to rethink ur 5-6 storm raven list, keeping in mind if also you find a solution to still field 5 SR. Gw can take some other step to make them harder to play in large number, so build up ur costly list but be aware that could quickly be destroyed...spam in mass isn't fun and lead the game towards who have more money to build an army, players skills means nothing when you play 250 brimstone or things like that and behind tons of characters unkillable, cause they cant be charged or shooted....so tysm Gw.

Don't worry, you can still get 5 stormravens's, 144 conscripts, 1 lord commissar and a company commander in 2000 points, with a nice and handy 7CP

If you're playing in a tournament and face that, you have it coming, since you're probably there to win yourself.

If you're not playing in a tournament, you should ask what the feth your opponent is doing, pulling out a list like that, and then just scoop up your models and walk away from the table.

the_scotsman wrote:
I'm still going to field mine, 3 units of 3 have proven to be pretty handy in a number of situations and I'll gladly pay 63 extra points for the same. Glad the people who ran out and bought 300 of them got screwed though.

people didn't even buy 300 gw models they bought 300 zombicide models and I'm sure the people at cmon are going like wtf why are the murder of crows the best selling zombicide expansion!!!!

Kdash wrote:

 blackmage wrote:

dont worry brimstones will be fixed soon and SR spam got a big hit as well, now the turn you have only flyers on the table you lost, so you need to rethink ur 5-6 storm raven list, keeping in mind if also you find a solution to still field 5 SR. Gw can take some other step to make them harder to play in large number, so build up ur costly list but be aware that could quickly be destroyed...spam in mass isn't fun and lead the game towards who have more money to build an army, players skills means nothing when you play 250 brimstone or things like that and behind tons of characters unkillable, cause they cant be charged or shooted....so tysm Gw.

Don't worry, you can still get 5 stormravens's, 144 conscripts, 1 lord commissar and a company commander in 2000 points, with a nice and handy 7CP

oh yes i know i just played against a list like that , still strong but now some lists would have a chance, my demons always handle 4-5 stormravens pre and post faq, but now for example army list like orks stand a chance, pre faq they just lost.btw looks like GW has will to destroy extreme lists so be warned buy tons of SR they might become useless

 Galef wrote:

 Oaka wrote:
I'm pleased with the FAQ. I have always preferred to run 2 Khymerae as my Ynnari soulburst units but knew I was being sub-optimal- it's nice to have that annoyance alleviated. But I wouldn't be surprised if Khymerae get changed to 6-12 unit size or something similar.

Khymerae are actually a horrible unit it use as soulburst fuel. You don't get soulburst from units that die from running away. A clever opponent can dedicate just enough fire power to kill 1 Khymerae and force the other to run from Morale. Unless you are taking an LD9 Beastmaster or Yncarne, but at that point you are taking a big hit on points efficiency for the Khymerae. Of course Razorwings are now worse since you have to take 3 minimum, but at least Razorwings are a big more points efficient in bigger units that actually merit taking a Beastmaster.
But I do miss my 7E single Khymerae units.
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Horrible is a strong word, for sure. Of course I run beastmasters, and also Yncarne sometimes. It is difficult to dedicate the firepower to kill just one, and as an emergency I have on a couple occasions used a command point to reroll a passed invuln save to kill off the second. I think 20-point 2 wound units are more reliable than the now-FAQed 42-point flocks.