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The lootaz - burnaz box advice is very good! I definetly will do it.

May be it's OT but since a good conversation about strategy is going on I'll ask:
what about CC burnaz? On paper - because I have little to none experience yet - you could put them into a trukk, move them using the auto-hit 8' range, deploy and charge medium Sv stuff with AP-2.
Still better using tankbustas?
Considering 14pts for a burna and 17 for a tankbusta with rokkit launcha.

To be a little on thread too... the battlewagon seems really good in game, what about the model?
Is something worth taking?

 Oldboy666 wrote:
The lootaz - burnaz box advice is very good! I definetly will do it.

May be it's OT but since a good conversation about strategy is going on I'll ask:
what about CC burnaz? On paper - because I have little to none experience yet - you could put them into a trukk, move them using the auto-hit 8' range, deploy and charge medium Sv stuff with AP-2.

In theory, that's how they are supposed to work. In practice the unit and the transport is very expensive, harmless at a distance and very easy to kill. So your opponent can pretty much wait as long as possible an then simply blow them away.
A unit of shoota boyz does everything they do, with more range and more wounds.

Still better using tankbustas?

Considering 14pts for a burna and 17 for a tankbusta with rokkit launcha.

24" range and AP-2 on a shooting attack are way better than 8" and AP-2 on the CC attacks.

To be a little on thread too... the battlewagon seems really good in game, what about the model?
Is something worth taking?

Currently they are a bit overpriced. In previous editions you had three at 1500 and four at 2000, which is hard to do right now because they cost at least 180. Either you have too few battlewagons or too little support or your passengers don't pack enough of a punch. Also buff auras are weird in battlewagon lists.
If they get cheaper they will see more play again.

For people just starting their collection, I usually discourage buying a single battlewagon, because one is none. It will probably die during turn two or three from your opponent's anti-tank and leave you frustrated because your new awesome model didn't get to run something over.
If you are will to buy two or even three at once, go for it.
Make sure to buy the deff rolla sprue - if you do, put the grot that comes with it on a base to have a brand new grot oiler to run with your big mek.

If you wanna go CC you have better options as burnas and you need that transporter.
Modelwise they are really cool. Back in the days when i bought my first box i built burnas instead of lootas because they look(ed) awesome.
You can also use the burnas for kombiweapons, which got better (but more expensive). Nob bikas, nobs or for your HQ`s.
On bike each nob gets up to 14 shots (6 Dakka Gun, D6 Burna and 2 for the kombishoota) plus decent CC.

And lets be honest, well equipped nobs belong to an ork army like sand belongs to the beach, especially if you don`t care about beeing all competetive.

As for the battlewaggon: Model looks great, good idea would be to have some biz to customise.
You can always combine it with other 40k models, regular tank models or even toys that have the right size.
This is one of the biggest advantages of playing orks, use it!


Since we will get new rules with chapter approved and hopefully the new codex 2018 you can not know what will be good and what will get worse.
So i wouldn`t care too much about rules overall and just get the stuff you like.
Some vehicles, some walkers and some infantry this should keep you busy for a while.
After that you can still see where you`re going with them boys.

Maybe you consider magnetising models like Gorkanaut / Morkanaut, deffdreads, kans and vehicles?
New rules / editions tend to change some models / rules and you often see many players change their weapons.

I play barebones BW with just the mandatory big shoota. Def rollas are nice but they become too expensive (both in terms of money and points and scratch building them is more difficult than build the vehicle itself), even if you run 3 you may have only one in close combat since a decent anti-tank can easily wreck a couple of them in the first turns.

However if you play smaller games, like 1000 points even a single wagon can be decent. About the model, it's amazing but orks are a customizable army, I think there should never be two identical models in the army. I recommend to buy 1-2 and to scratch built the other ones. Same for the trukks. A unique army is always a great reward, and scratch building stuff also means tons of money saved but more time required.

Like Grotrebel I also advise to magnetize each model that is expensive (in terms of money) and can have different loadout. Vehicles, walkers and artillery for the orks. Maybe even nobz.

Grotrebel wrote:If you wanna go CC you have better options as burnas and you need that transporter.
Modelwise they are really cool. Back in the days when i bought my first box i built burnas instead of lootas because they look(ed) awesome.
You can also use the burnas for kombiweapons, which got better (but more expensive). Nob bikas, nobs or for your HQ`s.
On bike each nob gets up to 14 shots (6 Dakka Gun, D6 Burna and 2 for the kombishoota) plus decent CC.

I would heavily discourage cannibalizing burnaz for combi-skorchas. First of all, they don't look that great at all (skorchas and burnaz don't look alike), and second you can easily make any shoota look like a combi-skorcha by adding extra bits like bike, trukk or walker exhaust pipes, small fuel tanks or even sprue with holes drilled in it.
My biker warboss (AOBR boss on chaos marine bike) has the small fuel tank bit that normally goes on the trukk engine attached to his shoota and painted accordingly. My biker nobz have skorchas build out of exhaust pipes from the warbiker kit and a little greenstuff.

If you don't like kitbashing, the kombi-skorcha bit from the nobz box is available for less than $2 on ebay, don't waste perfectly fine models.

Since GW is planning on rebalancing points once a year plus most likely dropping a codex within a year, there is no telling how good they might be this time next year. Don't cut them up for upgrades that can easily be built and aren't that great anyways.

I'm a noob, I'm discovering old stuff maybe... but f**k today arrived straight from Royal Mail da Vulcha Skwad.
I love the stormboys models but the "finecast" Zagstruk is a pain in the ass...
Is it more detailed than the normal plastic stuff? I don't know. May be before i had to finish to sculpt it between all the sprue that remained on the model...
Thanks GW, now I have the experitse to be hired in a chinese factory... I no more fear unemployment...

Email customer service a picture of the green stuffed model, perhaps they'll send you a second one to fix up too.

 Oldboy666 wrote:
I'm a noob, I'm discovering old stuff maybe... but f**k today arrived straight from Royal Mail da Vulcha Skwad.
I love the stormboys models but the "finecast" Zagstruk is a pain in the ass...
Is it more detailed than the normal plastic stuff? I don't know. May be before i had to finish to sculpt it between all the sprue that remained on the model...
Thanks GW, now I have the experitse to be hired in a chinese factory... I no more fear unemployment...

I can only advice hunting down the metal models on ebay - all (ork) finecast models were previous available as metal models. They can be a pain in the rear to glue together, but the quality of the model is leagues better than junk they call finecast.

That or use plastic models from the AoS, WHFB or third party producers for any models you want.

Avoid finecast especially on weirdboyz, from what I have experienced and gathered from other ork players only one in about five is without error and half of those with error are bent so badly out of shape that it's impossible to assemble properly.

I have a finecast Thrakka - I traded in two models before that and my current one still has holes. I only kept him because they look like bullet holes in his armor and I didn't want to wait for a new one again.

I managed to clean it up almost to perfection but the stuff it is made (is it resin?) is very malleable. Really impractical.
It was in a bundle with 15 stormboys and practically free so I don't complain too much, but I'll surely try to avoid finecast models from now on.
The shape however is beautiful. I have a lot of stuff to paint and I'll leave it last to use all my improvements.