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I'm not entirely sure what you are getting at? Chaos as whole isn't particularly scary, it's mostly like 1-2 units from demons renegades combining to wreck face. I wouldn't mind those issue being fixed, brimstones having something happen and the malefic lords are also a bit silly atm if that's what you mean.

Generally speaking, if you just play pure CSM you will probably have roughly what you want. Pure CSM has good tools but they are a bit tricky and one dimensional, particularly compared to some of what normal SM have to offer, not to mention the gap between the DG codex and BA/DA is rather hilarious when you look at what the various armies lose compared to their parent army.

It's only renegades and/or demons (well, and Magnus) that really push the power level of chaos up as a high as it is, which is kinda funny given they don't have codices, but honestly that's the same situation as last edition. CSM just went from amongst the worst to the lower middle in 8th, and given how codices are looking atm I expect they will end up gradually falling lower and lower.

TBH, Brims would be fine if they just didn't get the Ethereal Form rule (so they had a 5++ instead of 4++). If it were me designing them, I'd actually have them gave a rule where at the end of each turn, D3 brimstones in each unit burn out (after the Morale casualties were determined).

they should not be a unit we see vast numbers of, they should be included for fun and fluff.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

Mutilators suck, but that's a problem of the concept of the unit that simply cannot work.

I don't know...i'm warming up to them at the new point cost. I'm sitting on them until the Thousand Sons book pops up, but there are a few builds you can lean into to make them a good back field concern.

Now only if there were a model I liked for them...


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 Nym wrote:

 Eihnlazer wrote:
Oblits would be too strong with lazcannons/multi-meltas. They are honestly a bit too strong right now if used with alpha legion infiltrate.

Are you sure you're talking about Chaos Obliterators ?

Their current weapon is miles better than a Lascannon or Multi-melta and no one ever uses Alpha Legion's Forward Operatives on Obliterators since they can Deepstrike...

-1 it to hit from AL. They're also Daemon so throw in the Changeling for -2 to hit....for now anyway...