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It wouldn't overly bother me personally as long as it's not being abused. If it's really an issue, put Morty on a big tall scenic base.

 Irbis wrote:

 Blackie wrote:
I'd also accept offical older models. So if there's an official Mortarion which is also quite smaller than the current one it would be ok for me. If GW releases new huge Ghaz and Grotsnik I'll continue play with the original models since those obsession for huge centerpiece models is ruining the game IMHO.

Except GW makes new rules for models that 'grew' in size giving them something more befitting their new station. It would count doubly with Ork characters, who grow stronger and tougher with size, or say new Abaddon model after powerup in the wake of 13th black crusade, so using old model in that situation would be pure cheating for advantage unless you also use old rules. These wouldn't be even remotely the 'same' characters despite sharing the name, much like you can't use Sergeant Culln model for the Leviathan dreadnought Culln entry, it's different unit now, and besides, even if you tried to argue otherwise the size is a factor in balancing too.

IMHO official models, even OOP ones, are and will always be legal. Conversions and scratch built models must be the same size of the original ones.

I certainly prefer fighting against the FW Mortarion than a SM army with twin heavy bolters (or lascannons) razorbacks that should count as twin assault cannons. WYSIWYG is more important to me. But I have to admit, there aren't WAAC players here, modelling for advantage is not a thing in my meta. Proxying for advantage is though, and I can't stand players with 3000+ points of miniatures that regularly proxy to have a more competitive list, especially if they can be good anyway.

There is a slight difference, in my opinion, between not wanting to spend hundreds of dollars buying expensive FW bits that have to be shipped overseas and undertaking a pretty big modeling project wherein you'll be ripping off old bits and ruining paintjobs solely for an extremely minor cosmetic change to appease someone who personally feels like you haven't spent enough to "earn" the right to run the list you wanna run (and even says that buying 3,000+ points worth of models basically isn't good enough, you have to do more), and using an infantry-sized figure to represent a gargantuan-sized creature, usually with rules to match their stature. I find it hilarious that the latter is seen as "not a big deal" and that people are putting forth disingenuous arguments about how it somehow affects you just as badly (because losing range on a gakky pistol weapon that your giant melee-monster almost has an afterthought is totally comparable to your opponent not being able to effectively counter the unit at all with weapons that were made to be used against it), but simply saying "The razorbacks have assault cannons" is somehow far more offensive or irritating to people, and seen as gaining a much more obvious "advantage" over using a tiny model to represent a literal monster.

I don't see the logic in saying that WYSIWYG is more important or implying that the example given with razorbacks is somehow a worse issue. That's not "modeling for advantage", not only are both weapons similar in size to begin with but a weapon's size has almost no effect whatsoever on how it functions. The only case I can really think of is if you modeled the weapon on a really tall turret so that you could draw LOS over obstacles and terrain you normally wouldn't be able to, and that kind of thing should be pretty obvious to spot before a game even begins anyway. No, the issue is almost entirely the rules given to the weapons, with some being obviously better or more worth using than others, which is GW's fault more than anything else and players shouldn't be demonized for realizing their points are better spent on certain options. But they're not skirting around rules or bending/breaking them, they're just using one standard codex option over another that just so happens not to have bits to represent it in the official kit. And if it's really that big of an issue then why isn't the assault cannon just "banned" outright so no one can use it? You realize it's kinda silly to insinuate that the weapon is overpowered or unbalanced, but then imply that it should only be used by people who are willing to spend the money representing it with "official" bits...I mean it's literally "pay to win" in that case. It shows me that you don't really have a problem with assault cannon razorbacks, just the thought of dirty poor-people using them with unofficial bits or proxies.

As for the OP's question, if it wasn't apparent, no I wouldn't be okay with it. It would either have to be put on the same base size and assumed to have the same silhouette, or you'd have to use the official model (or use the other model's rules, which I'm assuming are nowhere near as impressive as the daemon form's or you would just be running the other model as-is). There's too much of a size-difference between the two models and you would be gaining an obvious advantage from using the smaller model to represent the larger one. Although it should be said that this kind of thing is usually a case-by-case basis and I don't usually have a problem with people doing that type of thing so long as it isn't done clearly just for an advantage. If some considerable effort went into converting the model to look bigger or more daemonic and it was put on a scenic base then I might not be opposed to it as much.

Yeah sorry you can't just substitute FW mortarion and magnus in 40k without considerable conversion (as in add another kit to increase stature) work, the size difference is just too big even if you use a correct size base.

In fact if you really just liked the 30k Mortarion model that much you would probably have a far easier time using him as a proxy for Typhus. I'd say judging from the look of them they're decently comparable in size and I don't imagine many people being opposed to it as a stand-in. But what the OP is suggesting would be like if I wanted to run a stormsurge in my Tau army but used a crisis suit to proxy for it instead, and I know for a fact that if I tried that back in 7th edition at least, not only would I have been told flat-out "No", but I'm sure people would have had more than a few choice words about how I was trying to cheese out my already oppressive army and eke out that much more of an advantage that I didn't need.

I really don't understand what the issue is even at a competitive event.

Use the right size base, and whenever your opponent wants to shoot him, just imaging that they are drawing line of sight to a daemon primarch motarian shaped model. I'm sure that's not too difficult for them. If budget isnt a concern then have a spare daemon mortarion available to do accurate checking. Alternatively just tell your opponent that they have universal line of sight to him from every point on the board (then you using this model actually benefits them).

Anyone who has a problem past that, is just being an arse.

Would you inversely be ok with me using the plastic Mortarion or Guilliman (Plague Marines, etc..) in a 30K game if I am not a fan of the FW stuff?

OP should really just ask his local TO's or ask opponents before games if they would be okay with him using a much smaller proxy and have a back-up plan in case they say no (which I guess would either be using the official model or just not using Mortarion). Ultimately it doesn't really matter what the internet says about it because we're not the ones playing against you, and it's not like we can necessarily force your community to play a certain way, either.

 Earth127 wrote:
Yeah sorry you can't just substitute FW mortarion and magnus in 40k without considerable conversion (as in add another kit to increase stature) work, the size difference is just too big even if you use a correct size base.

According to who? Is there an official ruling on this. or is this just your opinion?

The problem is size. Morty is a big charecter but no where near 40k plastic version.

He alot taller,.

Maybe convert somthing of a more similar scale and base size.