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 Kanluwen wrote:

Darsath wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
As cool as they look, yeah GW needed to get all armies into 8th edition before releasing a new army.

Disagree.

It doesn't take a whole lot for them to "get all armies into 8th edition". Doing actual semi-new stuff lets the writers do things that isn't just effectively revising/editing work.

If it doesn't take long, then they should be getting them out first instead of re-directing those resources to making newer power-armoured dudes.

We've gotten 8 armies(Craftworld, Guard, Mechanicus, Marines, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Chaos Marines, and Death Guard) since 8th edition dropped. We have another army going up for preorder today and two more armies(1 new, 1 revised Custodes and Thousand Sons) announced. We also have two armies in the "stand by for announcement" phase since they didn't get updated in the Chapter Approved(Tau and Necrons) along with the Daemons(preorders today).

That makes 5 more armies slated to come out sometime in the next 5 months, with GW having said that by July 2018 all of the 40k armies will have been updated.

They're moving along at a freaking breakneck pace and you want them to move faster? Working on "new" projects like Death Guard and now Custodes are a great way for the writing teams to stretch their legs(so to speak) from just doing what amounts as editorial and revision work.

Working on those "new" projects requires other releases to be pushed back. And over half of the factions that have been released are some type of power-armoured dude, with the next 2 being even more power armour. I think it's too much at this point. And no xenos factions have been announced. Just speculation that GW will have to eventually do something else.

We've gotten 8 armies(Craftworld, Guard, Mechanicus, Marines, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Chaos Marines, and Death Guard)

9. Dont forget nomnom Nids

More space marines, because thats exactly what the game needed....

 Ratius wrote:

We've gotten 8 armies(Craftworld, Guard, Mechanicus, Marines, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Chaos Marines, and Death Guard)

9. Dont forget nomnom Nids

I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT NIDS!

So 9 armies, only one of which was really "new"(Death Guard). Space Marines had a new subfaction added into them with the Primaris but anyone arguing that's a new army is full of crap.

Hopefully this means that Tau and Orks have been delayed for a proper redesign.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
There are a long list of things I would have preferred over this, but still, cool models and new army options, so I'm fine, even a bit exited. I would have liked to see them bundles with SoS and other imperial agents stuff, but it's not a big deal.

I'm not sure I will get them, maybe a squad or two at one point to include in my imperial soup. And regardless of my personal feelings about them, I know this is something a lot of people have wanted, so it is good thing that they're here.

And I hope that half a year after the release, they then get their own codex snaked out from under them and forced to share a book with some other faction that the players have no interest in so I can say "You're the only one who wanted that anyways!".

I'll have liked more a Talons of the Emperor Codex with Custodes and SoS. Because SoS, by their own nature, can't fuction has a stand alone army (Too specialized, even more than grey knights), and by lore they normally fight alongside Custodes. And is not like, being in the same Codex, you can't play just one force or the other if they give SoS a HQ too.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ratius wrote:

We've gotten 8 armies(Craftworld, Guard, Mechanicus, Marines, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Chaos Marines, and Death Guard)

9. Dont forget nomnom Nids

I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT NIDS!

So 9 armies, only one of which was really "new"(Death Guard). Space Marines had a new subfaction added into them with the Primaris but anyone arguing that's a new army is full of crap.

SOB can horde actually. WIth 9pt Power armor all with Bolters, SB's, Flamers or Meltas, 15 women size units that can easily get move/shoot/attack twice with Re-rolls to hits and a 6++.

Its easy to field 150 models with Celestine, Canoness, with about 40 SB's and 20 HB's, that still leaves about 150pts.

IDK if you would call that a "horde" army per-say, but for Power Army i would.

 Imateria wrote:
More space marines, because thats exactly what the game needed....

I'm seeing this a lot, and while on the surface it's easy to agree with it - GW isn't about "the game". Hasn't been in a decade or more. It's about grey plastic which sells for way more money than it should, and Space Marines in all their guises do that. I think people need to simply come to terms with the fact that GW isn't in the business of perfecting or concentrating on the game, except for as it serves to sell models.

The game doesn't need more Custodes, etc...but GW is on a financial high and they're continuing to churn out stuff which is keeping them there.

 Elbows wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
More space marines, because thats exactly what the game needed....

I'm seeing this a lot, and while on the surface it's easy to agree with it - GW isn't about "the game". Hasn't been in a decade or more. It's about grey plastic which sells for way more money than it should, and Space Marines in all their guises do that. I think people need to simply come to terms with the fact that GW isn't in the business of perfecting or concentrating on the game, except for as it serves to sell models.

The game doesn't need more Custodes, etc...but GW is on a financial high and they're continuing to churn out stuff which is keeping them there.

The best way to change their attitude is through their finances. I've not bought anything from Games Workshop since 8th edition released. Not because I didn't have the money, but because there was genuinely no interesting new models for me to buy. But that's anecdotal, and I'm sure Games Workshop's finances will be looking fine regardless.

Indifferent for now. I don't plan buy it but might in the future, especially when FW gets rules.

I agree, but I think it's been proven that they're gaining far more younger buyers than the "older" curmudgeony grognards that are throwing their hands up and leaving the game. That's been the case for quite a while.

Heck, back in 2003 it was part of their sales strategy as set out with store managers in the US, etc.

I just think we need to kill the expectation that GW is trying to make a beautifully balanced game. As always, they need a game which is fun, and functional just enough to generate more interest in models, etc. They're obviously doing that. I think people who genuinely believe GW is going to put in a load of extra effort to make the game beautifully smooth and balanced...are in for a genuine disappointment.

We can be disappointed in what GW is doing, but let's not kid ourselves as to why they're doing it all.

Conflicted.

I like the models, I like the Custodes as a faction, but having the Custodes as a playable army in its own right has some issues. Having yet another, "elite of the elite, most special of the special, rarest of the rare" army gets...old, and the Custodes have never really had a place in 40k and it feels like they're being somewhat hamfisted in, at least in some ways. There's also other armies that need updates and codex books first, both Imperial and Xenos.

If they were gonna do this, I wish they'd have done it after everything else got a codex or at least paired it with an Inquisition/Agents of the Imperium release.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ratius wrote:

We've gotten 8 armies(Craftworld, Guard, Mechanicus, Marines, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Chaos Marines, and Death Guard)

9. Dont forget nomnom Nids

I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT NIDS!

So 9 armies, only one of which was really "new"(Death Guard). Space Marines had a new subfaction added into them with the Primaris but anyone arguing that's a new army is full of crap.

SOB can horde actually. WIth 9pt Power armor all with Bolters, SB's, Flamers or Meltas, 15 women size units that can easily get move/shoot/attack twice with Re-rolls to hits and a 6++.

Its easy to field 150 models with Celestine, Canoness, with about 40 SB's and 20 HB's, that still leaves about 150pts.

IDK if you would call that a "horde" army per-say, but for Power Army i would.

Okay....?

What the hell does that have to do with literally anything I said?

If they wanted a model release opportunity, they could have done sisters of battle: satisfying a good chunk of their existing base. If they didn’t want a full release they could have given Orks, Necrons, or dark eldar players a much anticipated codex and got people to update collections which are probably on the back burner. Custodes are the army that no one asked for.

I think it is good, in the context of the game having another fully fledged faction for players to choose from.

What I am getting very tired of however is the fact that it is yet another Imperial faction.

I feel completely indifferent to it. It's a bunch of stuff I'll likely never buy.

I've liked custodes since before they ever had a model, and it's nice to see them get to be more than a flavor in imperial soup. It's annoying that my necrons get pushed down the schedule again, and it's a down right crime against reason that we get another imperial faction.

There is no option for....

*My BM this morning was more exciting.


Seriously, I am a hardcore Space Marine player and this announcement annoys me. How about some Xenos armies gets some new stuff? Some of those lines are ancient and terrible. I was hoping the “Big” announcement was a new Xenos faction. Here’s to Grey Knights 2.0!

The 'Meh/Don't care/why is this thread a thing option' was to not post/comment.

But I'll remember next time I do a poll to have a 'Don't care' option.

Their teaser is what makes me bitter. The whole "they have watched and waited" sounded like a xenos cool thing... not fancy dany gold marines.

A couple new infantry units, an HQ, and jet bikes are not helping or making this much of a viable army. It needs tanks and transports to really be able to stand on it's own. Otherwise, this codex is going to be DOA and will contribute nothing more to the game then more Imperial Soup.

If the codex allows you to use the 30K Grav Tanks and transports, then it will be a viable army list.

GW should have released an Ork, or Tau, or Dark Eldar codex instead.

I agree with a few posters above- another Imperial Codex that no one was asking for.

 Tamwulf wrote:
A couple new infantry units, an HQ, and jet bikes are not helping or making this much of a viable army. It needs tanks and transports to really be able to stand on it's own. Otherwise, this codex is going to be DOA and will contribute nothing more to the game then more Imperial Soup.

If the codex allows you to use the 30K Grav Tanks and transports, then it will be a viable army list.

GW should have released an Ork, or Tau, or Dark Eldar codex instead.

I agree with a few posters above- another Imperial Codex that no one was asking for.

You mean like the FW models that are going to get 40k rules?

Better question is will reverse be true? Will 30k players be able to use these models or are these useless for them?

My english is really bad, i miss read a line.

 lolman1c wrote:
Their teaser is what makes me bitter. The whole "they have watched and waited" sounded like a xenos cool thing... not fancy dany gold marines.

It was a basic image, 1 day before the release. And it fits Custodes perfectly.

Custodes were the next army in the pipeline wether the publicity team was asked to throw together a quick teaser or not. Why does GW adding the teaser make you feel like they owe you something?

I think truthfully, you're just upset it isn't your army right?

I would have liked them to do Talons of the Emperor instead of two separate Sisters of Silence and Custodians books.

Especially since they were sold together.

Independently, they're going to be kind of weedy as a force, and I fear they'll be nonviable as a faction. The last thing we need are a crap-ton of tiny factions that lack the diversity and options to be playable in any way.

Pretty disappointed that this is considered a "HUGE" announcement to be honest.

More power armour dudes is a bit of a joke given the release schedule thus far - particularly when Tau and Necrons had 0 love in CA.

I find it incredibly misguided that they decided to release a new faction before releasing all of the existing. Xenos players are fuming all over their social media pages right now and rightly so. Hopefully this will be a wake up call for GW, they have definitely had a burn with this announcement, particularly after the hype around it yesterday.

I'm not interested in Gold Muhreens and I won't purchase any so it means nothing to me really. Just the standard stupid GW decisions.

Necrons did get love in CA
They got one of their iconic items back, the warlord trait isn't too bad and one of their stratagems is pretty handy. Not sure about the other one.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Necrons did get love in CA
They got one of their iconic items back, the warlord trait isn't too bad and one of their stratagems is pretty handy. Not sure about the other one.

No points changes though? For an army that's never at the top tables of tournaments in 8th? Necrons and Tau had less than every other faction featured in it.

Spartacus wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
Their teaser is what makes me bitter. The whole "they have watched and waited" sounded like a xenos cool thing... not fancy dany gold marines.

It was a basic image, 1 day before the release. And it fits Custodes perfectly.

Custodes were the next army in the pipeline wether the publicity team was asked to throw together a quick teaser or not. Why does GW adding the teaser make you feel like they owe you something?

I think truthfully, you're just upset it isn't your army right?

Don'tpresume to know me. 1. I play orks and imperial fists successors and none of them related to the teaser.
2. They acted like it was going to be huge... like it was a brand new never before seen army but it was something they had already announced stuff for and we all knew as comming.
3. The tag line doesn't fit Gold Mehriens at all! In what way wrre they watching and waiting? In the lore they have already been sent out and why woukd they want to wait? Their job is to defend the emperor.
4. They showed an image that's associated with xenos ra es rather than anything imperial. They could have showed tera in the image which would have made more sense but they knew there woukd be negative reactions to another imperial faction.

Now it's time for me to presume you... I think truthfully you're just someone who can't get of GW's lap and accept they can do thing wrong as well as right.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Necrons did get love in CA
They got one of their iconic items back, the warlord trait isn't too bad and one of their stratagems is pretty handy. Not sure about the other one.

No points changes though? For an army that's never at the top tables of tournaments in 8th? Necrons and Tau had less than every other faction featured in it.

Did anyone in the CA get points changes? I don't think they did.
The problem with the necrons isn't points. The problem is that their current loadout is mediocre. They have no mobility options, no easy access to heavy hitters, and not much in terms of versatility. Points don't matter when the very design is flawed. "make it cheaper" is an amateur's way of solving it a serious balance problem.
The CA help alleviates that by giving them a mobility option and proper stratagems.