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I don't know, both explanations seem reasonable, but the holder is way too fiddly for either of these. If these were vials, you'd expect them to be stored vertically, if poison containers, you'd expect them to be some place not requiring two extra arms to actually apply it to arrow. Though, poison seems to be more likely as whatever it is it's absent from cqc snake girls and you'd expect these to actually be in position to pick up blood more often...

JSG wrote:
I'd assume the mini knight and Necron will be released separately later in the year. Is there a rumour of an upcoming knight codex?

Nope. In fact several people said we'll be getting DE before Necrons, so that can't be next week. I'd bet on Forgebane no sooner than April.

I am actually kinda disappointed with both bands. Same old, same old, even double-old as both are factions we already had in Shadespire. Did we really needed more Khorne/Stormcast before, like, 20 other possible factions?

I'd even say both are a big step backwards, not only there is zero new looking models here (you can really just convert these from existing AoS stuff in a few minutes), for all the recent talk about female Stormcast/Chaos Champions this release is 100% sausage party. Meh. Total pass.

Current GW? You guys act like Angry Ron, Betrayer the Betrayer or Lionel Johnson were original, well thought out names

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Still better sounding and had more effort put into them than murderfang, the murderclaw wielding spacewolf dreadnought.

I still wonder what thought writing these names was thinking. Or why he though dreadnought biting enemies to death was good idea, or why SW kept insane maniac no one knew inside, instead of putting him down and installing actual, sane hero in it...

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
How does Kharn = betrayer? That's a new one.

It's very similar to middle eastern arabic word for 'to betray', though admittedly it might be just a coincidence. Kharn in HH novels is from Asia, though, making it more likely to be intended though.

First look at new Mortarch?

 unmercifulconker wrote:
From that video though, what creature is the Stormcast riding? Is it just that Gryphon thing? The horns and face resemble a goat to me or am I just seeing things? Hopefully that's a new model, wouldn't mind a goat like mount.

The face kinda looks like the Stormcast rider on whatever the thing after 0:24 is:

 ph34r wrote:
I'm with Nagash on this one. If the whole bargain was for him to help vs Chaos, taking souls away from him permanently seems like a back-stabby move.

How is keeping some souls around a bit longer so that they could fight chaos instead of being locked up somewhere pointlessly not fighting chaos?

Seriously, Nagash just looks like a whining jerk who would rather put blinkers on and single-mindlessly fight the anti-chaos coalition over a handful of souls he was ""denied"" ignoring the fact chaos devours them by a bucketful. How the hell is small, elite force of stormcast in any reasonable way a bigger issue than whole realms occupied by chaos?

This is also my issue with the reforging story in the malign portents - somehow, author managed to both ruin the stormcast mystique and shown Nagash as dumb, one track jerk. Before, stormcast were tragic - heroes who were selflessly fighting for the greater good, losing bits of themselves due to Nagash machinations. Ok, that worked, and made Nagash look sinister, but not that petty.

Now, however, it turns out the stormcast who lose bits of memories are morons and shirkers who fail to see the big picture (like the one who saw zombies made out of his family, and wanted to hug them, ignoring the fact these empty shells wearing his family corpses had literally nothing to do with them anymore, which was amply demonstrated when they torn him to ribbons) and the bits they remove are made out of pure stupidium. If a soul would endanger his companions and break ranks dying pointlessly because Nagash/chaos/whatever killed their family and wear the remains as clothing Necron-style, instead, of you know, beating them back so that others won't suffer the same fate, then good riddance, delete the idiot bits in next reforging even if that does make them more automaton-like, because wanting to hug zombies doesn't place anywhere near even most remote definition of reasonable even when eternal enslavement and torture in hell is not the thing on the line.

I'd honestly prefer the whole 'I see family among zombies' was just evil, malignant illusion designed to weaken fighting spirit, because "evil necromancer wiped his butt with my family and now I want to join them after seeing my daddy's corpse dance on strings of some foul magic" ranks among the DUMBEST motivations of anything I have ever read in fantasy.

The story also conversely implies the heroes who have no issues with following Sigmar and in fact do agree with him, should endure reforging relatively intact in painless manner, making the 'damaged' ones no longer tragic, just stupid, and Nagash with his new anti-sigmarine (and not anti-daemon, like someone less spiteful and short-sighted would produce) spookies look so petty it honestly ruins the whole ghost faction to me. I can excuse a lot, being murderous, backstabbing, even traitor, but evil pettiness of the Dastardly & Muttley kind is rather grating

 HorticulusDK wrote:
Today's Malign Portent story is really really good.

https://malignportents.com/story/dying-star/

Best Seraphon / Lizardmen fluff since the End Times' Exodus IMO !

Eh, seraphon bits are nice, but the rest of the story is just more Nagash wankin' (apparently stars are alive or something in this universe instead of being, you know, very dead™ gas if Nagash's plot sue powers can affect them). Also, this story just raises the question why Seraphon missed the phone call or something for Malign Portents if they are so observant and just what good striking after the pyramid plot was done and dusted will do. And that is if the next story won't consist of seraphon army just keeling over and dying the second even a single undead looks at them sternly like literally every other MP story so far...

Speaking of soulblight, is it me, or some of their heroes are being squatted right now?

 Geifer wrote:
Compared to the artwork, the Mortarch's paint job is really poor. It completely lacks that ethereal ghostly vibe. The sculpt looks decent, though.

See, this it the thing that bothers me about new ghosts. They just don't look like undead. Compared to ethereal bodies and skull faces, their normal looking hands terribly reinforce the 'bedsheet ghosty' look. Compare it to old GW ghost with skeletal hands and the new ones are kinda lamed by that detail:



You can argue they look like the banshee, but she actually had flesh on the face still. So, yeah, arms just create jarring dissonance with head...

 CoreCommander wrote:
I was watching the new How to Play videos and saw something quite big on the shelves next to the actress presenting the rules. Anyone knows what it is?

Knight-Incantor?

 Kurgash wrote:
Have we talked about that Slaanesh demon in the background yet? That just caught my eye.

Um:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

That candle on his hat looks really silly and out of place...

Well, store anniversary SM didn't have one so my point still stands

Davor wrote:

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:She's only £27? Damn, that's quite a breath of fresh air after so many £60+ character models. And the Stormcast book is still only £25? That's impressive too considering the size the thing is going to be now.

Not really. It's not 40K yet. Their sales for Age of Sigmar are no where near 40K or as popular yet where GW can charge the 40K prices. AoS is still a baby, and people still remember the old GW so GW is not going to rush raising the prices to "regular" GW prices.

You should look one line lower, at Stormcast guy. He is halfway toward insane pricing of Primaris characters, he should be €20 top, like BA/DA lieutenants.

On a side note, I just realized what Stormcast surfing board reminded me of:



Also, new look at Stormcast and Spooky endless spells today:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/06/27/27th-june-battletome-preview-endless-spellsgw-homepage-post-2/

Also also, new AoS designer FAQ is up:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/06/27/27th-june-now-live-the-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-new-edition-faqgw-homepage-post-3/

Two big things - painting Stormcast in 'wrong' colours is strongly frowned upon, especially named characters, and new base size list - which tells you to always treat models as if they were on stated bases, even if they are on different ones (say old square ones). Technically, it's 'suggested' change but I can already see tournaments mandating proper colors and bases now.

I wonder, when the wrong paint ban makes over to 40K Space Marines?

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 HorticulusDK wrote:
I don't get the problem with the paint scheme rule.

It's just a specific occurence of WSIWYG isn't it ?

In 40k if I really like the rules for Dark Angels (for example) but I want paint my marines red, I could invent my own Dark Angels successor chapter. Does Age of Sigmar let me do that? That’s why it’s a problem.

See, that's my problem with recent GW inanity - yes, you can make pink chapter and say these are DA or Ultramarines, but one of the recent 40K FAQs stated then you're then forbidden from using say Calgar or Azrael, as these are DA or Ultramarines characters, not from successor chapters. Of course, all it did was people now saying they have fielded DA or Ultramarines with dirty armour, instead of successors, but the fact you need to jump through these hoops in 40K (and now Sigmar) is pretty dumb. Remember 5th edition SM Codex? That just plainly stated that you can use Calgar as 'counts as' badass chapter master of your own design, no questions asked? No proxying needed? I miss that. GW may be encouraging conversions these days, as it sells more models, but their rule writers (or maybe sales department?) starting with 6th edition make dumber and dumber rules, exceptions, and flip flops on what exactly is the allowed mini paint if you want to stay 100% compliant with rules...

ritualnet wrote:
The new stormcast are what are making me interested in this. Not sure why, as I hate regular stormcast (sigmarines!) but the new ones seem to have more character?

Yeah, design of old ones was terrible. CCW that looked like tacticool machetes made in china, dumb looking hammers, bland design with no opportunities to break single dominant color (not even chest eagle or trim found on SM), everyone looking like a dull clone, terribly looking mounts. Now? Swords that actually look like swords, varied weapons that while over-designed don't make audience go 'HTF they use those?', various beasts look way better than at the start (especially lion-lizards), the army starts to actually feel like army, not hammer mob, and the clothing actually provides welcome breaks in monotony and opportunities to make models unique. Oh, and the first actually mixed gender units in WH (as in, not counting single sad token female ones) provide varied silhouettes and give the army greatly needed individuality in each model.

Speaking of which, is certain guy still claiming mixed gender units are "totally impossible, because the sprues are way too complicated for anyone to make, so girls should be kept out of the game"?

Sooo, GW is back to primaris officers prices after backlash temporarily driven them down, eh? Oh well, hopefully outrage will work again...

 Kanluwen wrote:
They have stated it includes the on-foot guy if you build Aventis.

If you believe Aventis and generic foot guy can't be kitbashed into two generic guys (because how GW would really prevent that) I have this nice cozy planet to sell

Heh

Three dragons on order next week apparently:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/08/05/warhammer-legends-dragons-of-the-old-world/

Waddle me closer, I want to hit him with my sword ?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I still think Raging Heroes' Death Dancers are the sort of direction I'd like to see the Daemonettes get taken- crazy poses and all sorts of ornamental extra limbs.

Eh, while I am all for dynamic poses, the porn dancers thing RH has really doesn't work. They look like they were in the middle of extreme striptease show, not battle. If there is a good third party daemon of S that really looks the part and captures the artwork feel, I'd say it's Creature Caster stuff, especially with their alternate, even more eldritch-horror looking heads.

I really like say this model (obviously very NSFW) - GW really needs to make more daemons that look like this, really inhuman, and less like humans with horns and Star Trek latex makeup.

I wish GW just dropped current butt-ugly junk and went back to Diaznettes as a starting point. They really looked alien, both oddly attractive and repulsive, current ones are just ugly and have zero of their supposed allure. At this point, no amount of polishing that turd will work IMHO, they really need to try something, anything new and reboot the whole range.

Bretonnians (and some others) back next week for MtO:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/02/heroes-of-order-for-one-week-only/

Cataphract wrote:
They embody the horror of Slaanesh, and are very in line with his most early depictions of half female/half male-therefore his Daemonettes follow suit. They are the temptations of all humans after all.

What horror?

They are just butt ugly, zero appeal bad modelling job. Diaznettes did horror a lot better, big, black eyes and fanged maw conveys horror a lot better than 'I can't sculpt faces' look current ones have going on. Also, horror is only one half, the other is allure, and here current ones lose even to chaos spawn...

 Sarouan wrote:
That's the point of Slaanesh followers - they look for high stimulations and extreme wrong yet strangely enticing aesthetics, even in the middle of battle. That's why RH's Death Dancers really catch that feeling. You're just not sensitive to it.

Care to show even one whiff of these 'strangely enticing aesthetics'? Because Diaznettes had that look, current ones have zero of that. I tried to find really hard to find something to like about them, and I just can't, which is weird because I honestly prefer leg shape and silhouette of current ones but the execution is so terrible ancient sculpts beat them without even trying.

They're nice, but Creature Caster focus on a very specific scale - that is, daemon princes /greater deamons. Their level of details isn't adapted to 28 mm lesser daemons. While serpentine bodies work well with Slaanesh (it's not a hazard Morathi's true form in AoS does look like this, after all), not sure it's really fitting for the whole range.

Yes, they do only DP/GD, but that was more to demonstrate my point. You can combine allure with cosmic horror and unnatural look, the problem is current models have none of it and instead look like a drag parade done by someone who had to work with ugliest models around while doing makeup for the first time, ever. They aren't even scary, never mind attractive or alienness, they display none of their supposed traits.

Actually, the plastic daemonettes are in the line with the first design - both repulsive and attractive. Juan Diaz miniatures were more attractive than repulsive, having less of that balance. Also, it's funny you criticize RH Death Dancers while loving Juan Diaz's daemonettes, since they were doing quite the same "porn dancers" pose you specifically don't like with RH's miniatures.

They have no attractiveness whatsoever. That's why Diaznettes outsold everything else in their MtO combined, despite having modern plastic equivalent.

Also, can you provide the photo of that porn dancer pose? Because I have box of them freshly cast by GW right on my desk and they are all running, like they should, instead of shambling forward like nurgle zombies like current ones, with no energy whatsoever...

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Isn't pretty/confusingly sexy daemonettes part of the reason Raging Heroes exist?

The thing is, they aren't 'confusingly' sexy. They miss the point just as much as GW ones, just in the other direction. GW are comically ugly, shambling zombies, RH are 12-year-old-wet-dream pinups with comical porn parade poses. There is nothing confusingly (rather, perfectly straightforward) alluring or alien about them, they aren't scary, you can pretty much sum them up as Baywatch: the army...

Remember Nurgle’s Carnival? Here's a followup:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/11/nighthaunts-in-venice/

Man, I just can't see such kind of creative insanity work well (or even fit) in WH Fantasy...

 Not-not-kenny wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Considering the Holy Roman Empire inspiration for the Empire, I always thought Marienburg had more of a Hanseatic inspiration, like Danzig/Gdansk or Hamburg or Lubeck. That would give it a distincly Baltic character, rather than the Italian/Mediterreanean character of Venice (which the army is based upon).

*Apologies for spelling mistakes, my keyboard cannot do the required characters.

Sure, switch Marienburg for Miragliano then (which is the only Tilean city I can name off the top of my head, there's probably a more apt one already).

You could find some sort of Venetian equivalent in Fantasy, sure, maybe in border princedoms - but that's not the problem. The problem is that Fantasy undead were boring and one-dimensional. You had what, mummies, vampires, then just mostly mindless mooks? There was no vindictive and petty death god to curse people with unliving, no undead from outside of European folklore, not much scope to really have fun with ideas.

Hell, I still remember Fantasy purists whining about the previous project, Nurgle carnival, cuz' Nurgle needs to be 100% gloomy, no colors besides brown and green, NO FUN ALLOWED, and everything that doesn't looks like ancient, mono-colored Bisley-style Fantasy illustrations (even though WH:F had incredibly rich and good art over the years, making limiting yourself to a small slice of it even dumber) is HERESY

 EnTyme wrote:

Marleymoo wrote:
I like the new Stormcast heads.

I might take notice of Forge World again after their years of releasing slightly different Space Marine parts ad nauseam.

Well, the Stormcast heads are supposedly fully compatible with Space Marines, so . . .

Compatible how? First set above uses flat sockets, the second shallow thin round, none of it looks even remotely compatible with SM deep wide rounds without lots of resin filing and generous GS stuffing, and that's without even considering necks on both ranges have very different style...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Royal Zombie Dragon is probably a renaming so they can give it different rules than the one in Legions of Nagash.

It's the Black Coach all over again!

Yeah, it's not like one is tiny, gakky model driving around on wheels and the other is huge, flying contraption three times the size of the other, eh?

I still have no idea from where this dumb meme came from, it's like people just looked at 40K BT Castellan (the Black Templar generic HQ guy), GK Castellan (Crowe, the Grey Knights champion), AM Castellan (Legio Cybernetica robot) and IK Castellan (the new big stompy Imperial Knight) and declared similar name totally means identical stats...

 Knight wrote:

Cataphract wrote:
Hmmm Blisterskin Court worships Hysh? I wonder if Tyrion is hearing the constant chattering of the Mordants as part of his prayers from his other worshippers.

I expected this trope. It's suiting for the FEC, although it's a bit unclear to me if that particular court emigrated from Fire into the Light (sounds like a cheesy power metal song), seems that whatever is calling the realm of Hysh its home gets some bonus on movement along with command point regeneration/recycle.

I'd love it if it'd be stated that Tyrion is capable to perceive their delusion. I think it was showcased that although he is blind he does perceive other things, I'm not sure where I've read that (perhaps in Pantheon).

It would be really ironic if he could but instead insisted on sending armed expeditions to the realm of fire to look for that shining kingdom that must surely be under siege from all the abominations his servants keep finding (and battling) instead. He could even have visions of said knights fighting even worse stuff at the same time, just to add to the urgency