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Geifer wrote:Anyway, you're right, as this would be a great place to start the...slow build up to a Slaaneshi release.

Some teasing and toys shown before we get to play it would be great! It's coming, butt there is not need to rush it; I'm sure GW don't want to seem inexperienced by having it all be over too soon.

There's not enough crazyness in GW daemons. Too much thing that seems to be directly out of human civilizations (cavalry, chariot etc). Hopefully they get a bit more original with this release, and fiends are a perfect opportunity for that

I still think Raging Heroes' Death Dancers are the sort of direction I'd like to see the Daemonettes get taken- crazy poses and all sorts of ornamental extra limbs.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Too much thing that seems to be directly out of human civilizations (cavalry, chariot etc).

That's how demons should look like - twisted reflections of human ideas and emotions.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
While Princes and Heralds fill the role I'm thinking of, I'm just going to feel greedy and want more new Khrone stuff just because.

Hell, I probably have more proxy Bloodthirsters than I do official ones at this point...

Furies could use an update as well.

Furies should just be axed at this point. The models are just awful, and the undivided daemons-but-now-must-be-marked thing is just a thematic and fluff boondoggle.
Just add some more god-appropriate fast/flyer models to the non-Nurgle ranges.

So excited for the Slaanesh releases. This is going to be a long wait...

 Marshal Loss wrote:
So excited for the Slaanesh releases. This is going to be a long wait...

A long one indeed, but in the end pleasure wil be ours!!!

Slaaanesh!!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I still think Raging Heroes' Death Dancers are the sort of direction I'd like to see the Daemonettes get taken- crazy poses and all sorts of ornamental extra limbs.

Eh, while I am all for dynamic poses, the porn dancers thing RH has really doesn't work. They look like they were in the middle of extreme striptease show, not battle. If there is a good third party daemon of S that really looks the part and captures the artwork feel, I'd say it's Creature Caster stuff, especially with their alternate, even more eldritch-horror looking heads.

I really like say this model (obviously very NSFW) - GW really needs to make more daemons that look like this, really inhuman, and less like humans with horns and Star Trek latex makeup.

I wish GW just dropped current butt-ugly junk and went back to Diaznettes as a starting point. They really looked alien, both oddly attractive and repulsive, current ones are just ugly and have zero of their supposed allure. At this point, no amount of polishing that turd will work IMHO, they really need to try something, anything new and reboot the whole range.

 Irbis wrote:

Eh, while I am all for dynamic poses, the porn dancers thing RH has really doesn't work. They look like they were in the middle of extreme striptease show, not battle.

That's the point of Slaanesh followers - they look for high stimulations and extreme wrong yet strangely enticing aesthetics, even in the middle of battle. That's why RH's Death Dancers really catch that feeling. You're just not sensitive to it.

If there is a good third party daemon of S that really looks the part and captures the artwork feel, I'd say it's Creature Caster stuff, especially with their alternate, even more eldritch-horror looking heads.

They're nice, but Creature Caster focus on a very specific scale - that is, daemon princes /greater deamons. Their level of details isn't adapted to 28 mm lesser daemons. While serpentine bodies work well with Slaanesh (it's not a hazard Morathi's true form in AoS does look like this, after all), not sure it's really fitting for the whole range.

I wish GW just dropped current butt-ugly junk and went back to Diaznettes as a starting point. They really looked alien, both oddly attractive and repulsive, current ones are just ugly and have zero of their supposed allure. At this point, no amount of polishing that turd will work IMHO, they really need to try something, anything new and reboot the whole range.

Actually, the plastic daemonettes are in the line with the first design - both repulsive and attractive. Juan Diaz miniatures were more attractive than repulsive, having less of that balance. Also, it's funny you criticize RH Death Dancers while loving Juan Diaz's daemonettes, since they were doing quite the same "porn dancers" pose you specifically don't like with RH's miniatures.

Yea the 13 year old in me likes the Diazanettes but the older more cynical 28 year old prefers the current. They embody the horror of Slaanesh, and are very in line with his most early depictions of half female/half male-therefore his Daemonettes follow suit. They are the temptations of all humans after all.

Yeah, also prefer the current daemonettes to the diaz ones. Seekers blows though. Much too rigid and static

 Sarouan wrote:
Also, it's funny you criticize RH Death Dancers while loving Juan Diaz's daemonettes, since they were doing quite the same "porn dancers" pose you specifically don't like with RH's miniatures.

Are we looking at the same models? Which Diaz 'monette did a standing split?

Bretonnians (and some others) back next week for MtO:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/02/heroes-of-order-for-one-week-only/

 streetsamurai wrote:
Yeah, also prefer the current daemonettes to the diaz ones. Seekers blows though. Much too rigid and static

To be fair you can say that of a lot of pre Sigmar era mounted troops. I think the more dynamic started with the old Wood Elves and their stag riders, before that most mounted units were pretty static in pose and design.

Definitely prefer the Diaz to current. I think I even prefer the style of the old metals to the current.

Cataphract wrote:
They embody the horror of Slaanesh, and are very in line with his most early depictions of half female/half male-therefore his Daemonettes follow suit. They are the temptations of all humans after all.

What horror?

They are just butt ugly, zero appeal bad modelling job. Diaznettes did horror a lot better, big, black eyes and fanged maw conveys horror a lot better than 'I can't sculpt faces' look current ones have going on. Also, horror is only one half, the other is allure, and here current ones lose even to chaos spawn...

 Sarouan wrote:
That's the point of Slaanesh followers - they look for high stimulations and extreme wrong yet strangely enticing aesthetics, even in the middle of battle. That's why RH's Death Dancers really catch that feeling. You're just not sensitive to it.

Care to show even one whiff of these 'strangely enticing aesthetics'? Because Diaznettes had that look, current ones have zero of that. I tried to find really hard to find something to like about them, and I just can't, which is weird because I honestly prefer leg shape and silhouette of current ones but the execution is so terrible ancient sculpts beat them without even trying.

They're nice, but Creature Caster focus on a very specific scale - that is, daemon princes /greater deamons. Their level of details isn't adapted to 28 mm lesser daemons. While serpentine bodies work well with Slaanesh (it's not a hazard Morathi's true form in AoS does look like this, after all), not sure it's really fitting for the whole range.

Yes, they do only DP/GD, but that was more to demonstrate my point. You can combine allure with cosmic horror and unnatural look, the problem is current models have none of it and instead look like a drag parade done by someone who had to work with ugliest models around while doing makeup for the first time, ever. They aren't even scary, never mind attractive or alienness, they display none of their supposed traits.

Actually, the plastic daemonettes are in the line with the first design - both repulsive and attractive. Juan Diaz miniatures were more attractive than repulsive, having less of that balance. Also, it's funny you criticize RH Death Dancers while loving Juan Diaz's daemonettes, since they were doing quite the same "porn dancers" pose you specifically don't like with RH's miniatures.

They have no attractiveness whatsoever. That's why Diaznettes outsold everything else in their MtO combined, despite having modern plastic equivalent.

Also, can you provide the photo of that porn dancer pose? Because I have box of them freshly cast by GW right on my desk and they are all running, like they should, instead of shambling forward like nurgle zombies like current ones, with no energy whatsoever...

I personally prefer the new plastics, daemonettes should be a blend of a man and woman, a horror that causes people to wince away but their daemonic voices and musk entrances people anyway. The current one's are closer to that and the slaves to darkness designs.

Just my opinion.

Folks, folks...

There’s no point in arguing over whether the Diaz or plastic daemoettes are better. We just all need to agree that the batboy/lobster 2nd ed. (40k) one’s are the worst hands down.


(Check out those muscle-beach bloodletters as well )

I enjoy running a bunch of daemonettes, so I have units of all 4 versions. I’m partial to the Realm of Chaos ones myself, but they make for a ragtag looking army when you combine all eras. And I use the old RoC keepers of secrets for fiends, because the look awesome, are the right size, and have 6 different variants.

I’m very interested to see what they put in this new set.

 shinros wrote:
I personally prefer the new plastics, daemonettes should be a blend of a man and woman, a horror that causes people to wince away but their daemonic voices and musk entrances people anyway. The current one's are closer to that and the slaves to darkness designs.

Just my opinion.

Haha the ones on Seekers kind of have a pole dancer-sequence stance, but I will admit they seem more lively than the current range Seekers.

 skullking wrote:
Folks, folks...

There’s no point in arguing over whether the Diaz or plastic daemoettes are better. We just all need to agree that the batboy/lobster 2nd ed. (40k) one’s are the worst hands down.

Spoiler:

(Check out those muscle-beach bloodletters as well )

Much prefer the Bloodletters that came next (not the current wiry ones).

 skullking wrote:
Folks, folks...

There’s no point in arguing over whether the Diaz or plastic daemoettes are better. We just all need to agree that the batboy/lobster 2nd ed. (40k) one’s are the worst hands down.

Spoiler:

(Check out those muscle-beach bloodletters as well )

I enjoy running a bunch of daemonettes, so I have units of all 4 versions. I’m partial to the Realm of Chaos ones myself, but they make for a ragtag looking army when you combine all eras. And I use the old RoC keepers of secrets for fiends, because the look awesome, are the right size, and have 6 different variants.

I’m very interested to see what they put in this new set.

Granted.
Muscle and lobster claws should have remained an Eternia thing...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 skullking wrote:
Folks, folks...

There’s no point in arguing over whether the Diaz or plastic daemoettes are better. We just all need to agree that the batboy/lobster 2nd ed. (40k) one’s are the worst hands down.

Spoiler:

(Check out those muscle-beach bloodletters as well )

Much prefer the Bloodletters that came next (not the current wiry ones).

The fuzz-letters!? With their choppy axes. 3rd ed. (40k) lesser daemons really took some risks imo. The plague bearers were my least favorite,, but the horrors were the best.

While I'd be happy with just a Keeper of Secrets and Fiends. I really hope we get some awesome looking heralds. Although is their $30 a pop, I just keep using my conversions. Honestly, I'm kinda scared the Bloodthirster, Lord of Change, and Great Unclean were all excellent. Keepers unlike the other three are not supposed to have a set form, each is unique based on Slaanesh's mood at their moment of creations. So, hopefully we can build more than one with out having them be to similar looking; and maybe throw a named character build in as well. Just, please don't let it be ugly. I don't think I could take the disappointment. Fiends hopefully they make them more lean looking and 3-5 to a box.

 skullking wrote:
Folks, folks...

There’s no point in arguing over whether the Diaz or plastic daemoettes are better. We just all need to agree that the batboy/lobster 2nd ed. (40k) one’s are the worst hands down.

Well, the 1st gen models were not so pretty either, although their names were pretty "unique". But this is yet another reason I prefer the current plastics best, despite having collected all the generation. The current ones incorporate the traits of the previous three generations. You want your daemonettes 2nd gen style with bald heads, saucer eyes and large claws you can make them. Want the 1st gen style with punk Mohawks and big 80's hair, with small claws and chicken legs. You can't get to the 3 gen without some converting and GS boob job. But they are plastic, relatively cheap, and despite what some might say are the best sculpts of the four versions by far. Just look at that "actual" anatomy: the bones visible under the skin, the muscular definition of the legs and back, the skin folds and articulation. Then look at the texture details on the: feet, claws, and the transitions from scales to smooth flesh. Yes, the Diaz-nettes are objectively prettier, but they are less detailed, have less muscle definition, and lets be honest their "claws" are terrible. The plastics though are excellent sculpts given the design the were going for; witch was 1 generation, with elements of the others mixed in.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 skullking wrote:
Folks, folks...

There’s no point in arguing over whether the Diaz or plastic daemoettes are better. We just all need to agree that the batboy/lobster 2nd ed. (40k) one’s are the worst hands down.

Spoiler:

(Check out those muscle-beach bloodletters as well )

Much prefer the Bloodletters that came next (not the current wiry ones).

Yeah, if GW did a round of made to order on those dudes I’d probably get a full size unit or two. The Hounds of that era, I’m not so sure though.


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 skullking wrote:
3rd ed. (40k) lesser daemons really took some risks imo. The plague bearers were my least favorite,, but the horrors were the best.

They took some risks and walked like 3/4th of them back, to be closer to their original art/theme it seems.

I seriously doubt a plastic Keeper in this new box set, they will save it for the main release. So it could still be quite a ways off.

What was the gap between Blightwar and Battletome Maggotkin?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I seriously doubt a plastic Keeper in this new box set, they will save it for the main release. So it could still be quite a ways off.

What was the gap between Blightwar and Battletome Maggotkin?

Late August for Blight War and Early January for Maggotkin. Preorder dates at least.

The only reason I think you might get skin wolves, warpfire dragons, preytons in Beastherds is that chaos hounds, centigors and a few other monters of chaos are in there and they have the same monters keyword.

 skullking wrote:
The fuzz-letters!? With their choppy axes. 3rd ed. (40k) lesser daemons really took some risks imo. The plague bearers were my least favorite,, but the horrors were the best.

Big, brutal things. They look like Khorne Daemons to me. I've got a bunch of the Plague Bearers as well.

Could never be bothered with the 3rd Ed Horrors. Too fiddly.

The more I have thought about the beastherds release, the more it seems "lazy" compared to the others.

Is there anything new here or am I overthinking this one?

Is it just chaff until RoC? Combo kits? Slaanesh Beasts?

Some releases won't have as many models in new kits as others; but they are welcome. When GW releases a Battletome and tidies up the listings it gives a safety net to that faction which is much needed as there are a lot of little factions all dotted around with few models and a big question mark on if GW will keep them or retire them.