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gradam01 wrote:
Voss wrote:
The tzeentch endless spells are up.
Quirky.

It's worth noting that the two burning sigil results shown are not conditional (no if or can statements) and don't distinguish friend/enemy

for the first result, if only you have units in 12" you take mortal wounds and for the second if enemies only are in 12" you have to give them +1 attack.

This is potentially game-able except for the lol!random nature of effects.


The way I took it is you roll to see what the sigil does first, then you select the target.


Yep. But using the effect isn't optional (at least not once you roll). So if the enemy spent last turn running away and are all out of range and you roll the MW result, you have to apply it to one of your units, as they're the only available target. And it doesn't specify enemy unit, so they are a valid target.

Similarly the attack buff will effect enemy units if they wipe out nearby friendlies. You can't not choose a target.


It's very fitting for a tzeentch spell, but you really have to babysit the thing and keep it near the scrum. If you put it on the flanks and movement or combat results happen it can easily random it's way to being a detriment.

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Hey this just appeared in an order for someone over on the TGA forums

https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/22826-the-rumour-thread/?page=1497&tab=comments#comment-402854

Anyone had or seen similar? Apparently it came to the store from GW just like that. Could be a worrying sign regarding things like Endless Spells and Faction terrain!

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 Overread wrote:
Hey this just appeared in an order for someone over on the TGA forums

https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/22826-the-rumour-thread/?page=1497&tab=comments#comment-402854

Anyone had or seen similar? Apparently it came to the store from GW just like that. Could be a worrying sign regarding things like Endless Spells and Faction terrain!


Local GW store has a shelf that they put stock on with those stickers on them usually just to clear out stock, it's not an indication of a product being discontinued, at worst it will go direct only. The product might not sell well at that store so they've decided not to carry it anymore , there's one or 2 left and when it's gone from the store they won't be restocking it.

I suspect a GW store had an over stock and sent them back sticker and all and it got redistributed as part of another order.

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That's what someone seems to be saying in that thread.

GW stores are continually short on shelf space, so things get a sticker like that before they go direct only.

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Voss wrote:
gradam01 wrote:
Voss wrote:
The tzeentch endless spells are up.
Quirky.

It's worth noting that the two burning sigil results shown are not conditional (no if or can statements) and don't distinguish friend/enemy

for the first result, if only you have units in 12" you take mortal wounds and for the second if enemies only are in 12" you have to give them +1 attack.

This is potentially game-able except for the lol!random nature of effects.


The way I took it is you roll to see what the sigil does first, then you select the target.


Yep. But using the effect isn't optional (at least not once you roll). So if the enemy spent last turn running away and are all out of range and you roll the MW result, you have to apply it to one of your units, as they're the only available target. And it doesn't specify enemy unit, so they are a valid target.

Similarly the attack buff will effect enemy units if they wipe out nearby friendlies. You can't not choose a target.


It's very fitting for a tzeentch spell, but you really have to babysit the thing and keep it near the scrum. If you put it on the flanks and movement or combat results happen it can easily random it's way to being a detriment.
Chaos spawn aren't great but killing off d3 blue horrors or kairics to get one for free does sound nice...

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 Alpharius wrote:
H.B.M.C. will be so proud!
That we got another trio of rules that just cause Mortal Wounds in slightly different ways? Yep. Very proud.

 Overread wrote:
Anyone had or seen similar? Apparently it came to the store from GW just like that. Could be a worrying sign regarding things like Endless Spells and Faction terrain!
I'm not sure what comment you are referring to?

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My local GW here in the UK now offers next day delivery for stuff ordered for delivery to the store. That would mean less of a wait for stuff they don't have sitting on the shelves.

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/04/reveals-from-the-new-year-open-day-2020gw-homepage-post-1/



Prepare for the ultimate Evil vs Evil mega Chaos-Death fight in “Wrath of the Everchosen".

This new book tells the story of the Ossiarch Bonereaper invasion of the Eightpoints and the battle for the Varanspire.

There will be loads of fun stuff for every gamer in the Age of Sigmar too, with new rules for wandering monsters, roaming endless spells and even siege warfare!

Chaos players will get especially spoilt, with a host of new army options to represent the myriad forces under Archaon’s command – mortal, monster and daemonic alike.


Hmmm Siege Warfare coming back will that mean some of the larger Fortress type kits as well or a new one?
   
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I can get behind siege stuff again.
Be nice if they brought back redone versions of the siege tower and battering ram too.

Also, with the way wounds work it could be a pretty stream lined way of doing it if siege equipment is given a profile.
   
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I only find it odd that GW isn't teasing wall terrain whilst releasing that book unless they are holding that back. Otherwise the siege book looks very neat. It will be a wait to see if the new chaos legions are "expansion only" or general "matched play" legal. Otherwise it sounds like a very nice overall boost to the game in rules.

Plus some great cover art!

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Yes, this is exactly what Aos needed, more random monsters, spells and guff to clutter the board. Oh, and StD players, hope you don't mind buying two books to get a full battletome.

So done with GW's horrible "books as DLC" expansion concept.

On the other hand, the ogre hunter is really nice.
   
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Cronch wrote:
Yes, this is exactly what Aos needed, more random monsters, spells and guff to clutter the board. Oh, and StD players, hope you don't mind buying two books to get a full battletome.

So done with GW's horrible "books as DLC" expansion concept.

On the other hand, the ogre hunter is really nice.


Actually I rather like the idea of NPC elements on the table. Sure its not going to be your tournament matched play game element; but it can add a nice flavour to more open/casual gaming. Plus sometimes it also allows you to buy one or two models that you might otherwise never buy because you don't want to buy the whole army to go with them and still get to put that model on the table and make use of it. Heck I'd like to own a Zombiedragon, but I don't want to build any army that has an actual Zombiedragon in it. So chances are I won't end up buying one - but if I can put one as a wandering monster into games then heck I might get one even if it only sees the table a few times a year =.

That's the "market" GW is going after. And yes nothing stops you doing wandering monsters without the official book, however its always a lot easier to convince people to try something ify ou have one (and sometimes even basic rules are better than no rules that you have to make up yourself - not everyone is even half good at making up their own rules for things)

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Is that Hunter a "legal" loadout for use in AOS? That Frost Sabre is such an upgrade from the old ones.

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ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Is that Hunter a "legal" loadout for use in AOS? That Frost Sabre is such an upgrade from the old ones.


He has throwing spears, a club and can take the bow.
So stick a few extra parts on him and good to go.
The “holstered” club from the ogres set would work well.
You could also just make a holstered spear from a banner pole plus a weapon tip.
   
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A few YT channels have KO reviews up. It's...whelming. Boats were fixed, infantry either stayed the same or actively got worse (hi Arkanauts, you're now dead weight), and aether gold has penalty of -1 Bravery when used. I must say, its always refreshing to have an army whose allegiance ability penalizes you for using it, when every other army has no downside to using theirs- really keeps things fresh!

The Code is just reworded and cut down selection of existing code options, so nothing too exciting. I doubt the army will be doing much better than now, but maybe it won't be so one-sided when they lose.
   
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Jackal90 wrote:
I can get behind siege stuff again.
Be nice if they brought back redone versions of the siege tower and battering ram too.

Also, with the way wounds work it could be a pretty stream lined way of doing it if siege equipment is given a profile.


I'd be happy just to have my Great Cannons back.

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Cronch wrote:
Yes, this is exactly what Aos needed, more random monsters, spells and guff to clutter the board. Oh, and StD players, hope you don't mind buying two books to get a full battletome.

So done with GW's horrible "books as DLC" expansion concept.

On the other hand, the ogre hunter is really nice.


Agreed. When they showed off the start collecting kit for chaos, I was tempted, but now I'm very glad I didn't give in.

Very disappointed to see the 'and now buy the rest of your rules' book sales coming to AoS.


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It doesn't help that I don't care about a Megadeth fight in the chaos citadel. Are there even any stakes or consequences to that fight?

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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Jackal90 wrote:
I can get behind siege stuff again.
Be nice if they brought back redone versions of the siege tower and battering ram too.

Also, with the way wounds work it could be a pretty stream lined way of doing it if siege equipment is given a profile.


I'd be happy just to have my Great Cannons back.



Don’t.
Great cannon, siege towers, battering rams, castle walls etc.
I want it all back lol.
Could make for some great games again.

While it’s another layer of details, it really doesn’t have to be complicated.
   
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I'd love to see siege return as a major feature - a lot of AoS armies don't have any light siege or artillery weapons to speak of.

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Wrath of the Everchosen looks like it could have some interesting stuff in it. I actually like the idea of randomly wandering monsters. Although, I could probably come up with at least as good of rules and be able to convince an opponent that would be open to that sort of game to try them. Still nice to have some official ones to make it easier to add to games. I could easily be convinced to play siege game every now and again even though it isn't even an favorite game type of the attacker/defender variety. I am just bad at them. I almost lost the Battle of Bunker (Breed's) Hill as the Continentals bad at sieges.

On the one hand, I agree I don't like this add-on rules thing Games Workshop is bringing back. Doubly so if my Slaves to Darkness army gets a better Damned Legion option. At the moment, none of the options really fit a Chaos Warrior/Knight heavy army (Ravagers being a workable fit). Given the prices of the Psychic Awakening books, I just see Wrath of the Everchosen being more money than I want to spend on the content provided. I get why GW does this though as no one/less people probably bothers books that don't include this sort of stuff. Depending on the Price, I wouldn't mind picking up some Dreadhold pieces.

So I doubt I will be picking this book up. At the same time, the FLGS has a bunch of OBR players so maybe one of them will get it, and I can still get in S2B vs. OBR battleplan games. Funnily enough the games of AoS look like they are fitting right in with this narrative as my S2D Defenders of the Mortal Realms army have been constantly pushed back (I haven't come close to a win) by all enemy particularly the OBR. I guess my failures have led to a siege of the Varanspire.

   
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ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Is that Hunter a "legal" loadout for use in AOS? That Frost Sabre is such an upgrade from the old ones.
WYSIWYG isn't really a thing in Sigmar like it is in 40k. The finecast hunter model has no crossbow but it's still on the warscroll. As for the models, I think it's a joke to only get one frostsaber, and I don't love that hunter model. It just seems a bit off to me.

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New Aelves Spring 2020

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Oooh. Exciting.
   
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YAY!!!

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Right behind you.

Ugh. Teclis and his twits.
   
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Ugh. I'm so over elves, I'm so over stormcasts, and I'm so over trying to make the last dregs of empire armies into something new.

New Order Humans, please! (take inspiration from the band, if need be!)

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This actually makes me happy. Proper elves! Ah I’m so excited
   
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Ohh they hired the Leviathan Warships trailer guy (ok not really but the same voice acting style)

Honestly REALLY happy to see this. It looks like GW is both creating a new army, but also going back to the roots for the new Light Aelves. I can bet a lot of high elf players are feeling rather happy that they might get to use their old models in a new line of war and if they've sold them off in a fit of sad rage; they can get really shiny really up to date new sculpts!



Overall very nice news! Sure its not until Spring, but that fits with GW steadily teasing us with hints and trailer spoilers for a good few months until then, which fits well with how they typically release a fresh force. Hopefully they put a little more up front, I felt with Ossiarchs that they held back a little early on, which makes sense as it was a good sized, but not massive force so there was a limited range to show. But I think a bit more early on really gets people excited for the right things.



Great news, very happy to hear about it. Shame there was no Seraphon news, but honestly I can't imagine that we'll have to wait long to hear about them.

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