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Kendo wrote:
I can not have the pointy elves arrive soon enough. I am super excited to see what they look like. I always wanted to collect a high elf army back in the day, and had a couple units, but I won’t miss out a second time.
Pointy Aelves all the way.

I'm definitely curious. The video smashed the nostalgia button really hard, but if they're too similar to high elves, there isn't much point in doing a new line. Especially with a few things still lurking in Cities of Sigmar, and Classic lurking over the horizon's horizon.

Threading recognizable but distinct while not looking goofy is going be a trick.



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Teclis's hat is a rumor engine.

So it is, the one from November 12th.

I think the one from September third is from the staff- a pointy tip and tassles to the side of the large gourd shape. (though its photographed from the other side of the model, given the direction things are facing.)

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Time to finish some backlog, hopefully I'll be able to use some of it with the pointy ears.

I'm rather optimistic that the themes of the army will manage to find the balance between old and new elements.
   
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Oooh exciting. Still, hope that they dint look too much like the old he

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Pointy Elves video was just....awesome

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 zend wrote:
Jackal90 wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Jackal90 wrote:
So, teclis is now a god, so I’m assuming a morathi style model for him with a price tag to match.


Sadly GW got rid of their BEST dragon the awesome Magmadragon only a week or two ago (I'd have panic bought one but I don't run any destruction army and coudln't think of another I could run it in without starting a whole new army :()

As for Teclis actually he and many of the big Aelves from the Old World are now gods. His bother, Morathi's son - they are all gods. Morathi though, she got "betrayed" and eaten by Slaanesh. So whilst the other major Aelves were gasping at power as the Old World fell apart, she was being slowly digested in the belly of the Prince of Excess.

However she managed to escape that living hell. Her body though, was corrupted. Her soul survived intact, but her body was warped by the experience. Many times its original size and the great Queen of Beauty and Pleasure became, basically, a Gorgon. A head of snake hair; dragon wings; the lower body a mighty serpent. She also did not get anywhere near any great powers from her entrapment and escape. She's still a formidable magic user, but she's got nothing on the actual gods. Indeed she later found the last part of Khaine, his Iron Heart, which survived the end of the Old World.

In theory Khaine could be reborn from it and she used it to help found her people, the Daughters of Khaine. However she instead syphons the power from the prayers offered up to Khaine. Letting her gain powers that she otherwise would not have. Far as I can gather this makes her strong, but perhaps not as strong as Sigmar, Nagash etc... Ergo the other "true gods" of the AoS era.


As for a model I've a feeling he'll be more like the Everqueen, so rather than being a huge model himself, he'll be astride some great beast or platform or such (like a huge dragon one might hope!). The one that I think will be a beast in size is Malarion (Morathi's son) who has fashioned his Aelven people more after dragons in appearance - indeed the small amount of art we have shows him off looking VERY demonic (even though he's not demonic in the chaos sense) with wings, horns and claw hands.




I wasn’t going that deep with this one buddy, just taking a poke at GW and the way hero’s get a model size based on their status was all :p

The magma dragon was ace, I do have one but I’ve not even assembled it yet.
I panicked and grabbed one plus a 3rd Carmine dragon when it went to last chance.

One of the best dragons I regret never owning was the big FW chaos dragon.
Absolutely stunning but wasn’t in a position to drop £250 back then.
Same with the emperor fire dragon.
Smaug is tempting, but having seen a lot of reviews and unboxings of the more recent casts, the quality is falling away and it’s hardly a cheap investment.

Just a shame that GW currently don’t make any dragons I like.
Their last one for me was the Forest dragon with the sisters of twilight kit.


The Khornate dragon FW currently sells is an incredible centerpiece model. Highly recommend it if you don’t have it. I do wish FW would bring back the War Mammoth and Chaos Dragon though, it’s hard as hell to find even decent recasts of them.




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The one thing that gets me is their reasonings.
Tomb kings likely won’t be back as OBR are very similar.

Brets though, we have nothing like them.
Seems as if GW is slowly purging mounted units, especially those on horseback.
While their line is fairly well aged, the models would still fit right in and they could easily make them unique from other armies.
Guessing they will become the sisters of AoS now.

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Slaves to Darkness literally just got new Chaos Knights on horseback and the ability to summon Marauder Horsemen. If GW is purging mounted units on horseback, they forgot to tell Chaos.

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And bone reapers. And underworld gobbos. And declined to take out a giant pile of Cities of Sigmar cavalry during the pre-Battletome purge (which devoured 30-odd units, so was pretty extensive)

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Slowly purging units, I didn’t say they were wiping them out entirely.
Read the context before trying to gain ground.

So we have those, but have lost:

The entire brettonian line.
Tomb kings cavalry (along with their line)
Regular boarboys.
Dragon princes.
Silver helms.
Elryian (sp?) reavers.
Glade riders.
Empire knights/knights of the white wolf.
Wolf riders (the special unit hardly counts as it’s a unique unit)

That’s from the top of my head, there are plenty of armies I didn’t know enough about to really remember their units.


   
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Jackal90 wrote:
Slowly purging units, I didn’t say they were wiping them out entirely.
Read the context before trying to gain ground.

So we have those, but have lost:

The entire brettonian line.
Tomb kings cavalry (along with their line)
Regular boarboys.
Dragon princes.
Silver helms.
Elryian (sp?) reavers.
Glade riders.
Empire knights/knights of the white wolf.
Wolf riders (the special unit hardly counts as it’s a unique unit)

That’s from the top of my head, there are plenty of armies I didn’t know enough about to really remember their units.




I've noticed this too, but for the life of me can't think what kind of apocalyptic event could precipitate such changes.
   
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Moonclans are not regular plains-gobbos and the old models were atrocious. Expect wolf er, snarlfang-riders to appear whenever they get around to a regular goblin book (i.e. one with doom-divers and pump wagons and all that good stuff) or start exploring chaos dwarves again.
Heck, the way the fluff for Rippa’s Snarlfangs goes, there are entire roving warbands of nothing but Snarlfang riders out there…
As for the horse-elves, check back after codex: pointy aelves drops.

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Jackal90 wrote:
The one thing that gets me is their reasonings.
Tomb kings likely won’t be back as OBR are very similar.

Brets though, we have nothing like them.
Seems as if GW is slowly purging mounted units, especially those on horseback.
While their line is fairly well aged, the models would still fit right in and they could easily make them unique from other armies.
Guessing they will become the sisters of AoS now.
Untrue, GW has cut a large number of units but the ratio has not particularly favored cavalry.

Consider; Games Workshop rules not so much games but as toolboxes for players to craft an experience from, and open/narrative/matched play just examples of how things can be put together. 
   
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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Moonclans are not regular plains-gobbos and the old models were atrocious. Expect wolf er, snarlfang-riders to appear whenever they get around to a regular goblin book (i.e. one with doom-divers and pump wagons and all that good stuff) or start exploring chaos dwarves again.
Heck, the way the fluff for Rippa’s Snarlfangs goes, there are entire roving warbands of nothing but Snarlfang riders out there…
As for the horse-elves, check back after codex: pointy aelves drops.



I said nothing about moon clan.
I was talking about wolf riders, I made no mention of squigs.
It’s a 3 goblin unit that’s unique, so that’s limited straight away.
Any speculation currently of more than that is just that, speculation.



Ninth- I’d assume the most cut option would be hero’s, special characters at that.
I was simply stating that a lot of cav type units had gone now, with no real reasoning as to why.

I’m hoping the pointy elves pull this back as they had 3 of the squatted units I mentioned.
   
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I am pointing out that the theory GW is specifically cutting cavalry more than other units doesn't hold up to the reality of which units they have actually cut. I think anyone who likes/relies on cavalry models GW is still selling, or looks forward to new cavalry models in the future, doesn't need to worry.

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with no real reasoning as to why.

They were often either old (wolf riders) or part of culled faction (HE, Orc piggy riders)? There's really no nefarious plot to eliminate old, tiny cavalry models from the game.
   
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I was initially hoping the pointy Aelves were coming back riding pointy dragons again, but at this point I kind I hope they do something different.
   
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Kendo wrote:
I was initially hoping the pointy Aelves were coming back riding pointy dragons again, but at this point I kind I hope they do something different.


They might, let's see what they do. Part of me wonders if removing the Asur remnants had anything to do with making more design space for the Pointy ears. We could see older ideas under new wrapping or something that's entirely new. Teclis has been making pacts and alliances with the native spirits of Hysh (and cats ), I feel we're going to see some of those in the army roster.
   
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..people think it's time to start a new/less unwieldy thread ?


Do it!

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So...Chaos/Slaves to Darkness kept their horsies. Chaos Knights and mounted Marauders are both still on top of horses. In fact, knights even got a SECOND kit on top of horses.

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GW has never hated horsies. You just can't put a stormcast on a horse without breaking the horse! Dwarves are also pretty rubbish at riding horses (ponies are whole other matter of course); whilst Idoneth have yet to find seahorsies. So basically of those "new" armies most just weren't equine compatible!

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Jackal90 wrote:
I was simply stating that a lot of cav type units had gone now, with no real reasoning as to why.


The reasoning for most of the ranges that have been killed off is fairly likely to be the same thing: Chapterhouse. In the wake of that debacle (and it was a dumb idea from the outset to try and exert non-existent rights mind you), GW has taken a look at removing anything that was not distinctive enough to be copyrighted. Tomb Kings were skeletons with Egyptian trappings. Brettonians were fairly close to actual medieval historicals in styling. Empire Knights were very similar to actual Renaissance-era knights. None of those things could be fully copyrighted, so they were axed as GW wants protect-able IP as that is what their business model is reliant on. There are exceptions to that, as GW is not going to discard every single tool, but in the main that would seem to be their pattern.

Similarly, the "generic" fantasy races have kind of taken a back burner to the dramatically more stylized ones. Chaos, which was shown to have the strongest distinct styling and thus strongest protection has certainly seen far more focus since launch alongside the Stormcast (also unique). Nearly all of the "new" factions released for AoS have also doubled down on the "you don't see these anywhere else" idea. That the Witch Elves became an entire faction unto themselves is unlikely to be coincidental with the fact they're the most distinct "GW" addition to the Dark Elf archetype. Ditto the Fyreslayers; once part of a larger army but the most unique additions to it suddenly becoming a standalone faction.

So no, it's not real likely they're trying to kill off cavalry, but they will take a hard look at dropping anything that they can't readily claim copyright on.
   
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Wasn't it stated multiple times by now that both TK and Brets were killed off due to having abysmal, even for Fantasy, sales? Why chop the empire knights, when empire troops were just as historical (if perhaps a bit barefoot in some cases)?

The same with the factions that did survive- DoK witch elves are in no way more unique than Darkling Covens or Scourge Privateers which are still almost fully untouched Dark Elf range and available in CoS. If anything, athletic elven warrior lady is much more of a stereotype (at least in RPGs) than armor-plated elfs riding raptors.

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and all of those still don't slow down making 3rd party alternatives. What does hurt 3rd party sales is selling so little in the first place you don't want to make alternatives as customer base is too small or changing your products regularly so that alternatives don't fit...which would piss off gw customers as well with invalidated models periodically.

Trying to fight 3rd party alternatives except by making your products appealing enough on their own is fool's errand.

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Jackal90 wrote:
I was simply stating that a lot of cav type units had gone now, with no real reasoning as to why.

Half of the Idoneth range is riding something. New Chaos SC not only has cavalry, but new mounted lord. Empire/Freeguild kept both Griffons and Demigryphs, not to mention tons of horse auxilliaries. Are you sure you're not trying to pigeonhole square anecdata into round conspiracy theory? Especially seeing vast majority of cut units (95% of Tomb Kings for one) were not mounted...
   
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Jackal90 wrote:
I was simply stating that a lot of cav type units had gone now, with no real reasoning as to why.

Half of the Idoneth range is riding something. New Chaos SC not only has cavalry, but new mounted lord. Empire/Freeguild kept both Griffons and Demigryphs, not to mention tons of horse auxilliaries. Are you sure you're not trying to pigeonhole square anecdata into round conspiracy theory? Especially seeing vast majority of cut units (95% of Tomb Kings for one) were not mounted...


They inexplicably cut the Imperial General on Warhorse... *pokes the conspiracy theorists with a stick*

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Never heard the theory that cavalry would somehow be phased out - that clearly isn't happening.
There is some reason to say somewhat normal cavalry (i.e. riding horses) is becoming rather scarce, as new units tend be be riding more fantastical creatures and the more typical ones (or indeed large tracts of their entire ranges) have disappeared. Funny how among the various factions, it is the twisted and incomprehensible ranks of the Hordes of Chaos that you can find various troops who prefer steeds of the equine variety to riding big lizards, bird/mammal hybrids or ravenous fungal monstrosities (as I think squigs are).
   
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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
Jackal90 wrote:
I was simply stating that a lot of cav type units had gone now, with no real reasoning as to why.

Half of the Idoneth range is riding something. New Chaos SC not only has cavalry, but new mounted lord. Empire/Freeguild kept both Griffons and Demigryphs, not to mention tons of horse auxilliaries. Are you sure you're not trying to pigeonhole square anecdata into round conspiracy theory? Especially seeing vast majority of cut units (95% of Tomb Kings for one) were not mounted...


They inexplicably cut the Imperial General on Warhorse... *pokes the conspiracy theorists with a stick*

Maybe humans are getting squatted . Or old horse models are being killed off to give humans horses that weren’t around during the battlemasters board game days. A complete line of old models got trashed for AOS, free guilds was the next step, but I think we will see the different cavalry coming back riding various animal hybrids.

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Never heard the theory that cavalry would somehow be phased out - that clearly isn't happening.
There is some reason to say somewhat normal cavalry (i.e. riding horses) is becoming rather scarce, as new units tend be be riding more fantastical creatures and the more typical ones (or indeed large tracts of their entire ranges) have disappeared. Funny how among the various factions, it is the twisted and incomprehensible ranks of the Hordes of Chaos that you can find various troops who prefer steeds of the equine variety to riding big lizards, bird/mammal hybrids or ravenous fungal monstrosities (as I think squigs are).

It kinda makes sense, in a weird way.

Remember that the Hordes of Chaos had dominated most of the Realms for awhile. They've had the space for the horses to actually be able to have herds and large populations of them, even (nerdery afoot!) accounting for predation from the weirder critters of the Realms while Order hasn't exactly had that same spread.


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 Theophony wrote:
 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

They inexplicably cut the Imperial General on Warhorse... *pokes the conspiracy theorists with a stick*

Maybe humans are getting squatted . Or old horse models are being killed off to give humans horses that weren’t around during the battlemasters board game days. A complete line of old models got trashed for AOS, free guilds was the next step, but I think we will see the different cavalry coming back riding various animal hybrids.

The Imperial General on Warhorse was a newer kit, with a unique horse. It was the double kit of general on horse and foot.

I wouldn't be shocked if a good chunk of the Empire line had gotten cut because of stuff that couldn't be removed saying "KARL FRANZ" in huge letters.

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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
Jackal90 wrote:
I was simply stating that a lot of cav type units had gone now, with no real reasoning as to why.

Half of the Idoneth range is riding something. New Chaos SC not only has cavalry, but new mounted lord. Empire/Freeguild kept both Griffons and Demigryphs, not to mention tons of horse auxilliaries. Are you sure you're not trying to pigeonhole square anecdata into round conspiracy theory? Especially seeing vast majority of cut units (95% of Tomb Kings for one) were not mounted...


They inexplicably cut the Imperial General on Warhorse... *pokes the conspiracy theorists with a stick*
Dual kit with a guy on foot, clearly GW is trying to phase out infantry! Just look at all the new kits that are mounted!

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