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2018/01/10 21:59:41
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
I don't even play Sisters but I'd be all over an update to their range with plastic kits and a plastic spin on the current Exorcist design (as opposed to something like the really bland FW version).
As an ex-Catholic something tickles me about the nuns with guns and their organ-tank. The only things keeping me away right now are the obscene prices and a reluctance to work with all that pewter.
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2018/01/10 22:00:26
Subject: Re:If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
Sisters wear power armor with a 3+ save, they use bolt guns etc. How are they somehow "not marines" but Custodes are, despite having a universal 2+ armor save, an d sure they use bolt guns but they are very differant from marine bolters. TBH Custodes at their CORE have more differance from marines then SOBs do.
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2018/01/10 22:17:59
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
An Actual Englishman wrote: Why does everyone think plastic sisters would sell so much? They weren't popular back in the day, that's why they haven't been invested in with models. I get the distinct feeling 90% of people going on and on about their release wouldn't buy them.
People would buy them because "back in the day" the player numbers weren't this high. The player base has exploded out since then. People STILL buy the metal models just to play the army. They even caused the new sisters canonness to sell out online for multiple weeks. Clearly there is more than enough there to sell, GW is just too stupid to see it.
If the player base is 900% larger now...you could expect demand for each type of modle to go up evenly - so they'd make more selling another kind of model that isn't sisters. Sisters of battle is probably the army with the least actual interest for obvious reasons. The 20 or so people on dakka that never shut up about sisters are likely the only ones that want to play the dang army.
Yeah. Just like Custodes.
And I don't understand the reasoning that people follows. "A new kit should appeal to EVERYBODY to be economically viable": Do you know what is a "target"? Sisters of Battle by their own nature are very distinct.That means that they will be attractive to a group of customers that maybe don't buy other factions because they don't like them, just like they did with "Tau" and the asian-anime-scifi aesthetic.
Its a way to open your range of potential customers. Not everything you do should appeal to everybody. Just like at Kharadron Overlords from AoS. Is not about making "generic" factions that everyone kinda of likes. Is about making factions with strong themes that a group of people LOVES, even if that means others people HATE it.
The point is sisters have such a small target market that they aren't viable. Yea, the 20 people in here always bringing up sisters would love them, but they don't have much appeal and they cross over too much with other imperial armies.
The argument for sisters in plastic is dependent on whether the demographic of the market had changed and I'm not too sure it has.
2018/01/10 22:18:12
Subject: Re:If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
BrianDavion wrote: Sisters wear power armor with a 3+ save, they use bolt guns etc. How are they somehow "not marines" but Custodes are, despite having a universal 2+ armor save, an d sure they use bolt guns but they are very differant from marine bolters. TBH Custodes at their CORE have more differance from marines then SOBs do.
Thematically Sisters are more different as they are normal humans (and women!) while both Custodes and Marines are augmented superhuman giants. I think that matters more than the rules.
The point is sisters have such a small target market that they aren't viable. Yea, the 20 people in here always bringing up sisters would love them, but they don't have much appeal and they cross over too much with other imperial armies.
The argument for sisters in plastic is dependent on whether the demographic of the market had changed and I'm not too sure it has.
They don't need to be Marine levels popular to be profitable, they only need to be Genestealer Cults level popular (or AoS Fyreslayer level popular!)
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An Actual Englishman wrote: Why does everyone think plastic sisters would sell so much? They weren't popular back in the day, that's why they haven't been invested in with models. I get the distinct feeling 90% of people going on and on about their release wouldn't buy them.
People would buy them because "back in the day" the player numbers weren't this high. The player base has exploded out since then. People STILL buy the metal models just to play the army. They even caused the new sisters canonness to sell out online for multiple weeks. Clearly there is more than enough there to sell, GW is just too stupid to see it.
If the player base is 900% larger now...you could expect demand for each type of modle to go up evenly - so they'd make more selling another kind of model that isn't sisters. Sisters of battle is probably the army with the least actual interest for obvious reasons. The 20 or so people on dakka that never shut up about sisters are likely the only ones that want to play the dang army.
Yeah. Just like Custodes.
And I don't understand the reasoning that people follows. "A new kit should appeal to EVERYBODY to be economically viable": Do you know what is a "target"? Sisters of Battle by their own nature are very distinct.That means that they will be attractive to a group of customers that maybe don't buy other factions because they don't like them, just like they did with "Tau" and the asian-anime-scifi aesthetic.
Its a way to open your range of potential customers. Not everything you do should appeal to everybody. Just like at Kharadron Overlords from AoS. Is not about making "generic" factions that everyone kinda of likes. Is about making factions with strong themes that a group of people LOVES, even if that means others people HATE it.
Man. I remember all those 'We want custodes!' 'Custodes in Plastic!' 'Custodes Tactica thread' 'New Custodes' rumors threads we've had these last ten years...
Just like sisters.
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2018/01/10 22:27:17
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
An Actual Englishman wrote: Why does everyone think plastic sisters would sell so much? They weren't popular back in the day, that's why they haven't been invested in with models. I get the distinct feeling 90% of people going on and on about their release wouldn't buy them.
People would buy them because "back in the day" the player numbers weren't this high. The player base has exploded out since then. People STILL buy the metal models just to play the army. They even caused the new sisters canonness to sell out online for multiple weeks. Clearly there is more than enough there to sell, GW is just too stupid to see it.
If the player base is 900% larger now...you could expect demand for each type of modle to go up evenly - so they'd make more selling another kind of model that isn't sisters. Sisters of battle is probably the army with the least actual interest for obvious reasons. The 20 or so people on dakka that never shut up about sisters are likely the only ones that want to play the dang army.
Yeah. Just like Custodes.
And I don't understand the reasoning that people follows. "A new kit should appeal to EVERYBODY to be economically viable": Do you know what is a "target"? Sisters of Battle by their own nature are very distinct.That means that they will be attractive to a group of customers that maybe don't buy other factions because they don't like them, just like they did with "Tau" and the asian-anime-scifi aesthetic.
Its a way to open your range of potential customers. Not everything you do should appeal to everybody. Just like at Kharadron Overlords from AoS. Is not about making "generic" factions that everyone kinda of likes. Is about making factions with strong themes that a group of people LOVES, even if that means others people HATE it.
Man. I remember all those 'We want custodes!' 'Custodes in Plastic!' 'Custodes Tactica thread' 'New Custodes' rumors threads we've had these last ten years...
Just like sisters.
Nah man. "An English Gentelman" knows all the data so he can categorically assert than SoB have such a small target market that they aren't viable. We all know Genestealer Cultists, Adeptus Mechanicus and Harlequines have always been much more popular armies.
The point is sisters have such a small target market that they aren't viable. Yea, the 20 people in here always bringing up sisters would love them, but they don't have much appeal and they cross over too much with other imperial armies.
The argument for sisters in plastic is dependent on whether the demographic of the market had changed and I'm not too sure it has.
They don't need to be Marine levels popular to be profitable, they only need to be Genestealer Cults level popular (or AoS Fyreslayer level popular!)
Is funny you said that because Fyreslayers have jumped from being the probably least collected AoS army to one of the most popular ones, specially in tournaments. Who would have guessed than a very nice SC! that actually reduces the cost of a big kit by 20€ and OP competitive rules would do that?!
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2018/01/10 22:32:46
Subject: Re:If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
They don't need to be Marine levels popular to be profitable, they only need to be Genestealer Cults level popular (or AoS Fyreslayer level popular!)
To recast an entire range is another thing entirely to releasing a small faction or a faction that borrows a ton of units from other ranges.
I think sisters have the double problem of "visually distinct and unique" with "not a massive market".
GSC are actually a very, very clever release by GW because it is a cross imperium xenos faction. Not too different for the imperials, not too normal for the xenos. It's appeal should be fairly widespread but I don't think it did amazingly.
I might be wrong but I just hope the noise around sisters is relative to spend.
Nah man. "An English Gentelman" knows all the data so he can categorically assert than SoB have such a small target market that they aren't viable. We all know Genestealer Cultists, Adeptus Mechanicus and Harlequines have always been much more popular armies.
You don't have to have "all the data" to make general statements and I haven't "categorically asserted" anything. It's just if you have a few brain cells and have been in the hobby for a little while, plus you use something called common sense you might realise that GW is a business and reacts as a business would to sales. If Sister's sold (like ahem, Space Marines) they would be invested in. Crazy right? Now take your back handed insults elsewhere.
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2018/01/10 22:41:32
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
I'm not insulting anyone, but I'll admit I have been very condescending, I apologize for that.
But is just disigenuos to say that, if something don't sells like Space Marines, GW don't invest on it. It doesn't invest as much, of course. But it is obvious that they don't invest JUST in space marines.
Where was the "excitement" and "player interest" for Kharadron Overlords before they where released? Or for Sylvaneth? Could you say with a straight face that more people wanted Custodes and Genestealer Cults than Sisters of Battle?
The reality is: If a new release has cool models and good rules, it will sell (And they are affordable: For reference look at GSC or the difference between Fyreslayers pre and post Start Collecting!). End of the question. It doesn't need any kind of previous build-up. The fact that Sisters of Silence have one, compared with Kharadron Overlords, is just a plus.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2018/01/10 22:51:25
Subject: Re:If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
The point is sisters have such a small target market that they aren't viable. Yea, the 20 people in here always bringing up sisters would love them, but they don't have much appeal and they cross over too much with other imperial armies.
The argument for sisters in plastic is dependent on whether the demographic of the market had changed and I'm not too sure it has.
I am one who would jump at a Sisters army if it were given a proper plastic release. I just don't want to buy an all-metal army that cost the same as about 2-3 other armies combined and is only available through Direct Order. What is your argument that this is such a small target market compared to the other new factions released in the past 2 years?
I would claim you are wrong about the appeal. As the only mostly all-women army in the game they would actually provide a unique appeal no other 40k army can provide. Also, cross over with other imperial armies doesn't seem to be an issue for GW who tends to make a lot of power armor already.
The demography has changed and is always evolving. Expecting the same British boys to be playing this game eternally without any change kinda ignores the overall changes in the gaming industry at large(both table and video). Hell, GW making more female miniatures means that they are detecting a certain change in the demography.
2018/01/10 22:53:36
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
I don't think only Space Marines should be released but I also think there is a big cross over with Sisters and Marines. I'm simply stating that the market for Sisters MIGHT be smaller than for any other faction despite all the noise around it.
If you ask an average dude what looks coolest out of - Alien Menace, Heroic Super Human, Rambo/Arnie wannabes and Nuns with Guns who you think is gonna come in last?
To be honest, I think the reason they were so unpopular around here was the whole hyper religious thing. I feel like their schtick is their biggest weakness, they are representative of exactly what the Emperor wanted to stamp out and people are becoming less religious generally IRL too.
Something that I THINK WOULD FLY OFF THE SHELVES would be a Sisters vs Corrupted Sisters starter set. The corrupted Sisters would link to a Slaanesh release at some point and would likely be allied to them. That would give them a) a mortal enemy and b) a little more depth as a faction.
2018/01/10 23:07:10
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
If you ask an average dude what looks coolest out of - Alien Menace, Heroic Super Human, Rambo/Arnie wannabes and Nuns with Guns who you think is gonna come in last?
Obviously Rambo/Arnie wannabes. Have you seen Catachan models?
To be honest, I think the reason they were so unpopular around here was the whole hyper religious thing. I feel like their schtick is their biggest weakness, they are representative of exactly what the Emperor wanted to stamp out and people are becoming less religious generally IRL too.
That's crazy talk. People don't need to be brainwashed psychotic murderers to like the Marines nor do they need to be religious to like the Sisters.
Something that I THINK WOULD FLY OFF THE SHELVES would be a Sisters vs Corrupted Sisters starter set. The corrupted Sisters would link to a Slaanesh release at some point and would likely be allied to them. That would give them a) a mortal enemy and b) a little more depth as a faction.
No. Slaaneshi sisters is one thing that should absolutely never happen. That you even suggest it proves that you have irredeemably terrible taste and no one should ever listen you, probably about anything.
An Actual Englishman wrote: I don't think only Space Marines should be released but I also think there is a big cross over with Sisters and Marines. I'm simply stating that the market for Sisters MIGHT be smaller than for any other faction despite all the noise around it.
If you ask an average dude what looks coolest out of - Alien Menace, Heroic Super Human, Rambo/Arnie wannabes and Nuns with Guns who you think is gonna come in last?
To be honest, I think the reason they were so unpopular around here was the whole hyper religious thing. I feel like their schtick is their biggest weakness, they are representative of exactly what the Emperor wanted to stamp out and people are becoming less religious generally IRL too.
Something that I THINK WOULD FLY OFF THE SHELVES would be a Sisters vs Corrupted Sisters starter set. The corrupted Sisters would link to a Slaanesh release at some point and would likely be allied to them. That would give them a) a mortal enemy and b) a little more depth as a faction.
I would absolutely detest that. Khornate would be fine. I hate the fact that every goddamn time I see/hear about fallen sisters, it's related to Slaneesh.
Anyway, a f vs. f box is also not what is needed, ever. Sisters vs. Tyranids would be ideal from one perspective, Sisters vs. Renegade Guard would be best from another.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
2018/01/10 23:15:29
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
Crimson wrote: Obviously Rambo/Arnie wannabes. Have you seen Catachan models?
Agreed.
That's crazy talk. People don't need to be brainwashed psychotic murderers to like the Marines nor do they need to be religious to like the Sisters.
I didn't say you needed to be, I said that there is a negative perception of religious fervour these days and for whatever reason (that is way, waaaay outside the scope of this thread) it's more acceptable for the "baddies" to be religious nutjobs than the "goodies".
No. Slaaneshi sisters is one thing that should absolutely never happen. That you even suggest it proves that you have irredeemably terrible taste and no one should ever listen you, probably about anything.
Let me ask all ya'll Sisters guys a question then; would you take plastic Sisters if they also released plastic Slaaneshi/Chaos Corrupted Sisters? To me it totally should happen, I mean if Astartes can fall and man can fall, why can't women? Gender equality and all that. The only problem with it is that it likely wouldn't be PG13 soooooooo doubtful is an understatement.
2018/01/10 23:23:55
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
Crimson wrote: Obviously Rambo/Arnie wannabes. Have you seen Catachan models?
Agreed.
That's crazy talk. People don't need to be brainwashed psychotic murderers to like the Marines nor do they need to be religious to like the Sisters.
I didn't say you needed to be, I said that there is a negative perception of religious fervour these days and for whatever reason (that is way, waaaay outside the scope of this thread) it's more acceptable for the "baddies" to be religious nutjobs than the "goodies".
No. Slaaneshi sisters is one thing that should absolutely never happen. That you even suggest it proves that you have irredeemably terrible taste and no one should ever listen you, probably about anything.
Let me ask all ya'll Sisters guys a question then; would you take plastic Sisters if they also released plastic Slaaneshi/Chaos Corrupted Sisters? To me it totally should happen, I mean if Astartes can fall and man can fall, why can't women? Gender equality and all that. The only problem with it is that it likely wouldn't be PG13 soooooooo doubtful is an understatement.
Not with Slaneeshi ones. I would need to find someone to castrate.
As I said, Khornate Sisters would be something I could accept. I think it's very important that "fallen" female warriors not be exclusively devoted to the god of sex and drugs.
Slaneeshi Sisters would not be encouraging equality, it would be the absolute worst thing you could do from that perspective.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
2018/01/10 23:29:58
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
To be honest, I think the reason they were so unpopular around here was the whole hyper religious thing. I feel like their schtick is their biggest weakness, they are representative of exactly what the Emperor wanted to stamp out and people are becoming less religious generally IRL too.
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I disagree, the religious aspect of the sisters isn't something that appeals to the deeply religious (in fact they proably find it insulting) the religious aspect honestly is more something that appeals to those who can understand the over the top religious aspect of 40k is supposed to be well.. kind of a joke. it's BASICLY parody.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2018/01/10 23:33:23
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
Why wouldn't they be associated with all the gods like, yknow, everyone else to fall? That is equality; men, women and posthumans all falling the same. People think Slaanesh first because Slaanesh is the only chaos God that has clearly female servants. There's already a visual distinction there and he/she is also the only god who's line hasn't been updated. I would also add that Slaanesh is the god of pleasure, not just sexual pleasure. It's not a stretch to imagine an insanely religious nun being tempted to greater acts of violence through "the voice of her Lord" guiding her and rewarding her with the pleasure of affirmation.
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2018/01/10 23:33:38
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
An Actual Englishman wrote: I don't think only Space Marines should be released but I also think there is a big cross over with Sisters and Marines. I'm simply stating that the market for Sisters MIGHT be smaller than for any other faction despite all the noise around it.
If you ask an average dude what looks coolest out of - Alien Menace, Heroic Super Human, Rambo/Arnie wannabes and Nuns with Guns who you think is gonna come in last?
To be honest, I think the reason they were so unpopular around here was the whole hyper religious thing. I feel like their schtick is their biggest weakness, they are representative of exactly what the Emperor wanted to stamp out and people are becoming less religious generally IRL too.
Something that I THINK WOULD FLY OFF THE SHELVES would be a Sisters vs Corrupted Sisters starter set. The corrupted Sisters would link to a Slaanesh release at some point and would likely be allied to them. That would give them a) a mortal enemy and b) a little more depth as a faction.
I would absolutely detest that. Khornate would be fine. I hate the fact that every goddamn time I see/hear about fallen sisters, it's related to Slaneesh.
Anyway, a f vs. f box is also not what is needed, ever. Sisters vs. Tyranids would be ideal from one perspective, Sisters vs. Renegade Guard would be best from another.
To be honest theres only one "fallen sister", and its slaanesh, yeah.
But is not like Khornate is better, you know, the "red rage" jokes and all of that
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2018/01/10 23:38:56
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
To be honest, I think the reason they were so unpopular around here was the whole hyper religious thing. I feel like their schtick is their biggest weakness, they are representative of exactly what the Emperor wanted to stamp out and people are becoming less religious generally IRL too.
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I disagree, the religious aspect of the sisters isn't something that appeals to the deeply religious (in fact they proably find it insulting) the religious aspect honestly is more something that appeals to those who can understand the over the top religious aspect of 40k is supposed to be well.. kind of a joke. it's BASICLY parody.
An Actual Englishman wrote: I don't think only Space Marines should be released but I also think there is a big cross over with Sisters and Marines. I'm simply stating that the market for Sisters MIGHT be smaller than for any other faction despite all the noise around it.
If you ask an average dude what looks coolest out of - Alien Menace, Heroic Super Human, Rambo/Arnie wannabes and Nuns with Guns who you think is gonna come in last?
To be honest, I think the reason they were so unpopular around here was the whole hyper religious thing. I feel like their schtick is their biggest weakness, they are representative of exactly what the Emperor wanted to stamp out and people are becoming less religious generally IRL too.
Something that I THINK WOULD FLY OFF THE SHELVES would be a Sisters vs Corrupted Sisters starter set. The corrupted Sisters would link to a Slaanesh release at some point and would likely be allied to them. That would give them a) a mortal enemy and b) a little more depth as a faction.
I would absolutely detest that. Khornate would be fine. I hate the fact that every goddamn time I see/hear about fallen sisters, it's related to Slaneesh.
Anyway, a f vs. f box is also not what is needed, ever. Sisters vs. Tyranids would be ideal from one perspective, Sisters vs. Renegade Guard would be best from another.
To be honest theres only one "fallen sister", and its slaanesh, yeah.
But is not like Khornate is better, you know, the "red rage" jokes and all of that
Slaneeshi Sisters perpetuates the message that the status quo is entirely tolerable. It's not. Khornate Sisters carry the opposite message, even if they have barbarian loincloths and chainmail bikinis.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
2018/01/10 23:41:42
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
Satire tends to go over the head of a 13 year old hobbyist though, hence their lack of popularity. When the person is old enough to "get it" he's committed to another few armies already.
2018/01/10 23:44:18
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
I'm sure their lack of popularty has to do with [Insert here reason] and not with the fact that they are a 20 year old range of full metal and very expensive miniatures that can be only bought by direct-order to GW website.
And the "Sisters weren't popular back in the day" isn't a real reason for their actual situation. You know what wasn't popular? Dark Eldars. Do you know what was, at the time, as popular as space marines and Imperial Guard? Squats.
For me the only reason they been abandoned all this time? Nobody in the GW studio is really a fan of them, and they can't come up with something that they think is "good enough". That, and Kirby management.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2018/01/11 00:10:12
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote: Slaneeshi Sisters perpetuates the message that the status quo is entirely tolerable. It's not. Khornate Sisters carry the opposite message, even if they have barbarian loincloths and chainmail bikinis.
Slightly confused, status quo as in the line being ignored, or status quo like focusing on slaanesh sisters, or status quo like sisters of battle being weirdly sexualized what with the gimp chainsaw nuns?
Tbh, I'd kinda prefer they just let sisters not have a chaos counterpart, play up the incorruptible bit. Sure it's generic, but there are extremely good reasons to not encourage certain portions of the community. I really don't want to see what sort of conversions someone will bring to the table for sisters of nurgle.
2018/01/11 00:19:15
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
I disagree, the religious aspect of the sisters isn't something that appeals to the deeply religious (in fact they proably find it insulting) the religious aspect honestly is more something that appeals to those who can understand the over the top religious aspect of 40k is supposed to be well.. kind of a joke. it's BASICLY parody.
Yep, exactly.
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An Actual Englishman wrote: Satire tends to go over the head of a 13 year old hobbyist though, hence their lack of popularity. When the person is old enough to "get it" he's committed to another few armies already.
When person is old enough to 'get it', they also might have a salary to insta buy a full Sisters army.
And generally designing things so that they appeal to 13-year-olds is a terrible idea. 13-year-olds usually have terrible taste regarding everything.
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Tokhuah wrote: Instead of Sisters I think there should be Necron fembots with big metal cone boobs... with banana hats.
Seriously, are SoB mechanically very different from all other SMs?
A little. We're more aggressive, harder hitting, and a lot more fragile.
Also, there is at least one female necron; from IA 12. She doesn't have a model, though.
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2018/01/11 00:40:27
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
Tokhuah wrote: Instead of Sisters I think there should be Necron fembots with big metal cone boobs... with banana hats.
Seriously, are SoB mechanically very different from all other SMs?
Yes very much so. They are cheaper and die so much faster than marines due to that 3 Toughness. Their major mechanic of Faith has never behaved like Chapter Tactics given the fact its something we have to roll to pull off and not just get automatically. We do not have psykers and never have. I'm not counting Inquisitors as they are not members of the Sororitas or the Church once they join the Inquisition.
2018/01/11 00:42:19
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
That was just a dagger in the heart to us old Squat players. They released a Squat range that wasn't for 40k. Grombrindal's wearing fu*kin exo armour for crying out loud.
I would stop buying new Salamander stuff and spend waaaaay too much Money on new Squats or plastic Sisters.
I will agree that they do need to update (New models/codex) Dark Eldar, Orks, Necrons, and T'au (not that I care about fish people) before more human (post or not) armies.
2018/01/11 00:52:25
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
Plastic sisters would sell like crazy, almost every 40k fan I've spoken to IRL would love to see them, and many of them would buy an army in a heartbeat. It would also bring GW a lot of goodwill, the lack of plastic sisters is a meme that's not doing GW any good by this point.
The reasons so few people play Sisters are the current sculpts, the metal models, the price, the lack of updates and maybe the webstore exclusivity. The concept and visual style are both widely appealing.
Craftworld Sciatháin 4180 pts
2018/01/11 03:06:24
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
An Actual Englishman wrote: Why does everyone think plastic sisters would sell so much? They weren't popular back in the day, that's why they haven't been invested in with models. I get the distinct feeling 90% of people going on and on about their release wouldn't buy them.
People would buy them because "back in the day" the player numbers weren't this high. The player base has exploded out since then. People STILL buy the metal models just to play the army. They even caused the new sisters canonness to sell out online for multiple weeks. Clearly there is more than enough there to sell, GW is just too stupid to see it.
If the player base is 900% larger now...you could expect demand for each type of modle to go up evenly - so they'd make more selling another kind of model that isn't sisters. Sisters of battle is probably the army with the least actual interest for obvious reasons. The 20 or so people on dakka that never shut up about sisters are likely the only ones that want to play the dang army.
Yeah. Just like Custodes.
And I don't understand the reasoning that people follows. "A new kit should appeal to EVERYBODY to be economically viable": Do you know what is a "target"? Sisters of Battle by their own nature are very distinct.That means that they will be attractive to a group of customers that maybe don't buy other factions because they don't like them, just like they did with "Tau" and the asian-anime-scifi aesthetic.
Its a way to open your range of potential customers. Not everything you do should appeal to everybody. Just like at Kharadron Overlords from AoS. Is not about making "generic" factions that everyone kinda of likes. Is about making factions with strong themes that a group of people LOVES, even if that means others people HATE it.
The point is sisters have such a small target market that they aren't viable. Yea, the 20 people in here always bringing up sisters would love them, but they don't have much appeal and they cross over too much with other imperial armies.
The argument for sisters in plastic is dependent on whether the demographic of the market had changed and I'm not too sure it has.
Yunno what other army clearly doesn't have any crossover with other army, and a small enough target market that they're probably not viable? Orkz. Why do you think they haven't seen but 1-2 kits or a halfway decent codex since 5th? It's a non-eldar xenos army so it doesn't crossover with anything, and yeah the 20 people who really really love orkz have HUGE armies, but they're not going to be buying anything anymore.
And yeah, Orkz have some mass appeal, the whole faction is a glorified fart joke, but I don't know how many 12 year olds can really afford a horde army at GW prices.
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Tokhuah wrote: Instead of Sisters I think there should be Necron fembots with big metal cone boobs... with banana hats.
Seriously, are SoB mechanically very different from all other SMs?
SoB actually play closer to Ynnari than Space marines.
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2018/01/11 03:48:14
Subject: If Sisters of Battle are next codex after Custodes then Thousand Sons how would you feel?
I would prefer a sisters release to be after some xenos as im sick of all the imperial updates.
A plastic sisters release with plastic model prices would be oh so very welcome. Current prices are so beyond stupid its not funny and the only reason im not adding more girls.
Gotta say, i hate the idea of corrupted sisters with a passion that burns with the fire of a thousand suns.
Its one of their sticks. Thatd be like having corrupted grey knights.
Sisters being released opposite Word Bearers, now thats a matchup that makes sense to me and id love to see.
Craftworld Sciatháin 4180 pts 