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17? I had... different priorities at 17...


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That's not your average coastal redneck name.

 Ouze wrote:
The problem is if you get rid of all the excess doors schools have and pitch them into the sea, you're just going to raise sea levels. Truly we can't win.

Not to mention you'd violate all sorts of safety regulations - large buildings need to have a certain amount of emergency exits in case of fires etc.

And ofc, only one way in means only one way out. Why would a shooter walk into the building at all if he can wait in a van outside, knowing everyone has to come out that way?

The doors thing is just stupid for so many reasons I shouldn't even have to explain why, but I am sure we will.

..sure show those libs by.. dying in a raging inferno .. ?

Fire codes are for the weak, burning is gods own etc etc yadda yadda.

Reassuring to know though that restrictive bottlenecks -- the cure for so many deadly scenarios -- are going to come back in fashion at last !



Apparently Gov Abott says 2 weapons were used: a shotgun and .38 revolver.

" Father legally owned weapons, unclear if father knew they were taken by son."

... gonna go out on a limb and assume -- or hope at least -- that the father didn't know his son had, you know, taken his guns to school to kill loads of people.

 Easy E wrote:
The doors thing is just stupid for so many reasons I shouldn't even have to explain why, but I am sure we will.

In your defense if you knew the politician making the statement, you would not be surprised. This is the guy who tried to have a special session of the state legislature to implement one of those restroom ban things as a great pressing need to be dealt with for the state, and was concerned about Jade Helm being a thing.

Another month, another appalling shooting. Is this going to be another white, men’s rights slob that has crawled out of mum’s basement to take revenge upon the whole world that has wronged him?

Maybe. It seems to have become an acceptable way to gain fame. Thanks internet.

But he could be a terrorist et Al. Should be investigated.

 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

I personally will happily slam the NRA personally. Looking at them today, their programs and rhetoric are painfully Goebellian (particularly Loesch and LaPierre), and even on gun topics they appear far more interested in being a wing of the GOP and keeping their fundraising apparatus than advancing the 2A as a civil rights issue, their silence on matters like the Castile shooting, the NFA repeal petition that got hundreds of thousands of signatures on the WH site, etc makes it hard to square a lot of their rhetoric.

We are actually in agreement there.

Same. I own what, like 8 guns? and have nothing for contempt for the NRA. I wish they would return to simply being advocates for gun safety and education instead of what they're doing now, and that's before we get into the fact they literally picked Oliver North as their president, which I would have deemed too ridiculous to even throw out there as a joke previous to it happening.

Well I mean it isn't every day that a major GOP fundraising organization hires on a man who committed treason for a president who also happened to be a republican

Heavy.com said he had some iconography on a trench coat he would wear every day. They posted an image of a post where he explains the significance of these symbols. One of them is Cthulhu and he equates it to power...so, he appears to be delusional as well?

https://heavy.com/news/2018/05/dimitrios-pagourtzis/
The post he made about the coat.
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/dimitios-facebook.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=318&strip=all

I heard that on average, we have had 1 school shooting incident a week.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/02/us/school-shootings-2018-list-trnd/index.html

This appears to just be acts where shooting occurred on the school grounds including elementary, HS, and post-secondary, so it is not just the usual things you assocaite in your head with school shootings.

Our suicide rate among males has been steadily climbing for decades.
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/suicide.shtml#part_154969
We have an unhealthy society and it’s made worse by the level of notoriety and infamy that is granted to murder suicides. This is a problem throughout Western society, Australia was recently shocked by a murder suicide of an entire family. Here in the US we have more people, more guns, more drugs and contributing cultural differences that exacerbate the problem.

Also this took place in Texas one of the most gun friendly states in the union, where was that good guy with a gun to stop it?

 Ustrello wrote:
Also this took place in Texas one of the most gun friendly states in the union, where was that good guy with a gun to stop it?

Good guys tend to not take their guns into “gun free zones” because they, like 99.9% of gun owners, obey the law.

Basic mass shooter MO is to do it in places where good guys won’t be carrying their guns to intervene.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Also this took place in Texas one of the most gun friendly states in the union, where was that good guy with a gun to stop it?

Good guys tend to not take their guns into “gun free zones” because they, like 99.9% of gun owners, obey the law.

Basic mass shooter MO is to do it in places where good guys won’t be carrying their guns to intervene.

Well one did show up open carrying a pistol on the grounds of the high school where a mass shooting had occurred hours earlier

It's 10 dead now.

 Ustrello wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Also this took place in Texas one of the most gun friendly states in the union, where was that good guy with a gun to stop it?

Good guys tend to not take their guns into “gun free zones” because they, like 99.9% of gun owners, obey the law.

Basic mass shooter MO is to do it in places where good guys won’t be carrying their guns to intervene.

Well one did show up open carrying a pistol on the grounds of the high school where a mass shooting had occurred hours earlier

Yes, after the fact, just like police. The “where was the good guy with a gun to stop this haw haw gotcha!” type comments don’t really work when you’re talking about a place that doesn’t allow the good guys to carry a gun.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Also this took place in Texas one of the most gun friendly states in the union, where was that good guy with a gun to stop it?

Good guys tend to not take their guns into “gun free zones” because they, like 99.9% of gun owners, obey the law.

Basic mass shooter MO is to do it in places where good guys won’t be carrying their guns to intervene.

Well one did show up open carrying a pistol on the grounds of the high school where a mass shooting had occurred hours earlier

Yes, after the fact, just like police. The “where was the good guy with a gun to stop this haw haw gotcha!” type comments don’t really work when you’re talking about a place that doesn’t allow the good guys to carry a gun.

And you assume it was a gun free zone?

And you assume it was a gun free zone?

It's a high school...so...Yes?

 SOFDC wrote:

And you assume it was a gun free zone?

It's a high school...so...Yes?

Well looking at the laws in texas you are kinda wrong there

The fact that they found bombs as well as guns should be eye-opening for all the anti-gun people. If we take away all the guns, criminals who can't get them on the black market will start using bombs, knives, clubs, cars and trucks, or even their bare hands to kill people. It's a mental health problem, not a gun problem.

TBH I'm surprised they took the shooter(s) alive. They usually kill themselves rather than face justice. Maybe that means that they intend to spread more hateful rhetoric at their trial or something, like some kind of dumbass martyrdom thing.

Well he was a neo-nazi, or at least posted a lot of their usual gak on social media

 Ustrello wrote:

 SOFDC wrote:

And you assume it was a gun free zone?

It's a high school...so...Yes?

Well looking at the laws in texas you are kinda wrong there

Texas law allows individuals with a carry permit to legally carry on school grounds but that doesn’t mean that there was actually anyone armed at the school.
https://www.tasb.org/Services/Legal-Services/TASB-School-Law-eSource/Business/documents/firearms_on_dist_property.pdf

We consistently see that in these shootings the murderers don’t stop until they are confronted with an armed response typically police that results in their suicide, death or apprehension. The longer the response takes to arrive the higher the death toll which is why after Columbine police departments changed their response protocol to be that the officers that arrive first proceed directly to confront the shooter and stop the carnage.

Well looking at the laws in texas you are kinda wrong there

IF you have a CHL, and IF you are -concealed- carrying, and IF you have written authorization from the school (You aren't getting this.)...Yes. Just because you can carry at community colleges and universities doesn't necessarily apply to K-12, and even when it does open carry is still off the table.

Nostromodamus wrote:The “where was the good guy with a gun to stop this haw haw gotcha!” type comments don’t really work when you’re talking about a place that doesn’t allow the good guys to carry a gun.

There's no evidence even a single mass shooting has had it's venue selected on the basis of being a gun-free zone or not. People shoot up places they have a connection to; and the last 3 major mass shootings have all occurred in states with the some of the loosest gun laws in the country.

Gun free zones clearly do little to discourage mass shootings, but neither do they attract them, I don't think.

 Ustrello wrote:

 SOFDC wrote:

And you assume it was a gun free zone?

It's a high school...so...Yes?

Well looking at the laws in texas you are kinda wrong there

NO. It is illegal for civilians.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 SOFDC wrote:

And you assume it was a gun free zone?

It's a high school...so...Yes?

Well looking at the laws in texas you are kinda wrong there

NO. It is illegal for civilians.

Not what the law posted above is saying

 Frazzled wrote:
NO. It is illegal for civilians.

Best I can tell about 150-170 districts in Texas allow teachers to concealed carry with certain restrictions. This is out of about 1300 districts so it's a distinct minority. It's not always illegal but it's definitely uncommon.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
The fact that they found bombs as well as guns should be eye-opening for all the anti-gun people. If we take away all the guns, criminals who can't get them on the black market will start using bombs, knives, clubs, cars and trucks, or even their bare hands to kill people. It's a mental health problem, not a gun problem.

None of the other methods you've mentioned are as effective as guns. The Boston Marathon bombs, which went off in crowded streets, injured many but only actually killed 3 people. Compared to Santa Fe, or Parkland, or the concert in Vegas, that doesn't seem so bad.

Crispy78 wrote:
None of the other methods you've mentioned are as effective as guns. The Boston Marathon bombs, which went off in crowded streets, injured many but only actually killed 3 people. Compared to Santa Fe, or Parkland, or the concert in Vegas, that doesn't seem so bad.

Besides, what with War on Terror and the intelligence operations spawned by it someone buying up materials for building bombs (and checking manuals on the net) is pretty likely to get caught before he's ready. Or even more likely to be contacted by the FBI who let some undercover agent help and egg the suspect on so they can arrest him for terrorism instead of preparing a violent crime...

Guns is much easier.

Why even report this as news? Americans decided they want these over alternatives so it's not even newsworthy.