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The mechanicum killzone is $80 with twice that in terrain in the box. So the mat is a silly KT size. If you want a RoB board you can use the savings on the terrain to get yourself one. 40k players in the mood for terrain are getting a deal with the Killzone boxes (compared to regular GW prices anyways, I play Sisters, your pain amuses me)...
Seriously though. I think the Kill Team board size is deliberate. They fit quite nicely on tables that are normally used to play Magic. Opportunity lost to give everyone cheap RoB boards? Perhaps. Opportunity to break in to a new market with a small buy in game that doesn't require stores themselves to reconfigure their layout just to play the game? Seems likely.
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Well, you could buy 6 expansions and make a 3ft8" x 7ft6" (44"x90") board. Could even rip off 1ft6" and have a 3ft8" x 6ft? Plus a gakk ton of GW Terrain at a bargain
Odrankt wrote: Well, you could buy 6 expansions and make a 3ft8" x 7ft6" (44"x90") board. Could even rip off 1ft6" and have a 3ft8" x 6ft? Plus a gakk ton of GW Terrain at a bargain
To have reasonabie board for 40k you just need then 1 row for first. 2nd is masochism unless you ply like 1000pts games
Sgt_Smudge wrote: Who cares? It's packaged with 22x30, but you can play on a bigger one if you want. Nothing's stopping you. Kill Team is Kill Team, not 40k.
The main priority of the expansions is a cheap(er) collection of terrain and some extra rules - not for a sheet of cardboard.
The point is that the product could have been useful for other games and therefore a more appealing purpose if it was a standard 24x24 size, but instead it's an awkward 22x30 that will see zero use anywhere else and zero additional sales.
Demonstrably flase. Hyperbole again.
We've already had people state they plan to buy and use the Kill Zone sets for 40k. Some people aren't fussed about hitting 6x4.
Now it might have had greater additional sales sure, but let's keep it reasonable.
Ummm.. Nope.
Demonstrably true.
As in
this very thread is a demonstration that what Peregrine says is truth.
Hey guys! GW has stated the boards for this and Shadespire fit standard card tables in most gaming shops. If you go to a store and look, they're right. It is perfect! It's not a conspiracy, its not a missed opportunity. In fact, new players are going to try to play it on those tables - not try to put together a dozen of them to make the best apocalypse table in the world. Happy to help!
I will not be investing and if the boards could be scaled up into standard 40k then I would.
That is zero.
A zero sure but certainly Peregrone's statement is true.
Generally sure i can see some kids linin up a couple boards to play 40k as well as their allowances might allow
All the while aspiring to play on a standard table
And cursing GW for making them save up for another game board of the proper size.
Sooooo... I would count that as a less than zero in the end.
You want to have a standard 1850pt game on a 44x60inch table then roll onward but especially in this bloated alpha srike dominated edition well... Enjoy. I would count that as a less tjan zero too.
So i will go farther to say that this sort of marketing to try to spin 40k into multiple standalone systems with apparently zero crossover potential and no plans for it (this is my big disappointment with these expansion boxes) will breed confusion and ultimately resentment enough to nullify any novice killteam board usage. Sum thus zero.
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mugginns wrote: Hey guys! GW has stated the boards for this and Shadespire fit standard card tables in most gaming shops. If you go to a store and look, they're right. It is perfect! It's not a conspiracy, its not a missed opportunity. In fact, new players are going to try to play it on those tables - not try to put together a dozen of them to make the best apocalypse table in the world. Happy to help!
Yeay. A card game!!!!
Cards are low overhead high profit margin often lost or wrecked with beer spillage. Great idea. Now if we can just get rid of these pesky models and the idea that this is a scale wargame then finally we can all hold hands around a card table to play KillTeam:the gathering
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Stux wrote: It's not true. Zero use and zero sales? Absolutely false.
Bit exaggerated yes but you need 9 of those minimum for 40k game. Basically if you plan to play kill team AND 40k might just as well get proper one. This sells for kill team but for 40k bad option.
You have made it very clear that standard board size is important to you. What I don't get is why you would skip out on a good deal for terrain you actually like and for a rules set that is likely superior to 8th just because the bonus starter board wasn't standard size.
Missed opportunity? Sure.
Reason to skip the product? Not really.
Also, I seriously doubt most casual players even have a 4 by 6 table to begin with. I know I'm going to use 4 boards to play 40k knowing full well that isn't "standard" cuz I really don't care. I'm not sure I've ever even played on a standard table (I've come close I suppose but never exactly 4 by 6, usually due to table size).
Lastly, you may want to reconsider mugginns post. He's saying that the board size is extremely convenient for every possible non-40k gamer/geek out there. Of course if you were trying to be funny then whatever I guess.
Anyway if you're done venting can we move on? Maybe send an email to GW for a 4 by 6 board for sale on the cheap and call it good?
mugginns wrote: Hey guys! GW has stated the boards for this and Shadespire fit standard card tables in most gaming shops. If you go to a store and look, they're right. It is perfect! It's not a conspiracy, its not a missed opportunity. In fact, new players are going to try to play it on those tables - not try to put together a dozen of them to make the best apocalypse table in the world. Happy to help!
Yeay. A card game!!!!
Cards are low overhead high profit margin often lost or wrecked with beer spillage. Great idea. Now if we can just get rid of these pesky models and the idea that this is a scale wargame then finally we can all hold hands around a card table to play KillTeam:the gathering
Dandelion wrote: You have made it very clear that standard board size is important to you. What I don't get is why you would skip out on a good deal for terrain you actually like and for a rules set that is likely superior to 8th just because the bonus starter board wasn't standard size.
Missed opportunity? Sure.
Reason to skip the product? Not really.
Also, I seriously doubt most casual players even have a 4 by 6 table to begin with. I know I'm going to use 4 boards to play 40k knowing full well that isn't "standard" cuz I really don't care. I'm not sure I've ever even played on a standard table (I've come close I suppose but never exactly 4 by 6, usually due to table size).
Lastly, you may want to reconsider mugginns post. He's saying that the board size is extremely convenient for every possible non-40k gamer/geek out there. Of course if you were trying to be funny then whatever I guess.
Anyway if you're done venting can we move on? Maybe send an email to GW for a 4 by 6 board for sale on the cheap and call it good?
4 of those kill team boards? I hope max point size is 500pts or it's self torture rather than 40k. Hell even 4'x6' is too small for 1500-2000 pts 40k.
They are cardboardish, so yes. Though I suspect you would want to leave complete boards in the middle and just use the cuts at the edge so you don't blow up the pattern and spoil the look.
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Dandelion wrote: You have made it very clear that standard board size is important to you. What I don't get is why you would skip out on a good deal for terrain you actually like and for a rules set that is likely superior to 8th just because the bonus starter board wasn't standard size.
Missed opportunity? Sure.
Reason to skip the product? Not really.
Also, I seriously doubt most casual players even have a 4 by 6 table to begin with. I know I'm going to use 4 boards to play 40k knowing full well that isn't "standard" cuz I really don't care. I'm not sure I've ever even played on a standard table (I've come close I suppose but never exactly 4 by 6, usually due to table size).
Lastly, you may want to reconsider mugginns post. He's saying that the board size is extremely convenient for every possible non-40k gamer/geek out there. Of course if you were trying to be funny then whatever I guess.
Anyway if you're done venting can we move on? Maybe send an email to GW for a 4 by 6 board for sale on the cheap and call it good?
4 of those kill team boards? I hope max point size is 500pts or it's self torture rather than 40k. Hell even 4'x6' is too small for 1500-2000 pts 40k.
750 pts to 1000 pts is usually what I play. And 4 boards gets you 44" by 60" or a 4ish by 5 board. Since I've been playing 4 by 4 already it's actually bigger.
I am not saying you are wrong Original Poster since you have your opinion and it doesn't suit you. My question is, what is really the problem?
Are you planning to use the boards for 40K games instead of Kill Teams? Is it just a preference to play on a bigger board? The board while smaller is not that much smaller I believe. Do you really play on the edges all the time that those extra 6" or so make a difference?
Do you have your objectives on the edges to need the extra range? All I see most games of 40K is just like Warmahordes. Rush to the middle to pew pew everyone. I never see the extra space/range being used EXCEPT for turn one. That is it.
So I am trying to understand why it's such a big issue for you. Again, not saying you are wrong, just trying to understand your opinion.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
Given how slapdash KillTeam feels as a final product, the 'they made a decision to make KT better' defense that keeps showing up, here, feels really weird.
They didn't sculpt any new models, if they play-tested the rules, they certainly didnt spend much time formatting the rule book, the campaign rules are a total after-thought (those injuries...what?), and I think any three of us, in a room, could have knocked out the pages and pages of 'fluff generation' in an afternoon.
Everything about this format is starting to feel like a naked cash grab, to me, I'm inclined to wonder if 2'x3', and the box to hold it, wasn't just too pricey for their desires, so they ended up with some random size that hit their desired margins.
Mmmpi wrote: The size makes sense. Outside of the gaming world, 30x30 is a common size for a table. So, a 30x22 board would fit, with a bit of room for rolls, tokens and dead models.
Honestly I bet this is it. My store for example uses a ton of food up tables that has similar dimensions. The weird size of kill teams battle mats fits them perfectly. It's possible that's why they picked the odd size, since a 24x36 would overhang a bit. That weird size let's them move into card shops and places that don't have big tables like 40k needs. I don't think the overhang would've been that big of a deal, but who knows, maybe GW thought it was.
I'd rather they have been 24x36 as well, but to be fair you'd need 4 Matt's to make an actual 6x4 table. Unless a whole group combines theirs most people arent going to have that many and if they do none of them are likely to match.
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Mmmpi wrote: The size makes sense. Outside of the gaming world, 30x30 is a common size for a table. So, a 30x22 board would fit, with a bit of room for rolls, tokens and dead models.
Honestly I bet this is it. My store for example uses a ton of food up tables that has similar dimensions. The weird size of kill teams battle mats fits them perfectly. It's possible that's why they picked the odd size, since a 24x36 would overhang a bit. That weird size let's them move into card shops and places that don't have big tables like 40k needs. I don't think the overhang would've been that big of a deal, but who knows, maybe GW thought it was.
I'd rather they have been 24x36 as well, but to be fair you'd need 4 Matt's to make an actual 6x4 table. Unless a whole group combines theirs most people arent going to have that many and if they do none of them are likely to match.
Yeah, I just measured my kitchen table, which is big enough for four if you don't have the serving dishes on it. It's 24"x36".
My furniture aside, it seems like a push for "kitchen table" gaming. Besides, they did say that you could play on a larger gaming table.
jeff white wrote: I will not be investing and if the boards could be scaled up into standard 40k then I would.
That is zero.
A zero sure but certainly Peregrone's statement is true.
Generally sure i can see some kids linin up a couple boards to play 40k as well as their allowances might allow
All the while aspiring to play on a standard table
And cursing GW for making them save up for another game board of the proper size.
Sooooo... I would count that as a less than zero in the end.
You want to have a standard 1850pt game on a 44x60inch table then roll onward but especially in this bloated alpha srike dominated edition well... Enjoy. I would count that as a less tjan zero too.
So i will go farther to say that this sort of marketing to try to spin 40k into multiple standalone systems with apparently zero crossover potential and no plans for it (this is my big disappointment with these expansion boxes) will breed confusion and ultimately resentment enough to nullify any novice killteam board usage. Sum thus zero.
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mugginns wrote: Hey guys! GW has stated the boards for this and Shadespire fit standard card tables in most gaming shops. If you go to a store and look, they're right. It is perfect! It's not a conspiracy, its not a missed opportunity. In fact, new players are going to try to play it on those tables - not try to put together a dozen of them to make the best apocalypse table in the world. Happy to help!
Yeay. A card game!!!!
Cards are low overhead high profit margin often lost or wrecked with beer spillage. Great idea. Now if we can just get rid of these pesky models and the idea that this is a scale wargame then finally we can all hold hands around a card table to play KillTeam:the gathering
I will be using these mats for 40K games, I think they are a great alternative to more expensive alternatives (and I do already own several of the more expensive alternatives).
And what idiot would set a beer or other drink on a table with paper mats? That what a TV tray or side table is for.
At this point, you are just complaining to complain because YOU don't like them and you don't want anyone else to either.
Stux wrote: It's not true. Zero use and zero sales? Absolutely false.
Bit exaggerated yes but you need 9 of those minimum for 40k game. Basically if you plan to play kill team AND 40k might just as well get proper one. This sells for kill team but for 40k bad option.
How big market kill team only players are?
Fair enough, but to be fair even if they were 24x36 you'd still need 6 sets which is quite a lot!
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jeff white wrote: I will not be investing and if the boards could be scaled up into standard 40k then I would.
That is zero.
A zero sure but certainly Peregrone's statement is true.
Generally sure i can see some kids linin up a couple boards to play 40k as well as their allowances might allow
All the while aspiring to play on a standard table
And cursing GW for making them save up for another game board of the proper size.
Sooooo... I would count that as a less than zero in the end.
You want to have a standard 1850pt game on a 44x60inch table then roll onward but especially in this bloated alpha srike dominated edition well... Enjoy. I would count that as a less tjan zero too.
So i will go farther to say that this sort of marketing to try to spin 40k into multiple standalone systems with apparently zero crossover potential and no plans for it (this is my big disappointment with these expansion boxes) will breed confusion and ultimately resentment enough to nullify any novice killteam board usage. Sum thus zero.
Your logic makes zero sense here. How can you personally as a single individual not buying these sets to use in 40k say that equates to LESS than zero sales.
And you're adament that literally zero people will buy these sets for 40k despite the fact that some people have explicitly stated that they will?
Even if the boards aren't ideal, people are buying the sets for 40k terrain. That is more than zero. Some > none.
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Stux wrote: Even if the boards aren't ideal, people are buying the sets for 40k terrain. That is more than zero. Some > none.
The terrain is a different question. The "zero sales" statement was about the board and its non-standard size being useless for 40k games.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Stux wrote: Even if the boards aren't ideal, people are buying the sets for 40k terrain. That is more than zero. Some > none.
The terrain is a different question. The "zero sales" statement was about the board and its non-standard size being useless for 40k games.
Ok, understood. I still feel it's an exaggeration and will be more than zero, but admittedly it will be a very small number. It would still be very small if it was an exact number of feet however, as your still need loads of kits to make a full size board.
I think it is rather sad that there is a space wolves expansion... and a pack of sw would be perfect as a kill team (see the Ragnar books)... but none of the SW weapons are available... so why advertise with them?
prometheus78 wrote: I think it is rather sad that there is a space wolves expansion... and a pack of sw would be perfect as a kill team (see the Ragnar books)... but none of the SW weapons are available... so why advertise with them?
I agree it is a weird choice. If you make a Kill Tema that is literally just a Reivers Combat Squad, why make them SWs rather than generic marines?
Hanksingle wrote: Given how slapdash KillTeam feels as a final product, the 'they made a decision to make KT better' defense that keeps showing up, here, feels really weird.
They didn't sculpt any new models, if they play-tested the rules, they certainly didnt spend much time formatting the rule book, the campaign rules are a total after-thought (those injuries...what?), and I think any three of us, in a room, could have knocked out the pages and pages of 'fluff generation' in an afternoon.
Everything about this format is starting to feel like a naked cash grab, to me, I'm inclined to wonder if 2'x3', and the box to hold it, wasn't just too pricey for their desires, so they ended up with some random size that hit their desired margins.
Hi, go into your local game store and put the kill team board down on a card table. Realize that it isn't random, and fits exactly
