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Assuming just the change is CP can only be used by the generating detachment, how does that work for CP regens?
If I used CP on my knight, does the Guard battery get to do a 5+?
Also If a detachment is wiped out, does that CP just die off?
And also what about generic Stratagems? Can I use a guard CP to reroll on a knight?

I think it could get a little more complicated. But if this is the way they go, I don't think that would be terrible, but I of course would prefer my opinions on what happens.

Hopefully we will see.

CP regeneration should be removed from the game completely.

Also make CP only able to be spent on the detachment that generates it

I'm ok with CP regeneration, in general, but it should be limited to a single die roll. Like with feel no pain, if you have multiple sources of CP regneration, you only get to pick one.

I was playing a guy a couple weeks ago who was BA & IG, and somehow he was rolling 3 dice to regen CP. it was dumb.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
I'm ok with CP regeneration, in general, but it should be limited to a single die roll. Like with feel no pain, if you have multiple sources of CP regneration, you only get to pick one.

I was playing a guy a couple weeks ago who was BA & IG, and somehow he was rolling 3 dice to regen CP. it was dumb.

Yeah Grand Strategists for a 5+ dice per CP and veritas for 5+ 1CP per strategum. They can actually farm 2 CP from a single CP strategum.
I agree Regen needs to be not stackable.
But also Strategist or Kurov's also need to be removed as stacked they broken

I just played a person using the "Agents of Vect" dark eldar stratagem, and had this ridiculous CP regeneration artifact or whatever. Yea that was pretty crappy since he would use Vect, then get back one or two of the CP making it so he could use that stratagem a large number of times. It was crazy, and the CP regeneration was what made it really good. If they are going to have CP regeneration, it should only be one CP back per stratagem, and no one should have two sources of that.

Dark eldar should only be getting CP back on a 6+ so really shouldn't have been getting that many CP bac, but also Agents of Vect broke a bucket load of factions, as it allows you to cancel strategums that are 1 time onky use so you never get that strategum or strategums that used to be wargear can now be stopped. Agents of Vect needs some counter play otherwise they might aswell scrap strategums for everyone else.

Vect has a few design issues all around. The biggest issue with the way it interacts with the CP regen is that it can fuel itself by stealing the CP used on the strategem being cancelled then refund its own use. That creates a lot of low risk/potential gain uses of it. Funny enough, by not actually removing the enemy CP, it creates more opportunity to steal CP to use it further, not that you'd want it any stronger than it is.

 LunarSol wrote:
Vect has a few design issues all around. The biggest issue with the way it interacts with the CP regen is that it can fuel itself by stealing the CP used on the strategem being cancelled then refund its own use. That creates a lot of low risk/potential gain uses of it. Funny enough, by not actually removing the enemy CP, it creates more opportunity to steal CP to use it further, not that you'd want it any stronger than it is.

Yeah that's another thing that bugs me about whichever fluff bunnie wrote Agents of Vect it should be played immediately up the opponent declairing the strategum and resolved before any CP traits or relics are applied, Also CP traits or relics can not be used on the CP spent on agents of vect by either player.

I think that most of the CP regeneration angst comes from the minimum-sized Astra Militarum detachment with the Company Commander as the Warlord with the trait and relic. A way to curb its use could be to add the requirement that an Army's Warlord must be a model that has the majority <keyword> of the army. So if I have 1800 points of Cusotodes and 200 points of Astra Militarum my Warlord must be taken from the Custodes.

This reigns in the "CP farm/ CP battery" without requiring in-game bookkeeping of which CPs are for which detachment.

TangoTwoBravo wrote:
I think that most of the CP regeneration angst comes from the minimum-sized Astra Militarum detachment with the Company Commander as the Warlord with the trait and relic. A way to curb its use could be to add the requirement that an Army's Warlord must be a model that has the majority <keyword> of the army. So if I have 1800 points of Cusotodes and 200 points of Astra Militarum my Warlord must be taken from the Custodes.

This reigns in the "CP farm/ CP battery" without requiring in-game bookkeeping of which CPs are for which detachment.

Most Imperium armies have the "regenerate own CP" option, so it's not a huge change. I actually think if Grand Strategist was just nerfed to be equal to them (which if I remember correctly, is actually due to an FAQ buff) then you're see a ton less of it. It's mostly auto taken because its strictly better than similar rules for no good reason.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Astartes can’t do it as well. You can regenerate 1CP *per Stratagem* on a 5+ via a Warlord Trait. Guard can do it *per CP spent* on a 5+ (roll for each CP not just once per Strat as per Astartes). They can also generate off their opponent, gain 1CP per Stratagem played by opponent on a 5+.

The magic combo is Grand Strategist WL Trait and the Kurov’s Aquila relic. Even if you spend -1CP to take Kurov’s Aquila as a second relic, it’s under 200pts to take a bare bones Battalion and start with the tricks above and an extra 4CP to start with.

Nah Ultra Marine warlord trait is per point spent to - plus Calgar gives you 2+ CP (The average return on 6 enemy stratagems) and Gman gives you 3+ CP (the average return off 9 stratagems being played). The main problem is marines suck and AM don't.


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 Weazel wrote:
"Roll a dice for every Command Point used on an Astra Militarum Stratagem. On a 5+ that Command Point is refunded."

There, I fixed Grand Strategist for you GW.

Smart man.


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 LunarSol wrote:
Vect has a few design issues all around. The biggest issue with the way it interacts with the CP regen is that it can fuel itself by stealing the CP used on the strategem being cancelled then refund its own use. That creates a lot of low risk/potential gain uses of it. Funny enough, by not actually removing the enemy CP, it creates more opportunity to steal CP to use it further, not that you'd want it any stronger than it is.

With a cp reroll it has a 1-36 chance of failure and a 1/6 chance to be free. IMO this is absurd. It should probably go off on a 4+ and have the CP refund thing removed entirely.