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Omg, are you guys trying to game the system and regenerate more than cp before the game begins?

For a tournament, would as the organisers before hand how its to be ruled.

I asked this question recently, and got the ruling that only 1 can be got pre game as its a compromise, and was added to the rule pack so all would be aware

As it stands, I do believe that it CPs are generated BEFORE the Battle Round begins, such as during deployment, than the 1 per Battle Round obviously does not apply.

This makes Knight lists with Guard battalions just a obnoxious as they were before, because Knight have ways to burn through a bunch of CPs during deployment, that Guard traits/relic can immediately roll to regain

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 Galef wrote:
As it stands, I do believe that it CPs are generated BEFORE the Battle Round begins, such as during deployment, than the 1 per Battle Round obviously does not apply.

This makes Knight lists with Guard battalions just a obnoxious as they were before, because Knight have ways to burn through a bunch of CPs during deployment, that Guard traits/relic can immediately roll to regain

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It's almost like GW don't have rules writers who know what they are doing or something.

So, to summarise:

RaW/Errata'd is that you can regenerate an unlimited amount of CP before the battle begins, because the new restriction only applies to battle rounds, which haven't happened yet.

Some people get angry at the apparent "abuse" of rules (despite asking your opponent to roll to hit is the exact same "abuse").

We shout back and forth and, as usual, it comes down to asking your opponent pre-game if they want to follow all the rules or just some of them.

Sometimes it’s hard to make out your point through the soapboxing.

Is the actual summary “nothing has changed”? If so, what’s the flap about, peeps? If you think it’s an issue email GW. If not it’s not YMDC-worthy.

Of course it doesn't apply to pre-game stratagems that are eligible to be refunded.

The good news is though that many are spent before deployment begins, meaning you can't get a refund, because your reroll bro isn't on the table yet. So Knights won't get to refund all of their nonsense making this a character, buying 3 relics, etc.

However things like Sally Forth would earn you 3 rerolls that could produce CP.

Although honestly this isn't the end of the world. Even if it was limit 1 before the first round begins, it's not like this FAQ addressed Knights + Guard even a little, they are still ridiculously broken.

Followup question: Is "when you are mustering your army" the same thing as "before the battle"? That is, pre-deployment?

Also, the CP refund relics don't require the bearer to be on the table.

Traditionally mustering your army is list building

Before the battle is anything after list building before the game starts

Most tournaments ive been to run it this way so your warlord/relic is fixed because its at mustering but your extra relic strategems may be changed each game

Okay, that's what I thought.

However, to clarify, I believe ITC rules have you pick your Warlord and unique relic during list-building, but you pick WLT and spells, as well as perform pre-deployment (non-mustering) stratagems like extra relics after the terrain is defined.