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epronovost wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
The first or second HH novel kinda touched on this. I remember a scene with Loken and a Remembrancer, were she was into his body since a marine would essentially be the .01 percent of physically fit and he completely didn't get her mood or hints. I don't think they are completely incapable,(Emperor's Children during the siege) but it just isn't an urge any more.

Well, on the subject of Loken, the sub-text of the character strongly hints that he is gay. For example, he is completely capable of assessing and appreciating the beauty of fellow Space Marines and male remembrencers, but seems incapable of doing so with women even when the text explicitely describes them as beautiful. Sexual attraction is a strong and common bias in assessing beauty especially in people who "aren't used" to assess the beauty of people.

Well it was written by Swallow.

the ancient wrote:

epronovost wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
The first or second HH novel kinda touched on this. I remember a scene with Loken and a Remembrancer, were she was into his body since a marine would essentially be the .01 percent of physically fit and he completely didn't get her mood or hints. I don't think they are completely incapable,(Emperor's Children during the siege) but it just isn't an urge any more.

Well, on the subject of Loken, the sub-text of the character strongly hints that he is gay. For example, he is completely capable of assessing and appreciating the beauty of fellow Space Marines and male remembrencers, but seems incapable of doing so with women even when the text explicitely describes them as beautiful. Sexual attraction is a strong and common bias in assessing beauty especially in people who "aren't used" to assess the beauty of people.

Well it was written by Swallow.

No, by Abnett. That little snippet was in Horus Rising but I don't exactly know what the author's name changes considering it's pretty much between Abnett, Counter, McNeil and Swallow, all long standing author for Black Library with a lot of titles under their name.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Human sexuality, across the spectrum, is a matter of degrees. Some people have extremely-high sex drives, some people have extremely-low or no sex drive. Some humans are subject to indoctrination denouncing sexuality and some of them still have a sex drive and have sex.

Why would superhuman sexuality be any different?

Because nuance does not exist in fluff, silly!

It kinda does, though. At least, in Black Library fluff it does, for all the reasons (and examples) already given.

Fluff in codex books either skirts around sexuality or treats it as an icky unpleasantness, for sure.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
It kinda does, though. At least, in Black Library fluff it does, for all the reasons (and examples) already given.

Fluff in codex books either skirts around sexuality or treats it as an icky unpleasantness, for sure.

To my knowledge, the only Black Library with a more less pertinent and developped romance sub-plot was in Path of the Eldar where there is some sort of love triangle going on, but even then, it's not a center point or an area of high drama. I think BL would gain for investing a little bit more this area instead of producing quasi exclusively Space Marine bolterporn. At that point, the popularity of Space Marines is nearly self-prophetic.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Human sexuality, across the spectrum, is a matter of degrees. Some people have extremely-high sex drives, some people have extremely-low or no sex drive. Some humans are subject to indoctrination denouncing sexuality and some of them still have a sex drive and have sex.

Why would superhuman sexuality be any different?

For some reason this post reminded me of Big Gay Al's song in South Park (I'm Super, Thanks for Asking).

Chuckling at the thought of a space marine breaking into this song when asked how he's doing.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
The first or second HH novel kinda touched on this. I remember a scene with Loken and a Remembrancer, were she was into his body since a marine would essentially be the .01 percent of physically fit and he completely didn't get her mood or hints. I don't think they are completely incapable,(Emperor's Children during the siege) but it just isn't an urge any more.

I think I remember an Abnett book noting that their chests are weirdly smooth because of their "fused" ribcages, so girl has funky tastes (not that there's anything wrong with that)

Well this escalated quickly.

epronovost wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
It kinda does, though. At least, in Black Library fluff it does, for all the reasons (and examples) already given.

Fluff in codex books either skirts around sexuality or treats it as an icky unpleasantness, for sure.

To my knowledge, the only Black Library with a more less pertinent and developped romance sub-plot was in Path of the Eldar where there is some sort of love triangle going on, but even then, it's not a center point or an area of high drama. I think BL would gain for investing a little bit more this area instead of producing quasi exclusively Space Marine bolterporn. At that point, the popularity of Space Marines is nearly self-prophetic.

I do too, but they have a demographic and the demographic is... not progressive. For clarity, my point was not that Black LIbrary are masters of the art. Black Library are not even apprentices of any art.

Just that some nuance does exist. There's even a reference to a Sister of Battle (IIRC) sneaking around for a bit of the old in and out.

pm713 wrote:

w1zard wrote:
I thought I remember reading somewhere that being a space marine doesn't necessarily atrophy your... parts... But the psycho-indoctrination kills your libido. Space Marines don't usually have sex, because most of them are so focused on killing the Emperor's enemies and being space marines to WANT to.

The Ciaphas Cain novels touch on this, when Cain muses on one of the female characters attempting to seduce a Space Marine (or so he thinks). In the Gaunt's Ghost novels, one character claims to be the son of a Space Marine... Gaunt thinks it is BS, but he nevertheless says it is certainly possible because the person in question was admitted into the Schola Progenium which is exclusively for the orphaned children of Imperial nobles/officers/heroes. This implies Space Marines are capable of having children.

They could have gotten someone pregnant before being a space marine which makes much more sense.

Gotten someone pregnant before he was 10? That's pretty disturbing.

They take them between 8 to 12 I believe. It's kinda squicky but not biologically impossible for a 10 to 12 year old to get someone pregnant.

I'm still a little fuzzy on how Orks and edlar existed for like 60 million years and don't control every habitable planet in the galaxy before mankind existed. maybe that could be explained a little better.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I'm still a little fuzzy on how Orks and edlar existed for like 60 million years and don't control every habitable planet in the galaxy before mankind existed. maybe that could be explained a little better.

Well the orks are always too busy fighting themselves, as for the Eldar they were at such a technological zenith that they had no dangers from other species. Their part of the galaxy was big enough for resources etc. why would they need to conquer, they were too busy having a good time. Mankind spread like bunnies is probably the reason they have colonised so much of the galaxy.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I'm still a little fuzzy on how Orks and edlar existed for like 60 million years and don't control every habitable planet in the galaxy before mankind existed. maybe that could be explained a little better.

It's been mentionned in the past that Eldars regularly culled the Ork population when their civilisation was at its height. They also destroyed several other xeno species like the original Mon-Keigh for example (they were kind of like wookies apparently). There might have been other species that came and went during those 60 million years. The Orks themselves changed during all that time. Modern Orks and 60 million years old Orks are hinted to be different with talks of brainboyz and snotlings being important.

epronovost wrote:

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I'm still a little fuzzy on how Orks and edlar existed for like 60 million years and don't control every habitable planet in the galaxy before mankind existed. maybe that could be explained a little better.

It's been mentionned in the past that Eldars regularly culled the Ork population when their civilisation was at its height. They also destroyed several other xeno species like the original Mon-Keigh for example (they were kind of like wookies apparently). There might have been other species that came and went during those 60 million years. The Orks themselves changed during all that time. Modern Orks and 60 million years old Orks are hinted to be different with talks of brainboyz and snotlings being important.

With the vast amount of xenos species already known, then yeah there must be tonnes of species that came and went, through the eons.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I'm still a little fuzzy on how Orks and edlar existed for like 60 million years and don't control every habitable planet in the galaxy before mankind existed. maybe that could be explained a little better.

Well the orks are always too busy fighting themselves, as for the Eldar they were at such a technological zenith that they had no dangers from other species. Their part of the galaxy was big enough for resources etc. why would they need to conquer, they were too busy having a good time. Mankind spread like bunnies is probably the reason they have colonised so much of the galaxy.

I would have to agree with this. The eldar ruled the galaxy for ~40 million years before the fall. Mankind emerging from one planet and spreading across the galaxy as fast as they did over the course of 30,000 years was EXTREMELY fast from the eldar POV. Faster even than the orks spread.

They still considered us beneath them, and not a thing to be worried about. The collapse of DAoT humanity due to our trusting natures and over-reliance on AI proved them right.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The state of Space Marine genitalia.

Not explicit, but in the Novel lukas the trickster, he makes many suggestive remarks about satisfying females, which would suggest not only functioning genetalia, but also active libidos.

That was from before he became a SM though (it's referenced in the 5th ed SW codex where he was first introduced). either he became a SM later than usual or he was a very virile 10 year old.

Or whoever wrote it forgot when Marines became marines.
Considering that he didn't give enough of a feth to think of something other than "wolf", that might be the case.

Space Wolves in general become Marines later than most.
The Wolves don’t grow up in military camps waiting for the opportunity, they grow up in the wilds/tribal communities on Fenris, they get drunk, get laid, live life and go to war before the Space Wolves even see them for the first time. Russ believed that Fenris chose the best for him and in exchange he should let them have lives so they knew what they were fighting for.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I'm still a little fuzzy on how Orks and edlar existed for like 60 million years and don't control every habitable planet in the galaxy before mankind existed. maybe that could be explained a little better.

The eldar were too busy snorting coke to practice galactic imperialism, essentially.

One thing I wonder about is primarch size. I mean if primarches we're like 7-8' tall that's one thing, but 15+ feet is another! I mean it seems odd no one on their worlds, especially primitive ones, were terrified of their size. Also it makes me wonder how sanguinius and fulgrim, to name 2, were able to live in the human sized settlements they were adopted into. Also did they have to rebuild a lot of buildings for primarchs on various worlds? How'd they fit thru most doors, into most vehicles?

 Excommunicatus wrote:

Just that some nuance does exist. There's even a reference to a Sister of Battle (IIRC) sneaking around for a bit of the old in and out.

Cain's Last Stand by Sandy Mitchell. At this point, Commissar Cain is retired and working as a teacher at a Scholasta Progenium. Said Battle Sister is another teacher at the same establishment (Cain trains commissar cadets, she trains Sororitas acolytes). Not only is the Sister a mean poker player, she's having a secret affair with the Administratum Adept in overall charge of the facility. There's also a scene with one of the acolytes flirting with one of Cain's cadets in the background.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
One thing I wonder about is primarch size. I mean if primarches we're like 7-8' tall that's one thing, but 15+ feet is another! I mean it seems odd no one on their worlds, especially primitive ones, were terrified of their size. Also it makes me wonder how sanguinius and fulgrim, to name 2, were able to live in the human sized settlements they were adopted into. Also did they have to rebuild a lot of buildings for primarchs on various worlds? How'd they fit thru most doors, into most vehicles?

Amen. I usually just disregard those descriptions while reading the books, and imagine them a head or 2 taller than the tallest SM. Or use the forge world models as a comparison.. So my konrad Curze is only a few millimetres taller than sevatar. I'm happy with that.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
One thing I wonder about is primarch size. I mean if primarches we're like 7-8' tall that's one thing, but 15+ feet is another! I mean it seems odd no one on their worlds, especially primitive ones, were terrified of their size. Also it makes me wonder how sanguinius and fulgrim, to name 2, were able to live in the human sized settlements they were adopted into. Also did they have to rebuild a lot of buildings for primarchs on various worlds? How'd they fit thru most doors, into most vehicles?

Amen. I usually just disregard those descriptions while reading the books, and imagine them a head or 2 taller than the tallest SM. Or use the forge world models as a comparison.. So my konrad Curze is only a few millimetres taller than sevatar. I'm happy with that. [/qu

You're right, it's just too bad GW decided to make him look like this now...

Spoiler:

That's no bigger, IIRC, than the Forge World one. Having him standing on a pile of tactical rubble doesn't help either.

I just think of it as character models being bigger. like the female Inquisitor from the Triumvirate box, or the special-edition Blanche Battle Sister.

Ive hated that guilliman model ever since it came out. Proportions look odd... Weird barrel chest,, tiny head, tiny chicken quads and huge shins, flame sword looks dumb.. Whole thing looks daft in my opinion. Total contrast to daemon magnus which is a fantastic model.


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Nice paint job btw

Ive hated that guilliman model ever since it came out. Proportions look odd... Weird barrel chest,, tiny head, tiny chicken quads and huge shins, flame sword looks dumb.. Whole thing looks daft in my opinion. Total contrast to daemon magnus which is a fantastic model.

Guilliman just skpped legday erm i mean legyear ehem leagdecades?

All jokes aside his upper part looks like a brickwall whilest his legs are ity bitty tiny.

BTW that is a really nice painted up one, still i can't see the apeal in the model. (the paintjob i'd like!)

If we accept typical marines as 7' tall then guilleman has to be over 11' tall at a minimum. Remember the other characters are standing on rubble too so that doesn't really help. Also count the height of the other marines from the tops of their heads not the stuff over that. RG is likely 12-14 or so feet tall. Makes me wonder how big building on macragge were ...

w1zard wrote:

pm713 wrote:

w1zard wrote:
I thought I remember reading somewhere that being a space marine doesn't necessarily atrophy your... parts... But the psycho-indoctrination kills your libido. Space Marines don't usually have sex, because most of them are so focused on killing the Emperor's enemies and being space marines to WANT to.

The Ciaphas Cain novels touch on this, when Cain muses on one of the female characters attempting to seduce a Space Marine (or so he thinks). In the Gaunt's Ghost novels, one character claims to be the son of a Space Marine... Gaunt thinks it is BS, but he nevertheless says it is certainly possible because the person in question was admitted into the Schola Progenium which is exclusively for the orphaned children of Imperial nobles/officers/heroes. This implies Space Marines are capable of having children.

They could have gotten someone pregnant before being a space marine which makes much more sense.

Gotten someone pregnant before he was 10? That's pretty disturbing.

Only if you assume 10 for some reason. It could be mid teens.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
One thing I wonder about is primarch size. I mean if primarches we're like 7-8' tall that's one thing, but 15+ feet is another! I mean it seems odd no one on their worlds, especially primitive ones, were terrified of their size. Also it makes me wonder how sanguinius and fulgrim, to name 2, were able to live in the human sized settlements they were adopted into. Also did they have to rebuild a lot of buildings for primarchs on various worlds? How'd they fit thru most doors, into most vehicles?

There is a YouTube video that does a prettty good job of using official artwork to put most of the Primarchs around nine foot tall. Kind of makes sense, the average person is 5’11, the Space Marine transformation adds on a percentage to fit in the new organs so at 20% growth the average Space Marine adds on about a foot and becomes 6’11 add on power armour and you’re looking at around seven foot and that isn’t a lanky seven foot basketball player that’s a solidly built seven foot tall figure, fairly intimidating.
Add another foot for terminator armour, at eight foot tall and three and a half foot across the shoulders most American football players in full kit would feel small standing next to such a figure, Primaris Marines are noticeably taller than that so anywhere from 8’1 to 8’5 and at nine foot a Primarch is a monster.

I feel sorry for the horse that Lionel rode around caliban on. They should just be a tall marine. Not a freakish giant.

https://hmocollectibles.clickfunnels.com/warhammer-po-launch#

I really like Gman's scale here.