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The eldar scorpion is overcosted but pretty amazing, 26 T8 wounds with an invulnerable save if it moves, hitting on 2's with 4d6 S12, -4 ap flat three damage shots, which goes up to flat six on a wound roll of six plus. Can't be locked in combat, can be deepstruck, can use lighting fast reflexes, looks fantastic too.
to me the #1 is probably the Chimera, it does what I want a light tank to do, it does what I want a medium tank to do as well come to that and it can transport troops while being low cost and not restricting my army.
#2 is the predator, with four laser cannons, as to me probably the best "tank", as in armoured vehicle designed to kill other armoured vehicles you can get fo the points.
heavy armour doesn't count for much now since if it can be seen it can be killed, and you can pretty much always be seen. even a decent invulnerable save isn't good unless its cheap as the number of shots simply swamp them.
Hence you need a chassis thats not too expensive, and ideally customisable to the role in your army, which both the Chimera and Predator can be.
Don't know about the Eldar ones as I lack that book, but from the ones I have the above two are the best for me.
the Leman Russ is not bad as an "infantry tank", lower speed mattering less in that role and with infantry support weapons but if you want something that can make the big boys think "that needs to die and die now" its a predator, for medium stuff the chimera is like stepping on ants
Delvarus Centurion wrote: Depends, output the falchion, but monies worth would be Conqueror Battle Cannon Russ, shooting two times gets your monies worth.
Cheaper Tank Commanders sort of knocked it off its top spot. +1bs and orders for only 20 points is a great deal. They are still a good Russ to fill up heavy slots, or spearhead slots, if you want more than 3 russes.
With the re-rolls you don't need a tank commander.
You only get the re-rolls within the range of the coaxial weapon though, which is a little limiting.
It's still good, but as a generalist I think the Commander with Battlecannon pips it.
Plagueburst Crawler deserves an honourable mention as being one of the best values in the game for survivability. It also has decent ability to output damage (especially over the course of a game) rather than being blown up turn 1 or 2.
Plagueburst Crawler deserves an honourable mention as being one of the best values in the game for survivability. It also has decent ability to output damage (especially over the course of a game) rather than being blown up turn 1 or 2.
Yeah the Plagueburst Crawler is a great little tank. Puts demolishers to shame.
Delvarus Centurion wrote: Depends, output the falchion, but monies worth would be Conqueror Battle Cannon Russ, shooting two times gets your monies worth.
Cheaper Tank Commanders sort of knocked it off its top spot. +1bs and orders for only 20 points is a great deal. They are still a good Russ to fill up heavy slots, or spearhead slots, if you want more than 3 russes.
With the re-rolls you don't need a tank commander.
A Cadian TC can reroll 1s, while also ordering itself to pound them to dust, making its offensive output with a battle cannon way more reliable and an order of magnitude more powerful.
Catachan tank commanders can do the same with their regimental trait and gunners kill on sight! but don't have to sit still. That said cadian tank commanders can benefit from overlapping fields of fire for an extra +1BS.
Circa-400pts and it will on average one-touch just about anything except the biggest, Invul-saviest Daemons, a 4++/3++ Knight or a Titan. It’s both extremely powerful and grossly undercosted.
The Falchion averages a single extra hit with the main gun and can have 4 more Lascannons but clocks in at a thousand(!!) points. If they ever get around to giving the Falchion the Index->Codex up-gunning treatment it could become a contender though. It literally has two of the Shadowsword’s gun, which should make it 6D3 shots and will one-touch anything but a Reaver or Warlord Titan.
Circa-400pts and it will on average one-touch just about anything except the biggest, Invul-saviest Daemons, a 4++/3++ Knight or a Titan. It’s both extremely powerful and grossly undercosted.
The Falchion averages a single extra hit with the main gun and can have 4 more Lascannons but clocks in at a thousand(!!) points. If they ever get around to giving the Falchion the Index->Codex up-gunning treatment it could become a contender though. It literally has two of the Shadowsword’s gun, which should make it 6D3 shots and will one-touch anything but a Reaver or Warlord Titan.
The Shadowsword is good.... but far from grossly undercosted. It's only T8, and doesn't have an invulnerable save. Unlike a Knight, it can't just rotate ion shields and shrug off that anti-tank fire.... lascannons and their like will tear it apart.
Circa-400pts and it will on average one-touch just about anything except the biggest, Invul-saviest Daemons, a 4++/3++ Knight or a Titan. It’s both extremely powerful and grossly undercosted.
The Falchion averages a single extra hit with the main gun and can have 4 more Lascannons but clocks in at a thousand(!!) points. If they ever get around to giving the Falchion the Index->Codex up-gunning treatment it could become a contender though. It literally has two of the Shadowsword’s gun, which should make it 6D3 shots and will one-touch anything but a Reaver or Warlord Titan.
Except a Legion Falchion wouldn't have chapter tactics, whike a shadowsword can.
It Also is never going to be as durable as just taking 2 shadowswords, because apparently BS 3+ and FW justified it being unplayable overcosted by GW
Realy for cheesiest tank of 8th edition it has to be a Leman Russ.
Because rule of 3 nah, lets take 13 of them, they can make it past 2k of Russes without breaking the rule of 3.
Circa-400pts and it will on average one-touch just about anything except the biggest, Invul-saviest Daemons, a 4++/3++ Knight or a Titan. It’s both extremely powerful and grossly undercosted.
The Falchion averages a single extra hit with the main gun and can have 4 more Lascannons but clocks in at a thousand(!!) points. If they ever get around to giving the Falchion the Index->Codex up-gunning treatment it could become a contender though. It literally has two of the Shadowsword’s gun, which should make it 6D3 shots and will one-touch anything but a Reaver or Warlord Titan.
The Shadowsword is good.... but far from grossly undercosted. It's only T8, and doesn't have an invulnerable save. Unlike a Knight, it can't just rotate ion shields and shrug off that anti-tank fire.... lascannons and their like will tear it apart.
Yeah but it can cheese out a 2+ save or a 1+ with some russes to hide behind.
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Circa-400pts and it will on average one-touch just about anything except the biggest, Invul-saviest Daemons, a 4++/3++ Knight or a Titan. It’s both extremely powerful and grossly undercosted.
The Falchion averages a single extra hit with the main gun and can have 4 more Lascannons but clocks in at a thousand(!!) points. If they ever get around to giving the Falchion the Index->Codex up-gunning treatment it could become a contender though. It literally has two of the Shadowsword’s gun, which should make it 6D3 shots and will one-touch anything but a Reaver or Warlord Titan.
Except a Legion Falchion wouldn't have chapter tactics, whike a shadowsword can.
It Also is never going to be as durable as just taking 2 shadowswords, because apparently BS 3+ and FW justified it being unplayable overcosted by GW
Realy for cheesiest tank of 8th edition it has to be a Leman Russ.
Because rule of 3 nah, lets take 13 of them, they can make it past 2k of Russes without breaking the rule of 3.
Circa-400pts and it will on average one-touch just about anything except the biggest, Invul-saviest Daemons, a 4++/3++ Knight or a Titan. It’s both extremely powerful and grossly undercosted.
The Falchion averages a single extra hit with the main gun and can have 4 more Lascannons but clocks in at a thousand(!!) points. If they ever get around to giving the Falchion the Index->Codex up-gunning treatment it could become a contender though. It literally has two of the Shadowsword’s gun, which should make it 6D3 shots and will one-touch anything but a Reaver or Warlord Titan.
The Shadowsword is good.... but far from grossly undercosted. It's only T8, and doesn't have an invulnerable save. Unlike a Knight, it can't just rotate ion shields and shrug off that anti-tank fire.... lascannons and their like will tear it apart.
Yeah but it can cheese out a 2+ save or a 1+ with some russes to hide behind.
Circa-400pts and it will on average one-touch just about anything except the biggest, Invul-saviest Daemons, a 4++/3++ Knight or a Titan. It’s both extremely powerful and grossly undercosted.
The Falchion averages a single extra hit with the main gun and can have 4 more Lascannons but clocks in at a thousand(!!) points. If they ever get around to giving the Falchion the Index->Codex up-gunning treatment it could become a contender though. It literally has two of the Shadowsword’s gun, which should make it 6D3 shots and will one-touch anything but a Reaver or Warlord Titan.
Except a Legion Falchion wouldn't have chapter tactics, whike a shadowsword can.
It Also is never going to be as durable as just taking 2 shadowswords, because apparently BS 3+ and FW justified it being unplayable overcosted by GW
Realy for cheesiest tank of 8th edition it has to be a Leman Russ.
Because rule of 3 nah, lets take 13 of them, they can make it past 2k of Russes without breaking the rule of 3.
Circa-400pts and it will on average one-touch just about anything except the biggest, Invul-saviest Daemons, a 4++/3++ Knight or a Titan. It’s both extremely powerful and grossly undercosted.
The Falchion averages a single extra hit with the main gun and can have 4 more Lascannons but clocks in at a thousand(!!) points. If they ever get around to giving the Falchion the Index->Codex up-gunning treatment it could become a contender though. It literally has two of the Shadowsword’s gun, which should make it 6D3 shots and will one-touch anything but a Reaver or Warlord Titan.
The Shadowsword is good.... but far from grossly undercosted. It's only T8, and doesn't have an invulnerable save. Unlike a Knight, it can't just rotate ion shields and shrug off that anti-tank fire.... lascannons and their like will tear it apart.
Yeah but it can cheese out a 2+ save or a 1+ with some russes to hide behind.
How the hell can a Shadowsword get a 1+ save?
Psychic barrier and cover, really easy actually if their is other tanks in the guard army.
It can also do cheesey BS like -1 to hit aswell, but atleast it can only stack -2 to hit for 1 turn.
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Horst wrote: The Shadowsword is good.... but far from grossly undercosted. It's only T8, and doesn't have an invulnerable save. Unlike a Knight, it can't just rotate ion shields and shrug off that anti-tank fire.... lascannons and their like will tear it apart.
Actually no you’re right, the Shadowsword isn’t undercosted so much as grotesquely overgunned. At D6 shots with the Volcano Cannon it was appropriately armed in the Index. A buff to 2D3 would have been really solid, maybe overtuned once you added Traits to it. Going up to 3D3 was just taking the piss. It was another sign that the Guard book was written by a Guard fan who failed to keep it in his pants.
Tauris_Blazestar wrote: The Monolith cause it kills your opponent with laughter that it's considered a tank.
I came here to praise the Monolith.
I have very fond 3rd ed memories of my proxy-lith being an indestructible block of slowly hovering doom rebuilding my Necrons and vaporizing things that came close.
Emperor's Spears 2500
Beastmen 10k
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