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torblind wrote:
So anything on what necrons are getting?

Of course not :(

But...there isn't a whole lot left for us to get. Destroyers are probably out as they are expensive, and too fast; Wraiths would be nice, but are likewise fast and expensive. Lychguards are an obvious choice, but largely because there's not much else. Praetorians are a hopeful inclusion, but problematic because of speed...

Herbington wrote:

 Stux wrote:
If Suppressors are in (is that actually confirmed?) then I call other jump troops. Assault Marines, Raptors, Swooping Hawks.

I'm not taking elites to mean 40k battlefield role in this instance of course. This is a different game, I'm open to it being a more literal English meaning of elite.

Suppressors are shown in the last photo of the reveal article!

Not sure we'll see assault marines, the SM faction will be getting pretty bloated in comparison to some others.

So? Precedent from 40k suggests that bloat in the Space Marine faction is to be expected :p

 Stux wrote:
If Suppressors are in (is that actually confirmed?) then I call other jump troops. Assault Marines, Raptors, Swooping Hawks.

I'm not taking elites to mean 40k battlefield role in this instance of course. This is a different game, I'm open to it being a more literal English meaning of elite.

Nah, they're going to be in "Kill Team Fast Attack", when it gets released.
But I get what you mean.

I do hope the other jump troops get s showing, as you saw.
Isn't there an Eldar Autarch with wings already? I may have dreamed that though.

Assume this means that GKs will get our standard troop choice... though hoping we get the actually elite paladins

One of the box sets they showed is Flash Gitz, a heavy support choice in 40k, so this release is following the generic English definition of "elite" rather than the 40k force org chart. Now, a lot of those units are already in the elite slot, so there's no doubt a ton of crossover between the two. Much like the inevitable "armored support" light vehicle expansion will include lots of heavy support choices: it's just where those models tend to live in 40k.

DarK_EtheR wrote:
Assume this means that GKs will get our standard troop choice... though hoping we get the actually elite paladins

Terminators are in, so I imagine you'll at least get those. It wouldn't be a stretch at all to see paladins (since the much beefier custodes are in), but I suppose I could see them not wanting to do two very similar units for the same army at the same time.

As a harlequin player I'm crossing fingers for the only other infantry choice, solitaire.

Kind of intrigued by what this will bring.
Could we see more creativity towards campaigns?

I would really like to see something where a DM moderates a series of KT games (Core, Commanders, Arena, and/or Elites) against a player with winner being determined by best completion time.

AdMech has those electro priest guys to get, not just Kataphrons.

I wonder if you’re only going to be able to take 1 “elite” per kill team or are you able to build a whole team of them? The TS box would make you think you could but it wouldn’t be the first time gw would pull something like that. It’s probably best to approach the release like how you should video games - no preorders and wait for actually player reviews.

I think the addition of high W/ T/Sv models will shake the meta considerably and it will make players to spam plasma/melta/whatever, as it would be the only (reliable) mean of causing damage. Especially against Custodes.

teratroopa wrote:
I wonder if you’re only going to be able to take 1 “elite” per kill team or are you able to build a whole team of them? The TS box would make you think you could but it wouldn’t be the first time gw would pull something like that. It’s probably best to approach the release like how you should video games - no preorders and wait for actually player reviews.

The fact Custodes are a team says to me there's no hard limit.

 Hawky wrote:
I think the addition of high W/ T/Sv models will shake the meta considerably and it will make players to spam plasma/melta/whatever, as it would be the only (reliable) mean of causing damage. Especially against Custodes.

With the way Kill Team's injury roll works, multidamage weapons are already king. The addition of T5/T6 units isnt going to change that.

 Hawky wrote:
I think the addition of high W/ T/Sv models will shake the meta considerably and it will make players to spam plasma/melta/whatever, as it would be the only (reliable) mean of causing damage. Especially against Custodes.

Those are already the weapons used in kill team.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Hawky wrote:
I think the addition of high W/ T/Sv models will shake the meta considerably and it will make players to spam plasma/melta/whatever, as it would be the only (reliable) mean of causing damage. Especially against Custodes.

Those are already the weapons used in kill team.

Agreed. Taking maximum high power weaponry is already basically the meta. Hordes as an alternative are generally not great, due to how morale can spiral out of control when you start losing models.

 Stux wrote:

Agreed. Taking maximum high power weaponry is already basically the meta. Hordes as an alternative are generally not great, due to how morale can spiral out of control when you start losing models.

I though it was about the same for low model count armies since you start testing at half strength.

 Desubot wrote:

I though it was about the same for low model count armies since you start testing at half strength.

Low model forces tend to have much higher leadership, and as such arent as susceptible to the cascading break-shock.

 Desubot wrote:

 Stux wrote:

Agreed. Taking maximum high power weaponry is already basically the meta. Hordes as an alternative are generally not great, due to how morale can spiral out of control when you start losing models.

I though it was about the same for low model count armies since you start testing at half strength.

I mean nerve tests as well, whenever you take a flesh wound. Because you get a +1 for every model out of action, that can get horrible fast for chaff forces.

Works alright for Tyranids though, with Synapse!

 Desubot wrote:

 Stux wrote:

Agreed. Taking maximum high power weaponry is already basically the meta. Hordes as an alternative are generally not great, due to how morale can spiral out of control when you start losing models.

I though it was about the same for low model count armies since you start testing at half strength.

You test for broken at half strength (out of action, fleshwound or shaken).

You take nerve tests for any model with a flesh wound and you have a penalty for every model out of action.

With a horde it's very easy to get enough models out of action that you're failing the vast majority of your nerve tests which then pushes you towards taking a broken team test.

On the other hand with a DW vets team, for example, you have to lose 3/5 of the team before it's even possible to fail.

Did they list what elites are coming to different factions?

 Trimarius wrote:
One of the box sets they showed is Flash Gitz, a heavy support choice in 40k, so this release is following the generic English definition of "elite" rather than the 40k force org chart. Now, a lot of those units are already in the elite slot, so there's no doubt a ton of crossover between the two. Much like the inevitable "armored support" light vehicle expansion will include lots of heavy support choices: it's just where those models tend to live in 40k.

DarK_EtheR wrote:
Assume this means that GKs will get our standard troop choice... though hoping we get the actually elite paladins

Terminators are in, so I imagine you'll at least get those. It wouldn't be a stretch at all to see paladins (since the much beefier custodes are in), but I suppose I could see them not wanting to do two very similar units for the same army at the same time.

Yeah, and the video shows a Tau Commander, not crisis suits, so Tau will get an HQ as an "elite"

Nope. Only a few examples given.

Also, nuts to just Striking Scorpions. If it doesn't include Banshees, Dragons, and Wraithguard, I'm gonna be real mad.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Also, nuts to just Striking Scorpions. If it doesn't include Banshees, Dragons, and Wraithguard, I'm gonna be real mad.

Id be pretty mad as well. i have soo many banshees sitting around :/

 Desubot wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Also, nuts to just Striking Scorpions. If it doesn't include Banshees, Dragons, and Wraithguard, I'm gonna be real mad.

Id be pretty mad as well. i have soo many banshees sitting around :/

There were some wraithblades in the intro video, so hopeful that the wraithguard get in, too. But yes - we need (many) more aspects! As many aspects as others have weapon options!

Realistically I'd expect everything but Spectres and Spears (and obviously Crimson Hunters) to have a place in a Craftworld Kill Team. It was ridiculous to see them excluded initially.

"Hey, lets put together a small close knit team of the best of the best..."

"Sure, let me go get the window washer, the hairdresser and the groundskeeper, we got this. Oh and that one guy with the fancy hat, he can come too".

Sterling191 wrote:
"Hey, lets put together a small close knit team of the best of the best..."

"Sure, let me go get the window washer, the hairdresser and the groundskeeper, we got this. Oh and that one guy with the fancy hat, he can come too".

Guardians, then?

 Skinnereal wrote:
Guardians, then?

Ayup, that's effectively what CWE Kill Teams are right now. Guardian hordes with maybe one or two Rangers and a DA Exarch leader.

Sterling191 wrote:
Realistically I'd expect everything but Spectres and Spears (and obviously Crimson Hunters) to have a place in a Craftworld Kill Team. It was ridiculous to see them excluded initially.

"Hey, lets put together a small close knit team of the best of the best..."

"Sure, let me go get the window washer, the hairdresser and the groundskeeper, we got this. Oh and that one guy with the fancy hat, he can come too".

According to Gav it only takes two battles (and being turned down by your crush) to go from being a whiny sculptor to being an exarch and a third to become a pheonix lord so guardians should all be badass.

FunJohn wrote:
Yeah, and the video shows a Tau Commander, not crisis suits, so Tau will get an HQ as an "elite"

This press release specifically says Crisis Suits.

http://www.dicetowernews.com/tag/kill-team-elites

 Stux wrote:

teratroopa wrote:
I wonder if you’re only going to be able to take 1 “elite” per kill team or are you able to build a whole team of them? The TS box would make you think you could but it wouldn’t be the first time gw would pull something like that. It’s probably best to approach the release like how you should video games - no preorders and wait for actually player reviews.

The fact Custodes are a team says to me there's no hard limit.

Yeah, I'm assuming that Elites are just expanded rosters and maybe a 200 point limit. That doesn't seem like it breaks anything and lets armies like custodes or deathwing work.

If you‘d increase the points limit to 200 pts, many teams would have to take a Elite choice to be competitive.
Because with 100 pts many fractions will already have reached their limit regarding specialisms and special/heavy weapons and „better“ models. The additional 100 points could only be spent on base troopers. Another 20 Guardsmen, yeah.