Did the Tyranids come to the galaxy to fight the Necrons?

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**Lance845**

pm713 wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Corennus wrote:
The Tyranids are being drawn to the Milky Way by the psychic beacon that is the Astronomicon.

The Pharos may have alerted them to the galaxy's existence, but the Astronomicon is what is keeping their attention on the galaxy

The astronomicon isn't powerful enough to shine across 100% of the galactic disk. It sure as hell isn't the thing thats bringing more tyranids to the galaxy. The hive mind MIGHT be interested in it when it stumbles on it. But it is not itself doing much of anything. Otherwise Terra would have already been overwhelmed by the combined endless ship of the various fleets.

That doesn't make much sense as an argument. The Hive Fleets share a single mind so as long as one Fleet can sense the Astronomicon then it can draw more, the Astronomicon has enough range to cover a galaxy so it's more a main goal than something you stumble on and Terra isn't just overwhelmed because Tyranids eat everything on the way there. They went a long time without food.

1) again, the astronomicon does NOT cover the whole galaxy. It covers a large portion of it. But there are areas that are "beyond the light of the astronomicon".

2) Yes, if any one of them senses it then they are all aware of it. And yet, they are not all making a straight shot for Terra. They might stop to eat everything along the way, but they they are not even moving in those lines to be gunning for the Astronomicon.

3) so put those bits you bought up together. They are not all heading towards terra. They are all aware of the astronomicon. = The astronomicon doesn't mean much of anything to the tyranids. It's A point of interest in a galaxy full of points of interest for them. But it is not doing anything special on it's own.

**pm713**

It has enough range to cover the galaxy but it's not in the center of the galaxy. It's over to the side so one side of the galaxy has a bit more navigable dead space and the other has a part of the galaxy without the Astronomicon.

**Frazzled**

Draco765 wrote:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Silent_King

"Szarekh then left for the intergalactic void, vowing to never return to the Milky Way...

...which lasted right up until he found out what was in the void: the Tyranids. When he encountered the vanguard of Hive Fleet Behemoth, he NOPE'd right back home, getting in touch with the remaining Praetorians to awaken every Tomb World still standing and unite against the swarm -- after all, if the Tyranids ate everything, there would be no bodies to return to, and nothing to rule over! The Silent King so disliked this possibility that he allied with the Blood Angels to fight off a Tyranid landing force, and even let them go on their way when the fighting was over."

This also helps with the issues between old-crons and new, before the Silent King returned, many of the Necron worlds woke up feral and were just reverting to their old "kill the old ones and their allies" protocols. With Szarekh's return he was able to reel in most of them, and start waking up Tomb Worlds in a more organized manner letting them wake up a little less crazy.

Are there any tombs worlds in current fluff not actively fighting the Nids, absent the ones fighting the the demons around the monolith? If not are the Necron fleets engaging the Hive fleets? How are the hive fleets surviving?

**Lance845**

pm713 wrote:
It has enough range to cover the galaxy but it's not in the center of the galaxy. It's over to the side so one side of the galaxy has a bit more navigable dead space and the other has a part of the galaxy without the Astronomicon.

Lets say thats true. Okay?

They first tyranid fleets that arrived arrived from the opposite side of the galaxy.

When Leviathan showed up it showed up from bellow the galactic disk and not attacking Terra.

Only one splinter of Leviathan has moved towards Terra (a VERY large splinter but only one splinter).

Again, what does the Astronomicon seem to mean to the Nids?

**pm713**

Lance845 wrote:
pm713 wrote:
It has enough range to cover the galaxy but it's not in the center of the galaxy. It's over to the side so one side of the galaxy has a bit more navigable dead space and the other has a part of the galaxy without the Astronomicon.

Lets say thats true. Okay?

They first tyranid fleets that arrived arrived from the opposite side of the galaxy.

When Leviathan showed up it showed up from bellow the galactic disk and not attacking Terra.

Only one splinter of Leviathan has moved towards Terra (a VERY large splinter but only one splinter).

Again, what does the Astronomicon seem to mean to the Nids?

Giant beacon of psychic power. Psychic energy = power/organic life. So they probably think it's a powerful bit of food.

**Jazzylee**

Tyranids just came here to eat, they're just a bunch of carnivores from another galaxy.

**the ancient**

The Necrons prolly not.
We know psyker activity attracts them, well now it does anyway.
Maybe it didnt way back when. Necron/ Necrontyr werent very good at that.
But, the eldar, old ones. Perhaps a response to the enslaver plague.
I dont think its their first visit to the galaxy though. Hence you get Ymgarl genestealers, possible krakenids on Fenris, and tyranids frozen under ice for millennia.
They were turned back by what ever races where around at the time that Scorched earth Segmentium Pacificus and Halo stars.

**pm713**

the ancient wrote:
The Necrons prolly not.
We know psyker activity attracts them, well now it does anyway.
Maybe it didnt way back when. Necron/ Necrontyr werent very good at that.
But, the eldar, old ones. Perhaps a response to the enslaver plague.
I dont think its their first visit to the galaxy though. Hence you get Ymgarl genestealers, possible krakenids on Fenris, and tyranids frozen under ice for millennia.
They were turned back by what ever races where around at the time that Scorched earth Segmentium Pacificus and Halo stars.

I think that they came during the Eldar Empire. They'd have the power to fight the Tyranids and the Eldar have history myths about fighting dragons which is what they refer to the Tyranids as.

**Andersp90**

Lance845 wrote:

Again, what does the Astronomicon seem to mean to the Nids?

We dont know.

But the fact that they are drawn to it we know for sure.

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**godardc**

Andersp90 wrote:
Lance845 wrote:

Again, what does the Astronomicon seem to mean to the Nids?

We dont know.

But the fact that they are drawn to it we know for sure.

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Thank you. At least, one person read the lore

**Techpriestsupport**

Isn't there some lore that says leman Russ fight and killers tyranid on fenris once, and a "kraken's egg" is in the great hall of the fang that is suspected of being of tyranid origin?

Maybe a few random spores reached our galaxy long before the later force arrived and attacked Tyran and later macragge.

Perhaps these we're just random spores, seeds on the wind. If they encountered life and survived they've set up a psychic beacon for the rest. They may have been killed too soon, but then pharos and the astronavicom attracted their attention shortly after.

**pm713**

Techpriestsupport wrote:
Isn't there some lore that says leman Russ fight and killers tyranid on fenris once, and a "kraken's egg" is in the great hall of the fang that is suspected of being of tyranid origin?

Maybe a few random spores reached our galaxy long before the later force arrived and attacked Tyran and later macragge.

Perhaps these we're just random spores, seeds on the wind. If they encountered life and survived they've set up a psychic beacon for the rest. They may have been killed too soon, but then pharos and the astronavicom attracted their attention shortly after.

He fished up a giant kraken and let it go because it was too small. The Krakens Egg was a trophy he had that hatched a bunch of Tyranids.

**Andersp90**

Techpriestsupport wrote:
Isn't there some lore that says leman Russ fight and killers tyranid on fenris once, and a "kraken's egg" is in the great hall of the fang that is suspected of being of tyranid origin?

That is the saga, yes (russ fighting a kraken). But it is unclear if its actually true - both the russ part, and the krakens being tyranids part.

It certainly didn't give birth to any nids in the story as stated by pm713.

Maybe a few random spores reached our galaxy long before the later force arrived and attacked Tyran and later macragge.

Perhaps these we're just random spores, seeds on the wind. If they encountered life and survived they've set up a psychic beacon for the rest. They may have been killed too soon, but then pharos and the astronavicom attracted their attention shortly after.

We do have some background on this:

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**pm713**

It's confirmed to be a Tyranid life form and it released a load of creatures into the Fang. So it's fair to say it hatched Tyranids.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kraken%27s_Egg

**Andersp90**

pm713 wrote:
It's confirmed to be a Tyranid life form.

I am sorry, but that simply isn't true.

The following is stated on the lexicanum page:

"Members of the Magos Biologis have examined the Egg and say it is Tyranid in origin, proving that the Hive Fleets have visited the Galaxy much earlier than the Imperium's first "official" contact with the species in M41.[2]"

The source is stated to be tyranids codex 4th edition pages 24-25.

- and I have already posted a picture from page 24 of the 4th edition tyranids codex. There is no mention of any Magos biologis examining the egg on pages 24-25. And it certainly does not confirm them being tyranids.

I will correct the lexicanum page later.