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Okay, I lied, I tried a different red on the "clothes".
Anywhere near the other red border I left some of the brown in between.



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 greatbigtree wrote:
Hi Guys, I decided to do a separate thread so as not to interrupt your work.
In a blatant act of self-promotion...
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/774151.page
If you'd like to check it out.

I am unsure if mine is any less blatant but it is a good and direct way to get things done.
I am being a bit too fussy here.
You are keeping me honest on not getting into 4 layers or more in any given spot.

Do as you do, man!

I keep it simple, because I don't have the patience for 4 or more layers.

It's different ways to do it, right? For me, it's like watching an egg hatch in reverse. Bringing the colour up instead of darkening it down.

Okay, I may regret the dust colour for the pouches and straps but I am expecting the brown wash to tone it down.
I also painted the first flesh-tone.

I have an idea of what I am doing wrong.

Regardless I have to do my basing asap and get the washes done after that. I got held up with a few things but should be done by aprox monday.

Let me know what you think it is, at least for my own knowledge.
I forgot how detailed these models are.
The imperial guard guy is utterly simplistic in comparison, good looking model all the same on that tutorial.

You could easily just do a careful block paint of one coat for each detail, give it a wash and do some edge highlights if you feel ambitious.

If you want, I can just show when I am complete either later tonight or sometime tomorrow or continue with the steps.
I never really detailed how I paint anything before.
I hope anything so-far helped.

Yeah, the closest thing I had was a Guardsman. I feel the pain on fiddly detailed models though. Currently working on an Ork Kill Team. Sooooo many little details it’s killing me. :(

Looking forwards to the results!

not a bad start. paint is tidy and doesnt look overly thick.

my advice now would be to start advancing your techniques.

1. Colour theory. look into this and think about how to apply it to your paint schemes. your last photo has some good points to talk about on this topic. you've got red clothes, and a green tinged flesh. this is a good example of complimentary colours, which are generally pleasing to the eye due to their nice contrast. on the flip side, youve got leather which is a warm brown, and red weapons, and these start to blend into the other reds at a distance. Sometimes this is unavoidable, but for weapons I'd suggest a matte black followed by a drybrush of some sort of gunmetal, which will pop more and look a little more realistic.

Highlights. Your colours are a little flat at the moment. I see you dont want to use more than four layers. not sure if this includes your wash or not, but even so you can still add some nice highlights using a couple of extra layers over your base tone, this will help your colours to pop and aid definition also. you could look into light placement but for a basic level just use a top down light source, eg, all your highlights will be on upper surfaces.

I'd recommend finding a light colour that mixes well with your base colour, and make it progressively lighter with each layer. this will help you improve brush control and working in fine areas. you may even get a little bit addicted and eventually become a 20 layer hero later down the line. :p

hope this helps a little.

Well baseing after paint when the model is already on the base is a pain in the butt. I had to get all the models off the base or risk ruining them with the paint.

Tried doing sand and chopped moss in a mix with Elmer's glue and paint. Too messy, takes too long to dry, not worth the effort for what I got out of it.

From now on I will just glue sand to the base before priming and for center pieces will do custom bases made with cast molds and green stuff.

As soon as everything is fully dry I will touch up messy spots and then it will be time for washes.

!!!!!!! Do I paint in highlights detail work and edge highlights before I do my washes or after????????? !!!!!!!!

Here are the two ways I did my base.

On the left is paint, glue, then rocks.

On the right is slurry of paint and glue and rocks and moss mixed in a cup before applying.

The right was extremely messy and a pain and took a very long time to set and to dry.

Highlights go after the wash, although you can apply washes after to tone down colours if they get too bright. It's not an exact science.

For your basing, try using fine sand, with a few rocks scattered about, rather than loads of rocks. Put the rocks on first and ensure the sand gets in and around the bottom of them. It will look much tidier. Use superglue aswell. You want a thin glue that won't gunk up your basing material.

In my case, I would highlight first, then wash.

If you aren’t careful with the highlights, you erase the shadows. Without shadows, you get colour smear.

If you do dark washes last, you’re guaranteed to have shadows separating the elements of your model.

I wouldn't advise doing it last. You will more than likely get tide marks when your wash dries. You shouldn't really be erasing shadows as your highlights shouldn't be anywhere near your shadows really.

I tend to only use washes for recess shadowing, but I usually glaze, layer or block in my shadows first, then work my base colour back up, then work that up to highlight, making corrections as I go. Final layer will always be a highlight.

From what I have seen and been told you can "shade" over an entire surface if it is small or rough.
Smooth surfaces like cloaks or jackets you need to target the recesses / folds more.

I am back and will have to get moving here, had a bunch of things to take care of with my kids, it is the weekend after all.

I will try to get my main painting done "soon" do a photo shoot, for a before and after shade and any edge highlighting.

<edit> BTW as you have noticed, if you MUST have the model attached to the base, get all that gravel and stuff done first.
I keep finding myself in a stupid hurry to field stuff so the "proper" paint the base and model separate (and arms as well) I typically do not have time for.
Prime and paint after and then do any detail stuff near the end like drybrush.
Less difficult and risky than trying to smear something on.

I hope it went well with no issues.
Try to use much smaller sand with the odd big one: the difficulty of walking on rocks the size of your fist would be... extreme.
Good to see you moving along ok, you are learning much faster than i ever did.

<edit, edit> Was looking at the arms on your new guys, the flesh is looking really good now!
Everything was kinda washed out before and now it looks more clear.

So... the technique I presented in the other thread. Washing last works for that. If you’re pursuing that technique, it would work. If you’re doing something else then don’t.

There’s no right or wrong way to paint, just what works for you. I like quick and easy. I like tabletop quality. I like painting quickly enough that my burgeoning carpal tunnel doesn’t put my hand into full-on useless.

Kept getting interrupted but this is just more detailing:
Added the metallics, another layer to the skin, edge highlighting the red.
This is it for the evening.

More or less done

I think the bases need some work

I'll put it on the back burner

For now I will bask in the ambiance of coming to completion XD

I don't paint the bases separately. I also don't apply the bigger rocks first. Personally, I like that a liberal application of a drybrush to the base also 'dusts up' or muddies the look of the minis' legs/boots/claws. I find it helps root them in the scene far more than a freshly-laundered Cultist uniform does.

Your bases would, IMO, be improved immeasurably by tidying up the outward-facing ring of the base which currently has brown spilled over it.

 Excommunicatus wrote:

Your bases would, IMO, be improved immeasurably by tidying up the outward-facing ring of the base which currently has brown spilled over it.

Literally went to Wallmart and grabbed cheap $0.50 black paint to fix the rim and browns and tans for basing so I don't waste good paint on the bases unless I'm using cast molds or something.

Going to clean the rims today and welcome any feedback or suggestions for the next steps on these "competed" chaos.

Next I have 4 more chaos marines and the Chaos Space Marine Hellbrute ready for painting. The 4 I will do all at once and the brute will be my first solo model since getting back into this. I have primed them and gave them a black wash and may start painting them tonight or tomorrow. Oh but not before doing the Basing First this time. Good thing I remembered as I was writing this.

Next - next project is going to be my Orks Kill team / reservists. I stripped down the old paint on some of these Orks and some of them are new but I think I did a really good job striping the old ones. Don't know what army colors the Orks will be. I was thinking black and white checkers with orange details. Not sure yet. Anything but yellow XD

You poor bastard. Orks are currently my least favourite infantry to paint. There are sooooo many fiddly f’n details.

I’m working on a kill Team myself. I had started a how-to for them but kind of gave up on it... maybe I’ll resurrect the project at its current state.

The rust is peeling off my brain and I am starting to remember how to do things and somehow make things better. This was the effect I was going for with my first iteration. (no idea why the pictures are upsidedown sometime. Must be my phone -_-)

When you click on the picture they are shown right-side up.
I see, so for a more glow effect you make colours brighter in the recesses (like cooling lava).
Yeah, I better finish my bit as well and not drag it out more.

Snap Kirk, that Marine is looking nice!

Very clean painting on that marine.
I think it is all coming back rather quickly.
That was a ton of painting BTW, seeing the horde lends it all some "majesty" to it.

So I am the late guy, this is putting shade on that is barely dry and will need some highlighting to get some of it back:

Well here is the culmination of what I got accomplished.
There is no wash on it yet but I am not even sure if i should use a wash and I hit my goal of things looking good @~ 1 foot.
I know I can go back and keep adding more detail and do more touch ups
I want to still get better and grow as a painter and all the support and feedback has been amazing.
Thanks Talizvar and greatbigtree so much. really inspired me to get off my butt and paint more an paint good.
Have many more miniatures left on my docket but the CSM kill team / reserves is done and I a really happy with how they came out.

I think those trims need to be dark. With them being light and the same sort of tone as the orange, it blends together, and the glow effect you have starts to look like your highlights have pooled in the recesses. I'd do the trims black, or if you're dead set on metallic, a dark bronze which you can then highlight with a lighter copper for contrast. The dark colour will accentuate your glow effect too.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I think those trims need to be dark. With them being light and the same sort of tone as the orange, it blends together, and the glow effect you have starts to look like your highlights have pooled in the recesses. I'd do the trims black, or if you're dead set on metallic, a dark bronze which you can then highlight with a lighter copper for contrast. The dark colour will accentuate your glow effect too.

Ty. I was thinking of Using vallejo game color gunmetal. i was disappointed with how it came out and how the faces on the leg and shoulder came out. I am stuck with only the paints that come in the vallejo game color 16 bottle set ATM. i am going to be adding more colors for sure a pink purple flesh tone and a super bright almost neon blue and green. For now these are all I have. I tried mixing the paints and it didn't work out for me.

Firstly I can tell you paint quality will a make a difference. The other issues I see is your not layering paint. I start with brown or black under gold, or brass before layering on multiple gold or brass colors.

There are plenty of guides for painting world eaters. YouTube is helpful. You're going to want to watch a few basics. Watering down your paint helps.

P3 is good place to start to save a buck on paint. I really enjoy citadel's newer stuff. Especially their layer paint.

I won't sugar coat this. It's bad. Do better next time. There's a number of ways to strip paint off your models easily. And if you're taking another go at the miniatures use better paint. You will be very happy with the results after you've studied basics of miniatures painting. Get used to stripping paint now and it will greatly benefit your wallet later.

You can do better. Don't give up. Learn the basics.

Some WIP stuff. Black undercoat. Just using basic techniques layering over black undercoat. With browns under the gold/brash

The Allfather wrote:


P3 is good place to start to save a buck on paint. I really enjoy citadel's newer stuff. Especially their layer paint.

Ty for the feed back and advice.

This is in regards to my Aspiring champion with the power first.

What do you think I can do to fix it up the gold?

The gold was a mix of Gold Gun Metal and Yellow. It was done in 3 layers on top of a white primer that was inked with black. I feel like I am putting too much effort in if it doesn't look right. I really want to do something to change it.

What should I get that you have used in the past that you like that isn't in a paint pot?

I do not like paint brands that come in paint pots as a personal preference for ease of use on a wet pallet. All the P3 and Citadel paints seem to be in paint pots. Also I don't want to air brush. It is too messy and I don't have a work space for that kind of stuff. I don't even like using rattle can spray paint for the primer. XD

I like the idea of going brown first under gold.

I have a IG Severina Raine and a DA SM Librarian from Dark Vengeance set. One of those will be next on my docket. I am going to try the brown under instead of the black for sure when I do my golds.


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 greatbigtree wrote:
Snap Kirk, that Marine is looking nice!

As soon as I feel finished with this Aspiring Champion I have a Librarian I am going to do with the wet on white style. I will be going for Blood Angels colors. Red, black and gold.

I am going to try the wet on white style you showed. Really excited to get started on this one.

Brown wash over the gold.

I agree the bright orange next to the gold needs a bit of transition.
To address the gold and the orange too close, apply one of the brown "shade" on the gold and let a bit wick into the corners of the raised edging.
You can then edge highlight again after it dries on the top edges with a brighter gold if you have it.

BTW the shade on the white cloth would look really nice too.