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 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I'm fairly positive that non of the heavy support options of the Custodes get Aegis of the Emperor (5++). I could be wrong.

You are correct. Only the old landraider got it, and lost it with the codex. However all the hovertanks and the orion have their own built in 5++ under a different name.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Comparable Ork transports cost 140+, have worse armor, less BS and no invulnerable saves. 200 points sounds about right.

I believe you are talking about a battlewaggon? It's double as tough as this thing.

I must have missed the part where I get free guns and 3+/4++ save on my battlewagon that somehow makes it "double as tough" as a repulsor-chasis.

If this is 120 points, battlewagons should drop to 70-80.

 Jidmah wrote:

I must have missed the part where I get free guns and 3+/4++ save on my battlewagon that somehow makes it "double as tough" as a repulsor-chasis.

If this is 120 points, battlewagons should drop to 70-80.

If you seriously think the Impulsor is coming out at a T8/16W/3+/4++ statline I dont know what to say.

What's the trade off for battle wagons?

I thought a rhino at 70 was kinda the baseline in 8th

 fraser1191 wrote:
What's the trade off for battle wagons?

I thought a rhino at 70 was kinda the baseline in 8th

Open topped, PotMS (Ork equivalent), 20 man capacity. If you dont care about the embarked shooting you can make it T8 for no additional cost (beyond giving up aforementioned Open Topped).

Sterling191 wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
What's the trade off for battle wagons?

I thought a rhino at 70 was kinda the baseline in 8th

Open topped, PotMS (Ork equivalent), 20 man capacity.

But lemme guess T6 too?

I said this before but orks need someone that loves them to actually write the rules for them

 fraser1191 wrote:

But lemme guess T6 too?

I said this before but orks need someone that loves them to actually write the rules for them

See my edit. T7/4+ base. Goes to T8 if you opt to give up open topped.

 fraser1191 wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Why does no one think this will be over 200pts?

Things I think it will have given the repulsor chasis:

Repulsor wash
Fly
14" movement

Things we have confirmed it has:

4++ or Guns or Orbital Bombardment
Troop Transport capacity matching the Repulsor
Stubbers
Assault Transport Rule


What the Rhino has:

Transport
1-2 SBs

People saying this will cost about the same as an upgunned Rhino are in for a very rude awakening.

I genuinely doubt it will have the up wash ability, it is significantly smaller than the repulsor. It most likely has fly. Giving it an invlun will most likely be the most expensive option. It can also only transport 6 models(or 3 gravis models). I for one don't think it will be over 200 because that would be killing on arrival. I figure with the invulns it has 2 storm bolters and a stubber, not real expensive weapons. I'd say it's in the ball park of 120-150. It's more or less a rhino with fly and an invuln it's not earth shattering to see it less than 200 points

The Impulsor is not smaller than a Repulsor:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/UltramarinesPreview-Aug8-Battleshot7jjce.jpg

If anything it actually looks a little bigger in that pic, but I'd wager it's actually the same size.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

I must have missed the part where I get free guns and 3+/4++ save on my battlewagon that somehow makes it "double as tough" as a repulsor-chasis.

If this is 120 points, battlewagons should drop to 70-80.

If you seriously think the Impulsor is coming out at a T8/16W/3+/4++ statline I dont know what to say.

How about "yes, that's quite possible, considering how almost all vehicles that have been ever made for marines are have similar statlines if they are based on the same chasis".

It might have wound or two less, but it's still a repulsor with less guns, fly and the ability to drop passengers after moving.

Look, this this is lierally nothing like a Rhino. So we need to prevent butthurt feelbads by tempering our expectation that it will cost the same as one. It won't. It's got an ability that no other transport has, and can, if the repulsor is anything to go by, turn 1 reach, deploy, and shoot/charge the enemy. 150pts will be base.

I think you're right it does look larger than. I initially thought. But it is a little hard to tell from the positioning of everything. The ancient looks like it's barely above the fender, then an infiltrator on the right is close in height to it. I'll see how my Primaris look next to a standard rhino when I get home

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Look, this this is lierally nothing like a Rhino. So we need to prevent butthurt feelbads by tempering our expectation that it will cost the same as one. It won't. It's got an ability that no other transport has, and can, if the repulsor is anything to go by, turn 1 reach, deploy, and shoot/charge the enemy. 150pts will be base.

Literally the only person equating it to a Rhino is you.


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 Jidmah wrote:


How about "yes, that's quite possible, considering how almost all vehicles that have been ever made for marines are have similar statlines if they are based on the same chasis".

It might have wound or two less, but it's still a repulsor with less guns, fly and the ability to drop passengers after moving.

Its abundantly clear from images this isnt on a Repulsor chassis.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Comparable Ork transports cost 140+, have worse armor, less BS and no invulnerable saves. 200 points sounds about right.

I believe you are talking about a battlewaggon? It's double as tough as this thing.

I must have missed the part where I get free guns and 3+/4++ save on my battlewagon that somehow makes it "double as tough" as a repulsor-chasis.

If this is 120 points, battlewagons should drop to 70-80.

Impulsor is a rhino. It with have 10W t7 3+...not t8 16 wounds 3+ save. It also has and invo or guns. BW can have both. Kustom force field.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Comparable Ork transports cost 140+, have worse armor, less BS and no invulnerable saves. 200 points sounds about right.

I believe you are talking about a battlewaggon? It's double as tough as this thing.

I must have missed the part where I get free guns and 3+/4++ save on my battlewagon that somehow makes it "double as tough" as a repulsor-chasis.

If this is 120 points, battlewagons should drop to 70-80.

Impulsor is a rhino. It with have 10W t7 3+...not t8 16 wounds 3+ save. It also has and invo or guns. BW can have both. Kustom force field.

index option and costs 75 points on a big mek, or 115 points on a even bigger waste a 115 point big mek in mega armor, kff is not worth it on a BW. Also it only covrs the vehicle itself so unlike previous editions where 1 kff could cover multiple wagons it is just the 1 wagon

 G00fySmiley wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Comparable Ork transports cost 140+, have worse armor, less BS and no invulnerable saves. 200 points sounds about right.

I believe you are talking about a battlewaggon? It's double as tough as this thing.

I must have missed the part where I get free guns and 3+/4++ save on my battlewagon that somehow makes it "double as tough" as a repulsor-chasis.

If this is 120 points, battlewagons should drop to 70-80.

Impulsor is a rhino. It with have 10W t7 3+...not t8 16 wounds 3+ save. It also has and invo or guns. BW can have both. Kustom force field.

index option and costs 75 points on a big mek, or 115 points on a even bigger waste a 115 point big mek in mega armor, kff is not worth it on a BW. Also it only covrs the vehicle itself so unlike previous editions where 1 kff could cover multiple wagons it is just the 1 wagon

If you think a 5++ bubble that can cover your whole army for 3 CP at an 18" radius is a waste and as a result haven't tried it - go ahead and try it. Most ork armies I play against actually take 2 of them. One on a Wazdaka jet and 1 on foot. For an army that is covered with 6+ save - it literally is a 100% durability increase or more. It also makes your vehicle a lot more survivable than marine vehicles. Thats neether here nor there but if a 4++ for a single vehicle with 2 storm bolters and s stubber is worth 30 points - what is a 5+ invo buble worth?

BW is not bad for it's cost. I'm not sure why anyone even brought it up though. This vehicle we are talking about is a rhino type.

6+ to 5++ is not doubly durable.

 Xenomancers wrote:
If you think a 5++ bubble that can cover your whole army for 3 CP at an 18" radius is a waste and as a result haven't tried it - go ahead and try it. Most ork armies I play against actually take 2 of them. One on a Wazdaka jet and 1 on foot. For an army that is covered with 6+ save - it literally is a 100% durability increase or more. It also makes your vehicle a lot more survivable than marine vehicles. Thats neether here nor there but if a 4++ for a single vehicle with 2 storm bolters and s stubber is worth 30 points - what is a 5+ invo buble worth?

Ok, you convinced me. The new transport should be 120 (bw cost) plus 40 (33% more durable because 3+ armor) plus 115 (cost of the only codex KFF that can use the stratagem) plus 58 (50% better save than KFF) plus 10 for guns.

So 342 points seems about right. Considering how awesome BW are and that marines have stuff like helblasters to put inside, that's not bad for its cost.

This vehicle we are talking about is a rhino type.

Citation needed.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Where are you getting that they get a 4++ for being near the tank. They get it for being inside IF you sacrofice a gun to get the 4++. Realistically - this is the least OP unit we have seen out of the new release with has so much actually OP stuff. The one cool thing about this tank that might lead to it's use is that it can move and then disembark units.

I'm hoping this gets applied to at least some of the rest of the transports that have had an assault ramp type of rule before - like LR raider variants.

Breton wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Where are you getting that they get a 4++ for being near the tank. They get it for being inside IF you sacrofice a gun to get the 4++. Realistically - this is the least OP unit we have seen out of the new release with has so much actually OP stuff. The one cool thing about this tank that might lead to it's use is that it can move and then disembark units.

I'm hoping this gets applied to at least some of the rest of the transports that have had an assault ramp type of rule before - like LR raider variants.

but then we'd not ahve a reason to buy the new hotness.

 Argive wrote:
It will be interesting to see how it comes out in the wash points wise.

Having a 4++ transport which can move and deploy on top of everything else seems very strong

Its going to be more interesting to see what the combos are. The obvious one is stick some shooty guys in, drive up, dump and bang. But with a 4++ you could keep the fighty guys inside for a turn, then dump and charge. They made a mistake getting rid of Embark or Disembark but not both in one turn. That was the better way of handling this. not locking units in transports for an opponent's turn. Now I'm thinking you can load up, drive, dump, and shoot all in one turn.


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BrianDavion wrote:

Breton wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Where are you getting that they get a 4++ for being near the tank. They get it for being inside IF you sacrofice a gun to get the 4++. Realistically - this is the least OP unit we have seen out of the new release with has so much actually OP stuff. The one cool thing about this tank that might lead to it's use is that it can move and then disembark units.

I'm hoping this gets applied to at least some of the rest of the transports that have had an assault ramp type of rule before - like LR raider variants.

but then we'd not ahve a reason to buy the new hotness.

Land Raiders can't carry Primaris (so far). You still have to buy the new hotness to transport your month old hotness.


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 G00fySmiley wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Comparable Ork transports cost 140+, have worse armor, less BS and no invulnerable saves. 200 points sounds about right.

don't forget the assault transport rule that used to be an ork thing... now a primaris only. move transport and still get out. Sure they cannot assault afterwards, but hellblasters popping out and firing in range or if they get a melta equivilant will be pretty powerful.

It used to be an everybody thing. Land Raiders used to have an Assault Ramp rule too I think, plus the LRC/R had frag launchers for initiative shenanigans.


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As for stats -

It does appear to be a Repulsor Chassis - And it looks like they're turning the Repulsor Chassis into the Rhino Chassis.

The Impulsor sounds like it can be the Rhino(4++), the Razorback (Double Dakka Turret), the Whirlwind(Double Missile Dakka Turret), The Hunter (Double Anti-Air Missile Turret) and a really crappy one turn only Vindicator (Orbital Bombardment turret).

This in theory makes the Repulsor.. the Land Raider Crusader?

And the Executioner the Land Raider?

I'm not sure what's supposed to be the Predator, but I imagine we'll find out when Chronus crosses the Rubicon Primaris.

I think it's more like the executioner is the vindicator(plasma)/predator annihilator(laser destroyer) and the repulsor the dakka pred.
The orbital bombard thing is taken from the rhino command tank.

 Jidmah wrote:
I think it's more like the executioner is the vindicator(plasma)/predator annihilator(laser destroyer) and the repulsor the dakka pred.
The orbital bombard thing is taken from the rhino command tank.

I know of the Rhino Primaris or whatever it is.. And that's probably more accurate, but my analogy is more commonly used.

I was looking at the transport capacity generally with 10 becoming 6 and 16 becoming 10, but everything and it's sister is a transport now. I still don't think we've seen the Predator yet. I suppose in theory the hull mounted Twin Linked XXXX is a replacement for the Sponson, but then they locked the Anhilator into Heavy Bolter Sponsons instead of being the same hull mounted Twin Heavy Bolter/AssCan on the Land Raider.

On the flip side they all do appear to be on the same chassis so they would be more accurately Predators and we haven't seen a Land Raider chassis replacement yet. Which would be nice, I'd like a Transport 16 for Aggressors.

Apparently Gravis is the new Terminator armor and doesn't get to ride the new transport. So we were both right in a way.