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If anyone has their 6th edition white scars bike army still they should be in a very good position. Biker armies got a really good boost with these rules.

New Khan seems DoA without a bike.

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Pandabeer wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
turn 3 assault would be useless.


Turn 1 advance.
Turn 2 clear.
Turn 3 drop & charge.

Bikes might not all be there, but clearing out terrain that lets you place jump packs on turn 2 for a turn 3 jump can work.



Hmm... 19 point Vanguard Vets with Chainswords, Storm Shields and jump packs with 4 AP-1 D2 attacks each


Wait, scratch that. 21 point VV with Combibolter and Storm Shield that on T2 get 40 S4 AP-1 shots and on every turn afterward get 30 S4 AP-1 D2 punches

The more I think about this the more I like it
   
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I think that people would have been freaking out on this preview if it had came out before the Ultra Preview.
   
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I agree
Also why is nobody saying anything about D4 thunder hammers?
   
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Pandabeer wrote:
Pandabeer wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
turn 3 assault would be useless.


Turn 1 advance.
Turn 2 clear.
Turn 3 drop & charge.

Bikes might not all be there, but clearing out terrain that lets you place jump packs on turn 2 for a turn 3 jump can work.



Hmm... 19 point Vanguard Vets with Chainswords, Storm Shields and jump packs with 4 AP-1 D2 attacks each


Wait, scratch that. 21 point VV with Combibolter and Storm Shield that on T2 get 40 S4 AP-1 shots and on every turn afterward get 30 S4 AP-1 D2 punches

The more I think about this the more I like it

Vanguard don't get Storm Bolters

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If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Pandabeer wrote:
Pandabeer wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
turn 3 assault would be useless.


Turn 1 advance.
Turn 2 clear.
Turn 3 drop & charge.

Bikes might not all be there, but clearing out terrain that lets you place jump packs on turn 2 for a turn 3 jump can work.



Hmm... 19 point Vanguard Vets with Chainswords, Storm Shields and jump packs with 4 AP-1 D2 attacks each


Wait, scratch that. 21 point VV with Combibolter and Storm Shield that on T2 get 40 S4 AP-1 shots and on every turn afterward get 30 S4 AP-1 D2 punches

The more I think about this the more I like it

Vanguard don't get Storm Bolters


Not? Hmm, well that sucks. I'm still used to Wolf Guard that can mix and match as they please.
   
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 fraser1191 wrote:
I agree
Also why is nobody saying anything about D4 thunder hammers?


Because they still cost a ton of points and take a lot of effort to get into melee on turn 3 only.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 fraser1191 wrote:
I agree
Also why is nobody saying anything about D4 thunder hammers?


Because they still cost a ton of points and take a lot of effort to get into melee on turn 3 only.


I feel like the doctrines having to go in order is wrong. GW said you start with the devastator doctrine but there's no way it's that rigid unless you're like UM or something

There's definitely going to be a stratagem to jump ahead or outright change to the one you want other wise chapters that have a bonus for devastator doctrine have a clear and obvious advantage


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I guess that's why iron hands and imperial fists are going to be ahead maybe?

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I do prefer WS rules. With the +1A I can see a real marines assault army, which was needed to my opinion. I prefer that to the UM gunline I have been playing for too long already. It's nice to have a shooting army capable to do assault too !

   
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That’s my understanding why IH and IF are speculated to be the best. Not that their power will be any stronger, but that you get it on turn 1 instead of 2 or 3.
   
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bort wrote:
That’s my understanding why IH and IF are speculated to be the best. Not that their power will be any stronger, but that you get it on turn 1 instead of 2 or 3.

The problem with the assualt doctrine bonuses is how much of your list will be intact to benifit from it by turn 3.
It not unusual for 8th edition to be clealry ahead as they have blow away most of their opponents army.
   
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Ice_can wrote:
bort wrote:
That’s my understanding why IH and IF are speculated to be the best. Not that their power will be any stronger, but that you get it on turn 1 instead of 2 or 3.

The problem with the assualt doctrine bonuses is how much of your list will be intact to benifit from it by turn 3.
It not unusual for 8th edition to be clealry ahead as they have blow away most of their opponents army.


That's a valid concern, around here games ending half-way through turn 2 is the norm rather than the exception.
   
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This is what white scars have needed for a while. It wasn't perfect but its a good start.

The extra attack on the charge makes up for the loss of hammer of wrath on the bikes from previous editions and makes them feel back on track.


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Since it doesn't seem to have been posted here yet:

https://youtu.be/cS5K004krwI

I'm a lot more excited about the possibilities if he's reading all that correctly.

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 Eihnlazer wrote:
This is what white scars have needed for a while. It wasn't perfect but its a good start.

The extra attack on the charge makes up for the loss of hammer of wrath on the bikes from previous editions and makes them feel back on track.



Bikes can CP to jink for a 3++ if they advanced. That's a big win for keeping bikes around.

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 G00fySmiley wrote:
I will be sad if we do not get primaris bikes with the whit scars, I was convinced that was the codex that would introduce them.


I would have been surprised. We may get Jetbikes, probably they'll be called hoverbikes and share an aesthetic with the Re/Im-Pulsor. But they're a ways away. There were zero leaks for it, and Kor'sarro isn't optioned onto one, and he would have been. I think you're looking at 9th at the earliest. Closer to 9.5 or 10th. There aren't any High Mobility High Assault Primaris Units they will probably come out all at once, with a Kor'sarro on hoverbike, and a Jumpy Primaris Shrike.

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expecting bikes with the WS supplement was silly. bikes ius something that would be in the core codex.

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Just thought of something nice: Take a TH/SS smash captain and give him the Imperium's Sword warlord trait, the Hungry for Battle successor chapter tactic and the Plume of the Plainsrunner relic (with the stratagem). 6A with Thunder Hammer on the charge and a rerollable 7" charge from deepstrike
   
 
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