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Another simple rules idea. Run it as an armiger but house rule the keywords. Give it adeptus astartes and <chapter> and any other you need.

 Galef wrote:
Thanx for the size comparison. Mass-wise they look pretty similar even if their silhouettes differ. And that's what's important to us. Both are T7 with 12W, are faster than regular Dreads, and can take 2 Autocannons type weapons.

Why not use it as a codex Contemptor? Unlike FW junk it's pretty balanced, has all the new rules, and they actually have the same loadout as one of the Armigers (heavy melta and CC weapon). That would be IMO much better solution than trying to jury-rig in unrelated Index book...

 Irbis wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Thanx for the size comparison. Mass-wise they look pretty similar even if their silhouettes differ. And that's what's important to us. Both are T7 with 12W, are faster than regular Dreads, and can take 2 Autocannons type weapons.

Why not use it as a codex Contemptor? Unlike FW junk it's pretty balanced, has all the new rules, and they actually have the same loadout as one of the Armigers (heavy melta and CC weapon). That would be IMO much better solution than trying to jury-rig in unrelated Index book...

He has a helverin which does have double autocannons.
Your talking about a warglaive same chassis different weapons.
I think a relic contemptor or a contemptor mortis if he's having difficulty meeting the relic rules (you need a non relic unit for each relic unit).

Ice_can wrote:
He has a helverin which does have double autocannons.

Eh, even in this case I'd use it as codex one. Simply count both autocannons as kheres autocannon + storm bolter (similar strength and number of shots), count kicks as dreadnought melee weapon, done. Less hassle and you can get away with using only one book, which is much more elegant solution.

I did not know that Relic Dreads need non-relic versions to be fielded. That sucks. He has a Venerable Dread, but that's it.
Contemptor Mortis with 2 Twin Lascannons and Cyclone ML is an ok option, but it's too bad that it only has 10W and a 3+. While it has the firepower of 2 Dreads with Twin Las/ML, it's basically as easy to kill as 1

I just added some Salamander details to his model. Lizardmen glyphs to be painted black & white (like the Sallie icon) and added Chaos gargoyle barrels (the ones that look A LOT like the Salamander drake icon) to his weapons so they can each look like specially made Heavy 2 Lascannons.
I've also added armour plates to several places to make it look less "weedy"

Overall it's looking more Astartes, but maybe specially designed for the unique conditions on Nocturne (hence the "relic".

I think we'll move forward using it as a Relic Contemptor for now. We are already having to "break" the rules to keep his Combat Doctrines until the FW units get that rule (if they do at all), so what is one more house rule?
If they start playing other people at our LGS, we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

Thanx for all the feedback everyone!

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 Galef wrote:
I did not know that Relic Dreads need non-relic versions to be fielded. That sucks. He has a Venerable Dread, but that's it.
Contemptor Mortis with 2 Twin Lascannons and Cyclone ML is an ok option, but it's too bad that it only has 10W and a 3+. While it has the firepower of 2 Dreads with Twin Las/ML, it's basically as easy to kill as 1

I just added some Salamander details to his model. Lizardmen glyphs to be painted black & white (like the Sallie icon) and added Chaos gargoyle barrels (the ones that look A LOT like the Salamander drake icon) to his weapons so they can each look like specially made Heavy 2 Lascannons.
I've also added armour plates to several places to make it look less "weedy"

Overall it's looking more Astartes, but maybe specially designed for the unique conditions on Nocturne (hence the "relic".

I think we'll move forward using it as a Relic Contemptor for now. We are already having to "break" the rules to keep his Combat Doctrines until the FW units get that rule (if they do at all), so what is one more house rule?
If they start playing other people at our LGS, we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

Thanx for all the feedback everyone!

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The venerable dread counts as the tax unit against the relic rule, it's basically you need a codex elite unit for each relic elite unit ir codex heavy for each relic heavy.

Ice_can wrote:
The venerable dread counts as the tax unit against the relic rule, it's basically you need a codex elite unit for each relic elite unit ir codex heavy for each relic heavy.

Oh, sweet! I thought it was "need Comtemptor Dread to field a Relic Comtemptor" If all he needs is an Elite, his VenDread is in every game he plays, so requirement met. Relic Comtemptor Dread it is!

Thanx

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So we made some upgrades, i.e added extra armour, Cyclone missile launcher, Lizardmen glyphs and dragon gargoyles to the gun barrels.



We decided to still say it's still an Armiger in his army's fluff, but a special variant that hails from a Knight household on Noctune (or one of the moons/planets in the same system at least). As Salamanders are one of the few Chapters that allow their Marines to continue holding ties to their families, this Knight Household has many members with familial ties to the Salamanders.
The Armiger Draconus is a special variant armed with 2 Dragonfire Lascannons (counts as Twin Lascannons) and can also be armed with a Cyclone ML. The Draconus is also outfitted with extra armour plates as it often has to defend settlements from the large reptilian beasts the live on Nocturne.

So that's the fluff, and in-game it will be a Relic Comtemptor with 2 twin-Las and sometimes CML (magnetized)

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