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Hemlocks are the listed wraithfighters.

Morkphoiz wrote:
I'll Tell you after I try this derpy list next Weekend:



++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [85 PL, 1,634pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: Iyanden: Stoic Endurance

+ HQ +

Spiritseer [3 PL, 65pts]: 1. Conceal/Reveal, Shuriken Pistol
. Psytronome of Iyanden

+ Elites +

Wraithblades [20 PL, 405pts]: Ghostaxe and Forceshield, 9x Wraithblade

Wraithblades [20 PL, 450pts]: Ghostaxe and Forceshield, 10x Wraithblade

+ Heavy Support +

Wraithlord [8 PL, 125pts]: 2x Bright Lance, Shuriken Catapult, Shuriken Catapult

Wraithlord [8 PL, 125pts]: 2x Bright Lance, Shuriken Catapult, Shuriken Catapult

Wraithlord [8 PL, 127pts]: Flamer, Flamer, Ghostglaive, 2x Shuriken Cannon

Wraithlord [8 PL, 127pts]: Flamer, Flamer, Ghostglaive, 2x Shuriken Cannon

+ Flyer +

Hemlock Wraithfighter [10 PL, 210pts]: 5. Quicken/Restrain, Spirit Stones

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [23 PL, 355pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: Iyanden: Stoic Endurance

+ HQ +

Spiritseer [3 PL, 65pts]: 4. Protect/Jinx, Shuriken Pistol

Wraithseer [10 PL, 145pts]: 4: Fate's Messenger, Craftworlds Warlord, D-cannon

Wraithseer [10 PL, 145pts]: D-cannon

++ Total: [108 PL, 1,989pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)

You have 4 Wraithlords which breaks the rule of three in Matched Play, which is important to take note of.

I had to shift my army design to a more varied unit approach as Wraithguard based armies are exceptionally challenged by large model count armies. There are so many options that improve cheap models that their weight of fire becomes even more effective and it is hard to sustain losses in a Wraithguard based army.

I do like running a couple Wraithlords with dual MAL. With an Autarch nearby they perform as a reasonable multi purpose firebase against large model count units or anti armor. Plus, the AML has fantastic range. 250 points for the pair is reasonable, assuming you already run an Autarch.

Best of luck discovering what works and does not work in your local area. I had a lot of fun evolving my list over time.

 Skinnereal wrote:

Bitharne wrote:
Not sure what people are on about...but wraith lords are amazing. 95 points for 8 attacks that melt most things. Draws fire and is fast. Wraithblades/guards are a bit of a harder sell to be honest.

I get my WLs killed due to the lack of an inulverable save. Every AP -2 and up gets pointed at it, and those wounds just drift away.

So? The only question, here, is what are they NOT shooting at instead?

I'm not saying a Wraith army is good...I, soon to be infamous for claiming nonsense armies are the best ones (brigade deffskullz, tripp battalion mureens, brigade death guard), can't find a way to reconcile the little dudes; however, I'm curious what else would be fielding that you don't want the Lords? The goal, in my opinion, is to take stuff that screws your opponent if they ignore it OR if they don't. Also, how much firepower do they devote to downing the beasties? 95 points worth? Less? More? What if you have 3?

Remember the adage: 1 is none, 2 is 1 /shrug

I'm genuinely curious as my buddy is planning on trying some Wraith stuff and I'm only interested in Eldar if I use the Wraith-line.


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Morkphoiz wrote:
I'll Tell you after I try this derpy list next Weekend:



++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [85 PL, 1,634pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: Iyanden: Stoic Endurance

+ HQ +

Spiritseer [3 PL, 65pts]: 1. Conceal/Reveal, Shuriken Pistol
. Psytronome of Iyanden

+ Elites +

Wraithblades [20 PL, 405pts]: Ghostaxe and Forceshield, 9x Wraithblade

Wraithblades [20 PL, 450pts]: Ghostaxe and Forceshield, 10x Wraithblade

+ Heavy Support +

Wraithlord [8 PL, 125pts]: 2x Bright Lance, Shuriken Catapult, Shuriken Catapult

Wraithlord [8 PL, 125pts]: 2x Bright Lance, Shuriken Catapult, Shuriken Catapult

Wraithlord [8 PL, 127pts]: Flamer, Flamer, Ghostglaive, 2x Shuriken Cannon

Wraithlord [8 PL, 127pts]: Flamer, Flamer, Ghostglaive, 2x Shuriken Cannon

+ Flyer +

Hemlock Wraithfighter [10 PL, 210pts]: 5. Quicken/Restrain, Spirit Stones

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [23 PL, 355pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: Iyanden: Stoic Endurance

+ HQ +

Spiritseer [3 PL, 65pts]: 4. Protect/Jinx, Shuriken Pistol

Wraithseer [10 PL, 145pts]: 4: Fate's Messenger, Craftworlds Warlord, D-cannon

Wraithseer [10 PL, 145pts]: D-cannon

++ Total: [108 PL, 1,989pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)

As said, only take 3 Lords.

Second: take them naked at 95 with a glaive. They cost too much otherwise.

Third: you don't have a battalion...though I don't know that any wraith units are troop at all so /shrug

Third, part two: Use your newfound points to fill in an elite detachment. Taking 2/3 Elites kills my soul. CP are life (hence battalion as standard)

Fourth: MAYBE ignore all of 3 and take another Hemlock? You still can't win any objective games but could be fun /shrug

Well, the list is too elite.
I'd take a battalion with 3x5 Rangers. This will allow you to benefit from the increased CPs. Rerolls are always useful.
The rule of 3 doesn't allow Wraithlords. These guys are absolutely meh, too slow and too less damage output.
Your list could eventually be improved by taking a Wraithknight instead of the Supreme detachment.

The "rule" of 3 is only definitely an issue in tournament play - we don't know how the user's local group or store plays.

Bitharne wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:

Bitharne wrote:
Not sure what people are on about...but wraith lords are amazing. 95 points for 8 attacks that melt most things. Draws fire and is fast. Wraithblades/guards are a bit of a harder sell to be honest.

I get my WLs killed due to the lack of an inulverable save. Every AP -2 and up gets pointed at it, and those wounds just drift away.

So? The only question, here, is what are they NOT shooting at instead?

Very little.
Two or three shots with a Lascannon can kill one. That could be just one volley from an IG HWS, an SM Predator, etc. Mine mostly die from Lascannon shots, with a wound on a 3+, and a save on a 6 (I think).
True, it might draw fire away from a Wraithguard's Wave Serpent, but that can take more shots than a WL will die from.