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Martel732 wrote:
There's always no cover save dissy cannons, but then you put them out of LoS.

Yeah true - those are gonna hurt. With reroll all hits now and not failed hits though. I honestly think I just going to walk over DE at this point.

I ran some stuff in MATLAB. I don't really have conclusions to draw from it.



Lascannon Devastators seem to achieve more in general, but they also cost a lot more.

I wouldn't say I'm too impressed with the Lasfusils; I'd probably stick with the bolt sniper rifles for the Eliminators and leave the tank hunting to other units, mostly because I am impressed with the bolt snipers.

The Newman wrote:
If we're just playing the MathHammer game, MH says not to take Lasfusile Eliminators or Devastators when a Vindicator is cheaper than either of them and throws 3.5 S10 Ap3 Dd6 shots on average. Heck, on a T7 double-shot on a Whirlwind at Ap 2 probably beats out all three of them.

One big problem with that is it's D6 shots, which means you might beat out 6 las fusils or you might do less damage then a bolter.

Sure, over 200 games it'll average out to be good, but that's not gonna help you when you lose games two and four in a tournament because your big anti-tank gun rolled a grand toral of 7 shots over 5 turns.

ERJAK wrote:

The Newman wrote:
If we're just playing the MathHammer game, MH says not to take Lasfusile Eliminators or Devastators when a Vindicator is cheaper than either of them and throws 3.5 S10 Ap3 Dd6 shots on average. Heck, on a T7 double-shot on a Whirlwind at Ap 2 probably beats out all three of them.

One big problem with that is it's D6 shots, which means you might beat out 6 las fusils or you might do less damage then a bolter.

Sure, over 200 games it'll average out to be good, but that's not gonna help you when you lose games two and four in a tournament because your big anti-tank gun rolled a grand toral of 7 shots over 5 turns.

Bring 3. Tends to solve the problem with Exorcists.

Vindicators are cheap enough to bring 3 and be happy with an excellent antitank unit for a price that's a steal; and 3 will average out to adequate.

^ Pretty much that. My local group plays at 1000 a lot and two of them is a oretty good value at that point level.

The Newman wrote:
^ Pretty much that. My local group plays at 1000 a lot and two of them is a oretty good value at that point level.

I run triple Exorcists as Sisters, and Exorcists are now essentially a sidegrade Vindicator, I can totally see running triple Vindicator as my Space Wolves, if I had the Vindicators to do so.

Really considering 2 Snipers, Sarge with las Fusil, and used Honored Sarge to make it Master Crafted. 4 Damage on it would make it pretty hot.

Glad others are also doing the math. I was surprised to see that your almost always better with the sarg giving up his shot.

I would love to see some of these numbers normalized for squad cost. It's not fair comparing a 97 pt unit to a 165 point unit without normalizing the unit cost.

I think I will be adding 2 squads of las fusil eliminators to my UM primaris army