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And if they could iqwould assume it would be expensive and pretty much the same as buying current commissioned models. Or like buying any already painted high quality model ( Boxed etc ).

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We're not going to know specific details for a long time. The tech isn't there.

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It also depends what you mean by "paint". We're seeing multi-colour 3D printers, etc., but there are so many considerations for painting - are you talking about base colours, edge highlights, and painting nicely between the lines? Perhaps. But if you like a crazier, more Blanche-esque paintjob with a bit more "artistic" flair, I doubt it.(short of having the ability to scan a painted item and then simply replicate it which seems feasible - eventually).

A good example would be my favourite commission painter, ThirdEyeNuke. He has a very splattery, love-it-or-hate-it style of painting. More on the artsy side vs. a super clean and crisp paint-by-numbers style commission service.

Very big use of contrasting colours, and a "haphazard" approach that I doubt could be replicated or created by a machine. I think a machine could be taught to produce a "box cover" style clean and delineated paintjob though.

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 Elbows wrote:
It also depends what you mean by "paint". We're seeing multi-colour 3D printers, etc., but there are so many considerations for painting - are you talking about base colours, edge highlights, and painting nicely between the lines? Perhaps. But if you like a crazier, more Blanche-esque paintjob with a bit more "artistic" flair, I doubt it.(short of having the ability to scan a painted item and then simply replicate it which seems feasible - eventually).

A good example would be my favourite commission painter, ThirdEyeNuke. He has a very splattery, love-it-or-hate-it style of painting. More on the artsy side vs. a super clean and crisp paint-by-numbers style commission service.

Very big use of contrasting colours, and a "haphazard" approach that I doubt could be replicated or created by a machine. I think a machine could be taught to produce a "box cover" style clean and delineated paintjob though.


You're forgetting that once you're starting with a textured 3D model, all those painterly processes can still transfer into a digital medium. In many ways it's easier, since you no longer have to master the mechanical processes involved in achieving things like gradients, OSL, and reflections. When the texture is done and baked into the model, then it can be printed.

Plenty of high-quality art is produced digitally nowadays. There's no reason a Blanche-esque piece of art has to be constrained to a physical medium.

   
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You could also 3d scan a physical paint job by a commission painter and release that online as a texture pack for people to color print.

Essentially we'll get to the point where we can clone arbitrary 3d objects at will, with color and detail and everything. If you can photograph someone's paint job, then you can print it.

We already have the ability to do it, it's just really rough right now. And no color yet.

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Near Jupiter.

Well thanks for helping me understand this question everyone, appreciate it.

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Crispy78 wrote:

Put it like this... In my first job (nearly 20 years ago now) I had a little low-level side project to work on involving image processing. In a nutshell, the brief I had was to write some code that would scan a grey-scale image and verify whether there was a circle in an expected location. It was bloody hard, and I never actually managed it before I was made redundant. Image recognition is *hard*.



Image Recognition WAS hard. You only need to scan most of the models once. You may have 6 different models with 10 different minor variations in your 10 model X Army Y box squad, but most of the model will have fixed points modern facial recognition can be used to identify.

If we call what he's suggesting 3D Painting vs Printing - Most of what you need is already off the shelf or requires very little adjustment. Facial Recognition can be used to identify the models and the parts - i.e. there's only 6 or so Infiltrator bodies. There's only a few shoulderpads, about 10? different bolter-whatevers. 3 or 4 heads. And that's assuming you'd automate the whole thing- the real obstacle to being able to shove a model in a paint box and have the system automate the whole deal would be consumable supplies. Being able to fill the machine with enough paint pots in enough colors, and not have the paint itself degrade and clog up the machine between models/sessions.

An electronic painting machine is more likely to be targeted, and manually "controlled". You use the USB, Network, or Bluetooth connected computer's screen to pick the preloaded model, you have to aim the camera at a location - say the helmet attached to the Sgt's belt, and when the expected and the image match it turns green and you can click start. One of the first things this sort of machine would be the end of is waterslide transfers. If you can isolate the shoulderpad, and tell it to print a pre-selected icon - especially in alternate colors and potentially rotated for DIY chapters - waterslide transfers are a thing of the past.

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It is not a question of if, but when.
A new technology shows a new way to do something and threatening the status of experts. The new technology will get rid of old experts and need new experts with a different skill set.
The resident experts fight with claws and teeth to keep their status and deny that the new process/device will ever get the same results as their methods.
History shows that new technology most often prevails and once matured replaces the old technology.
Steam replacing sail or automobiles replacing the horse drawn carriage, were according to experts never to happen.
Closer to home, digital typesetting, laser printing, digital photography, digital publishing all had at some point in time no future according to some experts, for quality reasons. Usually those experts are just defending their sinecure and they get even more ferocious when the technology threatens to narrow the gap between dilettantes and experts.
I expect we will see good quality colour 3D printing way before we see any device painting a miniature. When I do not know. But surely you will see good enough results faster than perfect results and if you are willing to spend 20000€ you will be there before anybody willing to pay 299€.
Looking forward to the future of 3D printing and colour 3D printing.
   
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Near Jupiter.

Hmm interesting points. Do you know what, who cares, i dont care any more. Because the whole point of this hobby is to bring the models to life your self any way with paint, not a computer, and its not like GW will start selling 3d printed color models and in the process wiping away one of the core factors in this war gaming / miniature model world.


I was actualy thinking about this when i first started this hobby over a year ago now, i was wondering how long this sort of hobby has been around for, and when i think of it, its probably been around for 1000's of years, people using models to simulate large wars or small battles real or not real, and i imagine painting them was also at some point way back in history was also a big part of it. So my point is that is it a core factor in what makes what we do so great.

Thank you all for being so kind and explaining your selves so well.

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 Stormatious wrote:
How long would it take untill this can happen do you think?, and are you worried about this, especially if they are able to do it in expensively.


I don't know, but machines can already paint a great many things that are not miniatures very well, so presumably it's a matter of will not way.

As for worried, no. Painting is my hobby, I do it because I enjoy doing it, so I neither need a machine to do it or would be worried about a machine taking my source of income away. In other words, among the products and services I paid for when I bought a box of minis is painting them myself, so buying a machine or paying someone with a machine would be paying extra to not recieve part of the product I bought.

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So, back in 2015 we had a bunch of models made for a video game promotion.
Some guys a me in with a magic wand and 360 scanned a bunch of guys then 3d printed them.
The whole process of scanning took a few hours and we recieved the 6" models a week later.
Pretty sure the tech has got better since then and the results were way better than many could paint.
Just watch the 1st minute or two.
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