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Kharn_The_Betrayer_87 wrote:
They’d be crazy to remove or downplay the Inquisition when they have an Eisenhorn series coming out to boost model and book sales.

This a thousand times. Would be insane to miss out on that.
   
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Karol wrote:
I don't see why they wouldn't do that. Look at vigilus for example, a whole demonic forge poped up on it. You would think that a planent being over run with demons and demonic engines would warrent action from Grey Knights, and they weren't even there.

Grey knights deal with daemons. Not with daemon engines. If anything, that's more of AdMech thing. And in any case, I have no idea what you expected seeing Vigilus focused mostly on SM (with IG 'also starring' bit) and vast majority of Imperial armies, some that would make far more sense than GK there, got nothing. You might as well complain White Scars supplement has no GK rules.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
In short, yes.

Nonsense. They got more named characters in past 2 years than most 40K armies, multiple AAA games, and incoming TV series

I see FUD is scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for new conspiracy theories now that oldmarines got massive buffs in the Codex, eh?
   
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It confuses me to no end they haven't done much with inquisition yet. It's only the over arching faction to kind of link them all in the fluff. They do an amazing multi use plastic kit and maybe an HQ or two or have options in the plastic kit, people would gobble them up.

Give them a rule they don't mess with armies battle tactics so they end up like a perpetual alliance faction as they should be and poof, profit and I doubt most imperial players wouldn't run them.I in fact know a great many who have been waiting for this for a long time.
   
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 bullyboy wrote:
Kharn_The_Betrayer_87 wrote:
They’d be crazy to remove or downplay the Inquisition when they have an Eisenhorn series coming out to boost model and book sales.

This a thousand times. Would be insane to miss out on that.


Tell that to total war: warhammer, a video game set in a now dead setting.
   
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keep in mind the eisenhorn series isn't due out for a few years. if I was GW I'd be planning to release a Inqusitor game around that time (perhaps "Kill Team Inqusitor")

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 alextroy wrote:
I would be completely unsurprised if the Inquisition was done with a White Dwarf Index. The current range of models is very small:
  • Eisenhorn
  • Inquistor Coteaz
  • Inquistor Greyfax
  • Inquistor Karamazov
  • Inqusitor: Three models, all with Power Sword and ranged weapon
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  • The range gets bigger when you add the other stuff that's Imperium but not Guard, or Marines, etc. like assassins. And I think they're inclined to repeat history with an Imperial Agents supplement. I think we can expect to see that, and I think we can expect to see a way to add them to army lists without messing with faction benefits. I'm curious if we'll see Adeptus Arbites in it again.

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    I suspect they won't be discontinued, but likewise won't be supported with new rules or releases - as a faction.

    I could see them doing an option where you can include an Inquistioner (and entourage) in a fashion similar to adding assassins.

    I have no idea, however, what they will do with Sisters of Silence - maybe roll them into Sisters of Battle?

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     bullyboy wrote:
    Kharn_The_Betrayer_87 wrote:
    They’d be crazy to remove or downplay the Inquisition when they have an Eisenhorn series coming out to boost model and book sales.

    This a thousand times. Would be insane to miss out on that.


    you mean like with warhammer total war. GW i am convinced not very forward thinking
       
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     Stormonu wrote:
    I suspect they won't be discontinued, but likewise won't be supported with new rules or releases - as a faction.

    I could see them doing an option where you can include an Inquistioner (and entourage) in a fashion similar to adding assassins.

    I have no idea, however, what they will do with Sisters of Silence - maybe roll them into Sisters of Battle?

    Lorewise it'd make more sense to roll them with Custodes and reform the Talons of the Emperor.
       
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    Apple fox wrote:
     bullyboy wrote:
    Kharn_The_Betrayer_87 wrote:
    They’d be crazy to remove or downplay the Inquisition when they have an Eisenhorn series coming out to boost model and book sales.

    This a thousand times. Would be insane to miss out on that.


    you mean like with warhammer total war. GW i am convinced not very forward thinking


    They killed Warhammer to make way for AOS which re-invigorated sales to no end. What would squashing Inquisition achieve? If they got a complete re-vamp along with the recent SM codex re-launch and Sisters release which attached Sisters, DW and GK to them as Chamber Militant like back in the day then ok but otherwise no point.
       
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    keep in mind nothings stopping GW from sliding something into Legends and then bringing it back into a codex at a later date

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    Kharn_The_Betrayer_87 wrote:
    Apple fox wrote:
     bullyboy wrote:
    Kharn_The_Betrayer_87 wrote:
    They’d be crazy to remove or downplay the Inquisition when they have an Eisenhorn series coming out to boost model and book sales.

    This a thousand times. Would be insane to miss out on that.


    you mean like with warhammer total war. GW i am convinced not very forward thinking


    They killed Warhammer to make way for AOS which re-invigorated sales to no end. What would squashing Inquisition achieve? If they got a complete re-vamp along with the recent SM codex re-launch and Sisters release which attached Sisters, DW and GK to them as Chamber Militant like back in the day then ok but otherwise no point.


    That happens when you tell everyone they have to start over. The ones who want to keep playing buy like mad. The ones who stare at thousands of points of models that they don't even get to play short term switch games. I still haven't played a game of AOS


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    BrianDavion wrote:
    keep in mind nothings stopping GW from sliding something into Legends and then bringing it back into a codex at a later date


    Oh they absolutely will, but it's going to be rare, and they're going to regret it, making it even more rare. The first time they bring the Legacy Land Raider Terminus Ultra back for a lark - and because it's just a Land Raider with a Predator Sponson sprue, people are going to have a field day in the GW email department.

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    I'll imagine that we might get a occasional release of a claim pack character or a stock set like we've seen with the rogue trader releases, post chapter house kills what the inquisition should be as a faction. GW doesn't want to give rules to anything it doesn't sell but giving a full range of kits to such a rather small faction isn't something they are going to be interested in.
       
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    I hope they don't go away. They're fun and fluffy. Maybe they could be rolled into codices for
    Sisters, deathwatch, and gray knights. That's how they used to be, except for deathwatch. I also like the idea of an agents supplement.

    With eisenhorn being made into a series, you'd think they'd want to keep Inquisition playable for sales.

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    It's so disappointing because it would take trivial effort to properly integrate sisters of silence and Inquisition. It's really surprising they haven't done it yet.

    I still think they'll do something, since we saw an Inquisitor retinue in apocalypse. The only problem is I think it will be deep into 2020, which is an insane amount of time for the models to remain index (or legends) options. Feels really bad :(
       
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    People are confusing 'Index' and 'Legends'.

    Legends = "what’s happening to some of the treasured older models that previously had rules in our Index books"
    Index = anything else that isn't full codex


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     Daedalus81 wrote:
    People are confusing 'Index' and 'Legends'.

    Legends = "what’s happening to some of the treasured older models that previously had rules in our Index books"
    Index = anything else that isn't full codex


    It is not confusion, but a reasonable exception that the indices are going away, or in fact already mostly have. Only Index Imperium 2 is sold anymore, all other have been out of print for a while. So the indices are dead, and the stuff from them that is not in the codices will end up in the Legends.

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    Quasistellar wrote:
    The only problem is I think it will be deep into 2020, which is an insane amount of time for the models to remain index (or legends) options. Feels really bad :(


    Ha! It used to be years and years between factions even being mentioned, never mind being updated or added to.

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    The Ordo Hereticus will be necessary to deal with Psychic awakening, and SoS get a piece of that too.

    I had hoped the Kill Team re-release was going to be an inquisition set, but then they dropped this Tau/ Primaris box.

    But they could release a Kill Team for each Ordo.

    The other thing? Look at the Apocalypse material for Imperial Agents. Seriously, here's the link- if you haven't already, it's worth your while: https://warhammer40000.com/apocalypse/datasheets/

    This tells you the exact units that are going to be in the Imperial Agents Dex when they release it. Of course in a dex they'll be detailed as units, not detachments, but the point remains: we have credible evidence that the inquisition, SoS, Rogue Tradersw etc. aren't going anywhere, and we have zero evidence to the contrary.

       
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    Wasn't there an interview where they said that inquisition doesn't really fit the scale of 40k and that they would limit them to KT and similar games?

     Daedalus81 wrote:
    SemperMortis wrote:
    Yes, because everyone lines up on the deployment line when facing off against orkz, especially when said orkz are fielding 3 Bonebreakers...which rely exclusively on getting into CC to inflict any kind of actual harm. All of your arguments rely upon your opponent being a brain dead muppet who just lets you maul him.


    Yea...that's called board control.
     
       
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    Honestly I suspect the "psychic awakening" may include mroe abotu inquisitors. hack the video was literally putting an inquisitor presenting the announcment of the psychic awakening.

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     Jidmah wrote:
    Wasn't there an interview where they said that inquisition doesn't really fit the scale of 40k and that they would limit them to KT and similar games?


    Interesting how that fits in with them releasing Apocalypse rules for them, no?

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    AdmiralHalsey wrote:
     Jidmah wrote:
    Wasn't there an interview where they said that inquisition doesn't really fit the scale of 40k and that they would limit them to KT and similar games?


    Interesting how that fits in with them releasing Apocalypse rules for them, no?


    You mean people at GW talk to each other?

    *looks at CSM 2.0 and SM 2.0 codices*

    Naaah.

     Daedalus81 wrote:
    SemperMortis wrote:
    Yes, because everyone lines up on the deployment line when facing off against orkz, especially when said orkz are fielding 3 Bonebreakers...which rely exclusively on getting into CC to inflict any kind of actual harm. All of your arguments rely upon your opponent being a brain dead muppet who just lets you maul him.


    Yea...that's called board control.
     
       
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     Jidmah wrote:
    Wasn't there an interview where they said that inquisition doesn't really fit the scale of 40k and that they would limit them to KT and similar games?


    There was. I find it crazy that they say this at the same time they're shoehorning Rogue Traders into 40k.

    The way they've handled the Inquisition stuff in 40k is baffling at best. You have really cool IP that could actually make the biggest hotness of 8th (soup) fluffy and sensible, with the Inquisition to tie it together. And because you don't want to make new kits (or make new kits with suitable options to model Inquisitorial forces), you mothball the faction?

    The kicker to me is that it wouldn't be that hard to do. You're talking an Inquisitor box with options and several different heads (charge, I dunno, $50 for it for all I care) and a 5 man Acolyte box, similar in scope to the GSC Acolytes. That's it. That's like a total of 5 sprues, if that, and you've got another plug and play detachment. They could've done that, instead of stuff nobody was really asking for like Aeronautica Imperialis (which, don't get me wrong, looks cool... but nobody was really asking for).

    It's things like this that make me doubt GW's savvy as a business.
       
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    To be fair, all that rogue trader, gellerpox, ambull and other random dark fortress stuff doesn't serve any purpose in games outside of campaign narrative.

    All of them are basically fancy basic infantry dudes.

     Daedalus81 wrote:
    SemperMortis wrote:
    Yes, because everyone lines up on the deployment line when facing off against orkz, especially when said orkz are fielding 3 Bonebreakers...which rely exclusively on getting into CC to inflict any kind of actual harm. All of your arguments rely upon your opponent being a brain dead muppet who just lets you maul him.


    Yea...that's called board control.
     
       
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    What's been reported in the past when people asked the GW designer about the Inquisition is that the designers don't think Inquisitors fit the scope of the the open battlefields in 40k.

    I think its kinda silly and sounds more like they're trying to justify not wanting them in 40k; a conclusions drawing a point rather than conclusion drawn from one.

    While GW might say they want you to play your own narrative, the way they write their army and unit rules opposes that. There is a certain shift happening in 40k with a greater emphasis on representing the lore as presented over allowing you to create the sort of protagonists that GW does. In the past the fact that someone like Greyfax exists would justify the Inquisition being on the battlefield, now I think the uniqueness of Greyfax and the elevation of that special character is justifying why there aren't.

    Just given what GW's said, I think we should expect something similar to Kill Team Rogue Trader, that introduces specific Inquisitors and their Acolytes for a self contained game and the 40k rules being inflexible representations of the specific unit composition and where even though they have rules they aren't anything particularly useful or practical outside of Kill Team.
       
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     ClockworkZion wrote:
    If you're talking about this image:


    The I on the top right is Deathwatch. Fleur-de-lys is Sisters. No Inquisition here.

    But I wouldn't have a freak out just yet since there a number of ways they could put them on the table.


    Am I wrong, is Custodes and GK not in that list?
       
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     FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
     ClockworkZion wrote:
    If you're talking about this image:


    The I on the top right is Deathwatch. Fleur-de-lys is Sisters. No Inquisition here.

    But I wouldn't have a freak out just yet since there a number of ways they could put them on the table.


    Am I wrong, is Custodes and GK not in that list?


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     FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
     ClockworkZion wrote:
    If you're talking about this image:


    The I on the top right is Deathwatch. Fleur-de-lys is Sisters. No Inquisition here.

    But I wouldn't have a freak out just yet since there a number of ways they could put them on the table.


    Am I wrong, is Custodes and GK not in that list?


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    Custodes and GK are both on that image
       
     
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