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cmspano wrote:
Clowns, TSons, and GKs never should have been their own armies. Or they should have done TSons better cause DG got more unique units. Or at least it feels that way.

Clowns have no business being a "full" army. GKs were stretched into one by adding bloat units. Same with DW.

This.

cmspano wrote:

The players I feel the worst for are players like Death Guard and Thousand Sons players. Fringe units turned into armies, but new and limited armies. I'll be shocked if we see a new genuine DG or TS model/unit in the next 2-3 years. But then if they do receive new models it'll again be at the sacrifice of Orks, Tau, Tyranids, etc. etc. etc.

It's simply too many factions to keep up to date and pay attention to...but more factions; more books, more sales, etc.

Clowns, TSons, and GKs never should have been their own armies. Or they should have done TSons better cause DG got more unique units. Or at least it feels that way.

Clowns have no business being a "full" army. GKs were stretched into one by adding bloat units. Same with DW.

I would have much rather seen an "Imperium Supplement: Inquisition" book that had GKs, DW, and some new inquisition units. But it would be intended to be a supplement to other imperial armies like inq is supposed to be.

Instead though we'll probably get a half assed WD index for inquisition, or they'll get squatted.

I would be satisfied with a Codex: Inquisition instead of Codex: Grey Knights, Codex: Sisters of Battle, and Codex: Deathwatch. That said, both Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters were larger armies at one point, until everything else got stripped away.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

cmspano wrote:

The players I feel the worst for are players like Death Guard and Thousand Sons players. Fringe units turned into armies, but new and limited armies. I'll be shocked if we see a new genuine DG or TS model/unit in the next 2-3 years. But then if they do receive new models it'll again be at the sacrifice of Orks, Tau, Tyranids, etc. etc. etc.

It's simply too many factions to keep up to date and pay attention to...but more factions; more books, more sales, etc.

Clowns, TSons, and GKs never should have been their own armies. Or they should have done TSons better cause DG got more unique units. Or at least it feels that way.

Clowns have no business being a "full" army. GKs were stretched into one by adding bloat units. Same with DW.

I would have much rather seen an "Imperium Supplement: Inquisition" book that had GKs, DW, and some new inquisition units. But it would be intended to be a supplement to other imperial armies like inq is supposed to be.

Instead though we'll probably get a half assed WD index for inquisition, or they'll get squatted.

I would be satisfied with a Codex: Inquisition instead of Codex: Grey Knights, Codex: Sisters of Battle, and Codex: Deathwatch. That said, both Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters were larger armies at one point, until everything else got stripped away.

That would be really nice, might make for a lot better deal, though we know sisters are getting their own codex.

 Ishagu wrote:
Marines sell well. GW just had an Eldar release, peopled weren't excited and did a lot of complaining.

I mean, I can't speak for every eldar player, but I'm not excited because I can't yet buy any of the new stuff.

it's only in a ridiculously expensive box set full of crappy units I already own.

I'd buy the new Drazar, or maybe the new Incubi, possibly even the new banshees as well once my paint backlog clears up a little more. But as of right now, I can't. So, hype level pretty much 0.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
It sounds like you don't necessarily need to take a break from playing so much as just skipping reading marine-centric threads on the internet. Unless your group is largely marine and/or plays on the bleed edge of meta with marines where maybe waiting for the marine supplement dust to settle. Then it might be a good idea to sit out a couple of months of games.

Again, I think you are getting worked up about something you have no control over (nor does anyone else here). I think avoiding all the space marine threads might be the best course of action. Barring that, try to focus on the positive of things. A little bit of complaining/griping is fine, but the posts of yours I remember are ones endlessly complaining about how bad the Orks have it and how great the marines have it. There is some truth to that, but there is also a bit of greener pastures too. So try and remember what you like about the hobby rather than fixating on what you don't. This is supposed to be fun. If it isn't, you are doing it wrong.

Avoiding the SM threads on the internet? I could never visit another forum again and I would still be bombarded with SM news, releases, rumours and models. They're all over the GW website, they're all over the GW mailshot, they're all over the GW community page, they're in every White Dwarf and they flood every game store. There is quite literally no way to participate in this hobby without getting Marine after Marine after Marine news/article/whatever thrown in your face. Why do you think 40k is synonymous with Marines? Do you think that was an accident or by GWs design? I know what I think.

It's too much. It's relentless. As someone said perfectly earlier in the thread - it is alienating a massive portion of the playerbase. This alienating has pushed me to take a break from the hobby.

The reason I will stop playing is because I am simply not playing the same game as my Marine counterparts and I don't don't find that fun. You're exactly correct in that this is supposed to be fun. The current set up is not fun.

You can look at my post history, I don't think you'll find much complaining from me about the Marine releases (apart from their frequency, which is tiresome) until it became apparent that they were absolutely broken. Orks are the strongest they have been for years. I just find their competitive builds incredibly boring, is all.

TheAvengingKnee wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

I would be satisfied with a Codex: Inquisition instead of Codex: Grey Knights, Codex: Sisters of Battle, and Codex: Deathwatch. That said, both Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters were larger armies at one point, until everything else got stripped away.

That would be really nice, might make for a lot better deal, though we know sisters are getting their own codex.

SoB really aren't a chamber militant in the same way than GK and DW are, they're part of the Ecclesiarchy. So Sisters can have their own book with other Ecclesiarchy stuff, and GK and DW can go to the Inquisition book.

 Ishagu wrote:
Marines sell well. GW just had an Eldar release, peopled weren't excited and did a lot of complaining.

2 points

1st its more expensive than any box set before that I can recall and I have so far bought all of the box sets (in some cases like assault on black reach 7 or 8, and dark vengence 4 or 5) .

2nd its all Eldar but it is also part Craftworld, part dark eldar. This makes it difficult to justify unless you collect both armies. Additionally several of the kits in the box are quite old. You will be hard pressed to find a Craftworld Eldar player in need of more grav tanks or vypers if they have been playing for a while. I hear similar complaints from the dark elves though I avoid the scum and villany of the commorough myself. Compare this to shadowspear where (again if i recall correctly) every kit in there was something new.

personally this may be the first box set i do not buy though I am interested in new Jain Zar and plastic banshees when they get their own release.

I think the issue is that I can't really see where GW is taking the other factions.

PA has left me if anything de-hyped. I was interested to know where they were taking Eldar of all flavours. The answer is nowhere. In the light of the Marine codexes this is obviously a stopgap book, that might be fun for playing some scenarios with your mates, but I don't think fundamentally alters how any of the factions play at a vaguely serious level. It doesn't change the factions or give them a new lease of life. And just 2 kits per faction, which are borderline re-prints of models which yes were ancient, but were not exactly impossible to get hold of.

I'm not obsessed about as Vipoid - but DE as a faction just seems to get smaller and smaller as they cut it up into tinier and tinier parts. We really need some new stuff to patch over the chasms. Or to build Kabals/Covens/Cults into their own thing. Rather than mini-factions with no more units than Harlequins. (Who I don't mind being their own thing, they could just do with another unit or two as well.)

It feels a bit like Vigilus. "Oh this is cool, oh wait, no, its a sort of cosmetic DLC that you are going to be bored off in six months. Just more clutter to consider."

This goes just as much for the CSM 2.0 codex, which has to now look as a rather sad cash in to flog some Lord Discordants.

So I am not made bitter by the Marine releases - I just don't have much hope for anyone else.

Agree with the OP, I am utterly tired of Space Marines. Its even worse when you go in lore related forums and about a third of the posts are Marines or Primarchs related, personally I blame the HH for that.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Agree with the OP, I am utterly tired of Space Marines. Its even worse when you go in lore related forums and about a third of the posts are Marines or Primarchs related, personally I blame the HH for that.

I also agree with the general sentiment of the OP and yours. There is so much Space Marines, even as the release of Jain Zar, Drazhar, Incubi, Banshees, both armies I collect, I was starting to consider shifting toward Age of Sigmar before I realised I would have a massive Stormcast Eternal problem there too. I do to blame the Horus Heresy surge of novels, but it was already fairly endemic with Space Marine novels outnumbering all others combined by a wide margin. It's like if GW is running adds only for one product in their line of 20 and then get's amazed at how well that product sells and decides to double down on it twice harder. It's basically a recepe to push all other consumer out of there.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Its even worse when you go in lore related forums and about a third of the posts are Marines or Primarchs related, personally I blame the HH for that.

Oh my god this.

All day this.

If I see another "Who would win? Magnus with one arm missing or Guilliman but with Angron's left leg" or "Would Angron have been a good guy if he had a completely different early life, never landed on the planet he ended up on and was loved by his Dad da God Emprah?" I'm going to weep. Internally at least.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
It sounds like you don't necessarily need to take a break from playing so much as just skipping reading marine-centric threads on the internet. Unless your group is largely marine and/or plays on the bleed edge of meta with marines where maybe waiting for the marine supplement dust to settle. Then it might be a good idea to sit out a couple of months of games.

Again, I think you are getting worked up about something you have no control over (nor does anyone else here). I think avoiding all the space marine threads might be the best course of action. Barring that, try to focus on the positive of things. A little bit of complaining/griping is fine, but the posts of yours I remember are ones endlessly complaining about how bad the Orks have it and how great the marines have it. There is some truth to that, but there is also a bit of greener pastures too. So try and remember what you like about the hobby rather than fixating on what you don't. This is supposed to be fun. If it isn't, you are doing it wrong.

Avoiding the SM threads on the internet? I could never visit another forum again and I would still be bombarded with SM news, releases, rumours and models. They're all over the GW website, they're all over the GW mailshot, they're all over the GW community page, they're in every White Dwarf and they flood every game store. There is quite literally no way to participate in this hobby without getting Marine after Marine after Marine news/article/whatever thrown in your face. Why do you think 40k is synonymous with Marines? Do you think that was an accident or by GWs design? I know what I think.

It's too much. It's relentless. As someone said perfectly earlier in the thread - it is alienating a massive portion of the playerbase. This alienating has pushed me to take a break from the hobby.

The reason I will stop playing is because I am simply not playing the same game as my Marine counterparts and I don't don't find that fun. You're exactly correct in that this is supposed to be fun. The current set up is not fun.

You can look at my post history, I don't think you'll find much complaining from me about the Marine releases (apart from their frequency, which is tiresome) until it became apparent that they were absolutely broken. Orks are the strongest they have been for years. I just find their competitive builds incredibly boring, is all.

I am pretty sure most of the population of the world has managed to avoid GW space marines on the internet. So I think it is quite easy to avoid them there. Same with most forums. That post is coming on rather extreme like space marines haunt your dreams and you are uncontrollably compelled to read more about space marines despite your protests. However, I hope I get what you are saying is, "Avoiding the SM threads on the 40k portion of the internet?"

Well yeah, they make up most of the player base and have for some time. You might have noticed they tend to be on the covers BRB and other general stuff over the last 20-30 years. It is kinda what 40k is known for. That would be living in Manchester and being a fan of football yet tired of see United stuff on the local sports forums. But you know what? You don't have to open any of those threads/pages that are specifically about space marines. It won't avoid them completely but that should cut down you exposure of space marines considerably.

"There is quite literally no way to participate in this hobby without getting Marine after Marine after Marine news/article/whatever thrown in your face."

Once again do you mean the 40k HHHobby? Because that quote again reads very extremist/obsessive to me. I was in miniatures war gaming long before playing 40k, and I mostly certainly never encountered marine after marine article unless you are talking about USMC in the Pacific Campaign. Even with 40k, one could easily participate in this hobby avoid that by simply not reading them. Which is what I am getting at. You don't want to read about space marines? Then don't, period. Only you control want you read. Again, have the self control to not click on those threads, articles, links, etc. specifically about space marines. You don't need to read much more than the BRB, your codex, the FAQ and maybe the CA to play this game, and even that stuff can be greatly reduced if you have an easy going group. You can completely get by in the hobby just painting anything not space marine and never have to worry about that sort of thing again. If you want more on non-space marine stuff start some of it yourself. That is about the most control you can have.

There being too much space marine stuff seems like more of personal perception thing. I have a Primaris space marine army, and I barely know what is going on marines. I don't need to click on every single thing concerning space marines and try to stay current. I knew from the outset I wasn't getting a chapter supplement as my marines are 2nd legion. I don't really care what's in them becuase I don't need my army to be the best it possibly can be. I just use only the codex and try to make it work the best I can. Which playing games of full 40k is sort of rare thing for me, as I still mostly play Kill Team. And in my neck of the woods it is all about the Tyranids. Every player in my group has a Tyranid team, and I have been playing them near back to back. I can't say I am much better as I am currently playing GSC. So it is tyranid, tyranid, GSC, tyranid, tyranid everywhere for me. So I can get it being too much to some extent. It is a bit annoying, but I can't control what my opponent wants to play. I can control not reading anything concerning tyranids and Kill Team though.

I am not going to look at your post history as I told you my general impression of you has been that your are grumpy about the state of Orks mostly concerning units that aren't competitive, not that Orks themselves aren't competitive at all. And you seem to really have it in for Space Marines. I am sure you can point to posts here and there that contradict that. I just wanted to give you my impression of you based on what I have read here on Dakka cat this point. I don't know if others share that opinion.

Don't get me wrong. I want all finecast gone from 40k. I think it is kinda said that the industry leader still has basic building block units in not plastic still. I also want to see each faction have a good selection of model and unit choices and 40k is far from that. The state of Eldar models is kinda embarrassing that it is just now being dealt with. Even the Orks should probably have their Kommandos, Tank Bustas and Storm Boyz as plastic kits at this point. I want every major faction to have more even footing. However, I not going to do via crab mentality. Which is what your rant seems to want.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Its even worse when you go in lore related forums and about a third of the posts are Marines or Primarchs related, personally I blame the HH for that.

Oh my god this.

All day this.

If I see another "Who would win? Magnus with one arm missing or Guilliman but with Angron's left leg" or "Would Angron have been a good guy if he had a completely different early life, never landed on the planet he ended up on and was loved by his Dad da God Emprah?" I'm going to weep. Internally at least.

I'm a marine player and I've come to the conclusion that the Primarchs were a huge mistake.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I am pretty sure most of the population of the world has managed to avoid GW space marines on the internet. So I think it is quite easy to avoid them there. Same with most forums. That post is coming on rather extreme like space marines haunt your dreams and you are uncontrollably compelled to read more about space marines despite your protests. However, I hope I get what you are saying is, "Avoiding the SM threads on the 40k portion of the internet?"

You could read what I have written? What I am saying is all there - it is impossible to participate in the 40k hobby without getting bombarded by SM from every possible direction, whether in GW stores, on their website, on forums, in magazines, in the literature etc etc etc

Well yeah, they make up most of the player base and have for some time. You might have noticed they tend to be on the covers BRB and other general stuff over the last 20-30 years. It is kinda what 40k is known for. That would be living in Manchester and being a fan of football yet tired of see United stuff on the local sports forums. But you know what? You don't have to open any of those threads/pages that are specifically about space marines. It won't avoid them completely but that should cut down you exposure of space marines considerably.

Your football analogy is apt because it can be used to help perfectly describe what is happening here (the problem is you've used it completely wrong). What it's actually like is as if you were supporting a particular team, looking forward to match of the day every week, then getting 55 minutes detailed analysis of the Utd match and all of the other matches are crammed into the final 5 minutes as an afterthought. This is what it is to be a 40k fan that doesn't play Marines.

"There is quite literally no way to participate in this hobby without getting Marine after Marine after Marine news/article/whatever thrown in your face."

Once again do you mean the 40k HHHobby? Because that quote again reads very extremist/obsessive to me. I was in miniatures war gaming long before playing 40k, and I mostly certainly never encountered marine after marine article unless you are talking about USMC in the Pacific Campaign. Even with 40k, one could easily participate in this hobby avoid that by simply not reading them. Which is what I am getting at. You don't want to read about space marines? Then don't, period. Only you control want you read. Again, have the self control to not click on those threads, articles, links, etc. specifically about space marines. You don't need to read much more than the BRB, your codex, the FAQ and maybe the CA to play this game, and even that stuff can be greatly reduced if you have an easy going group. You can completely get by in the hobby just painting anything not space marine and never have to worry about that sort of thing again. If you want more on non-space marine stuff start some of it yourself. That is about the most control you can have.

Y'know what? You could also control yourself. If you don't like what I'm saying in this thread that I have made on a public forum feel free not to click on it. Feel free not to respond. Feel free not to attempt to tell me how I should feel about something that irritates me (and others, apparently). I do believe it is impossible to participate in this hobby in any meaningful way without getting flooded with SM information. That in and of itself isn't a bad thing (although it is tiring). The thing that annoys me is that one minute GW is claiming "OMG guyz just wait for this EPIC GLOBAL CAMPAIGN that will feature releases and stuff for EVERY FACTIONNN, you will LOVE ITTT!!!" and then releases a ton of stuff for Marines, spends more time hyping them up and has clearly put infinitely more effort into their release. So that campaign for everyone is actually a load of horse gak and unless I play Marines I have very little to be excited about. For context, this is after a boxed set that contained an entire set's worth of new models for Marines, new models for Marines released in a previous "campaign" where they were the clear focus, a load of new models at the start of 8th for them and of course a history of getting the lion's share of resource every previous edition, ironically when GW are literally claiming that things are different this edition. I am also sick of GW's bull gak.

There being too much space marine stuff seems like more of personal perception thing.

Really? It must just be me then. I'm sure no one will agree with this OP.

I am not going to look at your post history as I told you my general impression of you has been that your are grumpy about the state of Orks mostly concerning units that aren't competitive, not that Orks themselves aren't competitive at all. And you seem to really have it in for Space Marines. I am sure you can point to posts here and there that contradict that. I just wanted to give you my impression of you based on what I have read here on Dakka cat this point. I don't know if others share that opinion.

Well I can tell you that your general impression is wrong. I have nothing against Space Marines particularly. I have an issue with any faction that is so much better than anything else that it becomes un-fun to play or a requirement of playing competitively. I also have an issue with GW not "spreading the love" in terms of releases for literally anything else.

Petition GW to not release Space Marines?

Way to waste your time...

One thing not release space marines, other thing to release bit less so that other factions could get new model or two or semi decent codex once in a while.

Would it kill GW to say use 95% of effort toward marines instead and put that little bit extra for other factions?

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Petition GW to not release Space Marines?

Way to waste your time...

People said this exact thing about plastic SoB releases not too long ago IIRC.

There is a difference between wanting less and wanting none.

As a marine player myself I completely agree with this. The primaris reboot will probably make them money in the short run but both in design and background I consider them toxic to the hobby on many levels.

The marine line was more than complete and I would have preferred GW had focused on the other model lines than the endless parade of new marines.

I have several Marine armies and am bored stupid of the constant and unrelenting new marine releases that mean virtually nothing else gets done.

Yeah we had a brief breather for a fairly crappy boxed set of eldar but only so we could plunge back into - marine releases.

Every week its the same.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I have several Marine armies and am bored stupid of the constant and unrelenting new marine releases that mean virtually nothing else gets done.

Yeah we had a brief breather for a fairly crappy boxed set of eldar but only so we could plunge back into - marine releases.

Every week its the same.

Meanwhile whole armies and factions stagnate or simply do not exist even though they would fit nicely conceptually.

From traitor guard and cults to Tau and auxillia to eldar range and their ancientness. Not to mention Corsairs or de hq choices.

But WE NEEED that new primaris phopos plebian Leutnant.

Marines are my favorite army and I have fatigue at this point. This all should have been 1 big release....to drag this out doesn't even make business sense...fanatical players will just buy everything they want. Just release everything at once...

Too much special snowflakes. Marines are Marines to me.

The backlog of yet to be updated models creates a problem IMO when it comes time to that faction's next Codex release. Why? GW likes to create new units and new models of new units in order to generate hype. If a faction's Codex release just consisted of updating the old models, I'm sure many people would complain of it being "boring". However by devoting time to new units, the backlogged updating falls even further behind.

Maybe this Phoenix Rising release is a sign of a new trickle release strategy for such factions, but I'm doubtful it will make a huge dent unless GW starts doing an updated model release in every wave. For example, how many more Aspects and Phoenix Lords need updating? I seriously doubt we are going to see a new Phoenix Lord and Aspect show up in every Psychic Awakening (or later equivalent) release, in time for everything to be updated before the next Eldar Codex.

I like that there is new models and the new codex was nice, but the supplements were unnecessary. They're just bloat, cause balance problems and hog the release schedule.

They should have just released the codex and the associated models in one batch and then moved to other things.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Marines are my favorite army and I have fatigue at this point. This all should have been 1 big release....to drag this out doesn't even make business sense...fanatical players will just buy everything they want. Just release everything at once...

Too much special snowflakes. Marines are Marines to me.

It does make buisness sense though because it stabilizes earnings which looks nice to investors.
Blame stockmarkets i guess

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Petition GW to not release Space Marines?

Way to waste your time...

People said this exact thing about plastic SoB releases not too long ago IIRC.
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Yeah, but plastic SoB is something they'd have done anyways. Eventually. Less or no Marines? Lol, no.

Iracundus wrote:
The backlog of yet to be updated models creates a problem IMO when it comes time to that faction's next Codex release. Why? GW likes to create new units and new models of new units in order to generate hype. If a faction's Codex release just consisted of updating the old models, I'm sure many people would complain of it being "boring". However by devoting time to new units, the backlogged updating falls even further behind.

Maybe this Phoenix Rising release is a sign of a new trickle release strategy for such factions, but I'm doubtful it will make a huge dent unless GW starts doing an updated model release in every wave. For example, how many more Aspects and Phoenix Lords need updating? I seriously doubt we are going to see a new Phoenix Lord and Aspect show up in every Psychic Awakening (or later equivalent) release, in time for everything to be updated before the next Eldar Codex.

Five more Aspect Warriors, six if you want to update Dire Avengers and five more Phoenix Lords. You can add one more in each category if you want to import the Forge World Shadow Spectres. One per month would basically mean about five or six month of release. That's quite a bit. Add a new Aspect Warrior type at the end and you basically golden.

ccs wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Petition GW to not release Space Marines?

Way to waste your time...

People said this exact thing about plastic SoB releases not too long ago IIRC.
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Yeah, but plastic SoB is something they'd have done anyways. Eventually. Less or no Marines? Lol, no.

But not even that they could do correctly.
Heck Spikey marines dex was a hackjob for 40$..
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Oh, I don't mind you ranting about this topic at all. I just think this is a lot less about playing 40k than it is reading about 40k. Your OP was all about no longer wanting to play 40k because their is too much being written about space marines. Which I kindly, I thought, suggested maybe cutting back on reading threads, articles, whatever concerning space marines as a way to relieve this issue. Then you responded saying it was literally impossible. Which I disagree with. Visiting any 40k site is completely optional to enjoying Warhammer 40k as a hobby. You sound more and more like someone angry at the stuff on social media and when the suggestion of maybe cutting back on using it, you become hostile about it. That is all I suggesting. Maybe cut back on the sites you visit and in particular avoid clicking on the stuff you know is going to be about space marines. Maybe try to play the non-marine opponents in your area. I think that is a far more workable solution to the: Hey guys I think all the threads, articles, etc. about space marines is negatively affecting the hobby because we are all tired of talking about space marines and we should stop.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

Spoiler:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I am pretty sure most of the population of the world has managed to avoid GW space marines on the internet. So I think it is quite easy to avoid them there. Same with most forums. That post is coming on rather extreme like space marines haunt your dreams and you are uncontrollably compelled to read more about space marines despite your protests. However, I hope I get what you are saying is, "Avoiding the SM threads on the 40k portion of the internet?"

You could read what I have written? What I am saying is all there - it is impossible to participate in the 40k hobby without getting bombarded by SM from every possible direction, whether in GW stores, on their website, on forums, in magazines, in the literature etc etc etc

Well yeah, they make up most of the player base and have for some time. You might have noticed they tend to be on the covers BRB and other general stuff over the last 20-30 years. It is kinda what 40k is known for. That would be living in Manchester and being a fan of football yet tired of see United stuff on the local sports forums. But you know what? You don't have to open any of those threads/pages that are specifically about space marines. It won't avoid them completely but that should cut down you exposure of space marines considerably.

Your football analogy is apt because it can be used to help perfectly describe what is happening here (the problem is you've used it completely wrong). What it's actually like is as if you were supporting a particular team, looking forward to match of the day every week, then getting 55 minutes detailed analysis of the Utd match and all of the other matches are crammed into the final 5 minutes as an afterthought. This is what it is to be a 40k fan that doesn't play Marines.

"There is quite literally no way to participate in this hobby without getting Marine after Marine after Marine news/article/whatever thrown in your face."

Once again do you mean the 40k HHHobby? Because that quote again reads very extremist/obsessive to me. I was in miniatures war gaming long before playing 40k, and I mostly certainly never encountered marine after marine article unless you are talking about USMC in the Pacific Campaign. Even with 40k, one could easily participate in this hobby avoid that by simply not reading them. Which is what I am getting at. You don't want to read about space marines? Then don't, period. Only you control want you read. Again, have the self control to not click on those threads, articles, links, etc. specifically about space marines. You don't need to read much more than the BRB, your codex, the FAQ and maybe the CA to play this game, and even that stuff can be greatly reduced if you have an easy going group. You can completely get by in the hobby just painting anything not space marine and never have to worry about that sort of thing again. If you want more on non-space marine stuff start some of it yourself. That is about the most control you can have.

Y'know what? You could also control yourself. If you don't like what I'm saying in this thread that I have made on a public forum feel free not to click on it. Feel free not to respond. Feel free not to attempt to tell me how I should feel about something that irritates me (and others, apparently). I do believe it is impossible to participate in this hobby in any meaningful way without getting flooded with SM information. That in and of itself isn't a bad thing (although it is tiring). The thing that annoys me is that one minute GW is claiming "OMG guyz just wait for this EPIC GLOBAL CAMPAIGN that will feature releases and stuff for EVERY FACTIONNN, you will LOVE ITTT!!!" and then releases a ton of stuff for Marines, spends more time hyping them up and has clearly put infinitely more effort into their release. So that campaign for everyone is actually a load of horse gak and unless I play Marines I have very little to be excited about. For context, this is after a boxed set that contained an entire set's worth of new models for Marines, new models for Marines released in a previous "campaign" where they were the clear focus, a load of new models at the start of 8th for them and of course a history of getting the lion's share of resource every previous edition, ironically when GW are literally claiming that things are different this edition. I am also sick of GW's bull gak.

There being too much space marine stuff seems like more of personal perception thing.

Really? It must just be me then. I'm sure no one will agree with this OP.

I am not going to look at your post history as I told you my general impression of you has been that your are grumpy about the state of Orks mostly concerning units that aren't competitive, not that Orks themselves aren't competitive at all. And you seem to really have it in for Space Marines. I am sure you can point to posts here and there that contradict that. I just wanted to give you my impression of you based on what I have read here on Dakka cat this point. I don't know if others share that opinion.

Well I can tell you that your general impression is wrong. I have nothing against Space Marines particularly. I have an issue with any faction that is so much better than anything else that it becomes un-fun to play or a requirement of playing competitively. I also have an issue with GW not "spreading the love" in terms of releases for literally anything else.

Oh, I don't mind you ranting about this topic at all. I just think this is a lot less about playing 40k than it is reading about 40k. Your OP was all about no longer wanting to play 40k because their is too much being written about space marines. Which I kindly, I thought, suggested maybe cutting back on reading threads, articles, whatever concerning space marines as a way to relieve this issue. Then you responded saying it was literally impossible. Which I disagree with. Visiting any 40k site is completely optional to enjoying Warhammer 40k as a hobby. You sound more and more like someone angry at the stuff on social media and when the suggestion of maybe cutting back on using it, you become hostile about it. That is all I suggesting. Maybe cut back on the sites you visit and in particular avoid clicking on the stuff you know is going to be about space marines. Maybe try to play the non-marine opponents in your area. I think that is a far more workable solution to the: Hey guys I think all the threads, articles, etc. about space marines is negatively affecting the hobby because we are all tired of talking about space marines and we should stop.

besides, most of the threads relate to new releases, we've known about these releases for awhile now. Why click on a thread titled "Imperial Fists" or "Imperial Fists supplement rumors"or "will I feel bad using blue iron hands?" if you don't wanna hear about space Marines? These are all threads An Actual Englishman has posted on. I'm not saying he's not welcome to post (sometimes it's good to have a non marine players prespective in marine threads) but if he's sick of marine discussion he can just ignore threads relating to it. I mean, nothing is stopping you from starting your own threads to discuss what you're intrested in.

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 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I am pretty sure most of the population of the world has managed to avoid GW space marines on the internet. So I think it is quite easy to avoid them there. Same with most forums. That post is coming on rather extreme like space marines haunt your dreams and you are uncontrollably compelled to read more about space marines despite your protests. However, I hope I get what you are saying is, "Avoiding the SM threads on the 40k portion of the internet?"

You could read what I have written? What I am saying is all there - it is impossible to participate in the 40k hobby without getting bombarded by SM from every possible direction, whether in GW stores, on their website, on forums, in magazines, in the literature etc etc etc

Well yeah, they make up most of the player base and have for some time. You might have noticed they tend to be on the covers BRB and other general stuff over the last 20-30 years. It is kinda what 40k is known for. That would be living in Manchester and being a fan of football yet tired of see United stuff on the local sports forums. But you know what? You don't have to open any of those threads/pages that are specifically about space marines. It won't avoid them completely but that should cut down you exposure of space marines considerably.

Your football analogy is apt because it can be used to help perfectly describe what is happening here (the problem is you've used it completely wrong). What it's actually like is as if you were supporting a particular team, looking forward to match of the day every week, then getting 55 minutes detailed analysis of the Utd match and all of the other matches are crammed into the final 5 minutes as an afterthought. This is what it is to be a 40k fan that doesn't play Marines.

"There is quite literally no way to participate in this hobby without getting Marine after Marine after Marine news/article/whatever thrown in your face."

Once again do you mean the 40k HHHobby? Because that quote again reads very extremist/obsessive to me. I was in miniatures war gaming long before playing 40k, and I mostly certainly never encountered marine after marine article unless you are talking about USMC in the Pacific Campaign. Even with 40k, one could easily participate in this hobby avoid that by simply not reading them. Which is what I am getting at. You don't want to read about space marines? Then don't, period. Only you control want you read. Again, have the self control to not click on those threads, articles, links, etc. specifically about space marines. You don't need to read much more than the BRB, your codex, the FAQ and maybe the CA to play this game, and even that stuff can be greatly reduced if you have an easy going group. You can completely get by in the hobby just painting anything not space marine and never have to worry about that sort of thing again. If you want more on non-space marine stuff start some of it yourself. That is about the most control you can have.

Y'know what? You could also control yourself. If you don't like what I'm saying in this thread that I have made on a public forum feel free not to click on it. Feel free not to respond. Feel free not to attempt to tell me how I should feel about something that irritates me (and others, apparently). I do believe it is impossible to participate in this hobby in any meaningful way without getting flooded with SM information. That in and of itself isn't a bad thing (although it is tiring). The thing that annoys me is that one minute GW is claiming "OMG guyz just wait for this EPIC GLOBAL CAMPAIGN that will feature releases and stuff for EVERY FACTIONNN, you will LOVE ITTT!!!" and then releases a ton of stuff for Marines, spends more time hyping them up and has clearly put infinitely more effort into their release. So that campaign for everyone is actually a load of horse gak and unless I play Marines I have very little to be excited about. For context, this is after a boxed set that contained an entire set's worth of new models for Marines, new models for Marines released in a previous "campaign" where they were the clear focus, a load of new models at the start of 8th for them and of course a history of getting the lion's share of resource every previous edition, ironically when GW are literally claiming that things are different this edition. I am also sick of GW's bull gak.

There being too much space marine stuff seems like more of personal perception thing.

Really? It must just be me then. I'm sure no one will agree with this OP.

I am not going to look at your post history as I told you my general impression of you has been that your are grumpy about the state of Orks mostly concerning units that aren't competitive, not that Orks themselves aren't competitive at all. And you seem to really have it in for Space Marines. I am sure you can point to posts here and there that contradict that. I just wanted to give you my impression of you based on what I have read here on Dakka cat this point. I don't know if others share that opinion.

Well I can tell you that your general impression is wrong. I have nothing against Space Marines particularly. I have an issue with any faction that is so much better than anything else that it becomes un-fun to play or a requirement of playing competitively. I also have an issue with GW not "spreading the love" in terms of releases for literally anything else.

Oh, I don't mind you ranting about this topic at all. I just think this is a lot less about playing 40k than it is reading about 40k. Your OP was all about no longer wanting to play 40k because their is too much being written about space marines. Which I kindly, I thought, suggested maybe cutting back on reading threads, articles, whatever concerning space marines as a way to relieve this issue. Then you responded saying it was literally impossible. Which I disagree with. Visiting any 40k site is completely optional to enjoying Warhammer 40k as a hobby. You sound more and more like someone angry at the stuff on social media and when the suggestion of maybe cutting back on using it, you become hostile about it. That is all I suggesting. Maybe cut back on the sites you visit and in particular avoid clicking on the stuff you know is going to be about space marines. Maybe try to play the non-marine opponents in your area. I think that is a far more workable solution to the: Hey guys I think all the threads, articles, etc. about space marines is negatively affecting the hobby because we are all tired of talking about space marines and we should stop.

besides, most of the threads relate to new releases, we've known about these releases for awhile now. Why click on a thread titled "Imperial Fists" or "Imperial Fists supplement rumors"or "will I feel bad using blue iron hands?" if you don't wanna hear about space Marines? These are all threads An Actual Englishman has posted on. I'm not saying he's not welcome to post (sometimes it's good to have a non marine players prespective in marine threads) but if he's sick of marine discussion he can just ignore threads relating to it. I mean, nothing is stopping you from starting your own threads to discuss what you're intrested in.

Why are you both ignoring the fact that my complaint has nothing to do with posters on forums discussing Marines and everything to do with GW's obsession with them? Why are you both attempting to strawman so desperately here?

Have either of you actually read my OP? If so, read it again.