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Gathering the Informations.

They haven't been announced yet.

Last year they got announced early, as the Christmas Gift Guide books got leaked.
   
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Pop over to the WHC website, they are up now.

Please note, for those of you who play Chaos Daemons as a faction the term "Daemon" is potentially offensive. Instead, please play codex "Chaos: Mortally Challenged". Thank you. 
   
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 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Pop over to the WHC website, they are up now.


Nice....one question...as a returning player, whats WHC? Searched but cant find, Warhammer...something?

Looked on normal GW site and nothing.
   
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VAYASEN wrote:
 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Pop over to the WHC website, they are up now.


Nice....one question...as a returning player, whats WHC? Searched but cant find, Warhammer...something?

Looked on normal GW site and nothing.


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/30/gifts-for-good-grotsgw-homepage-post-1/
   
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Ohhhhhh, that drukhari box is hilarious.

I thought they might finally, FINALLY give drukhari a battlebox that has the Covens range in it - you know, that range that is all in fairly modern plastic except for one single unit and has yet to appear in any bundle box? but no.

Instead, they give us....an unplayable box. Containing mostly stuff that appears in every other bundle box.

Well OK, it's PLAYABLE, but it's playable like a bundle box that contains

Space Wolf Pack
Dark Angel Veterans pack
Deathwatch Flyer
Grey Knights Terminators
Robute Guilliman

the bikers and Talos in that box might as well be a separate faction at this point.


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Tau Battleforce: looks like 10 Fire Warriors, 1 Devilfish, 1 Commander, 3 Crisis Suits, 3 Stealth Suits. Really, Really good box right there. A+.

Chaos Space Marines:10 new chaos marines, 5 new Havocs, 1 chaos rhino, 5 terminators, Terminator Lord. Pretty predictable but also a great army starter.

BlooDangles: 10 Intercessors, Baal Pred, Jump Pack Chaplain, 5 DC, 5 Sang Guard, Terminator Captain. Lots of crap units sadly.

Drukhari: 20 Kabalites, 1 Archon, 1 Venom, 1 Razorwing Jetfighter, 1 Talos, 3 Bikers. Lol. Decent units, but what a horrible army as a self-contained box.

Space Wolfies: 10 intercessors (Got enough of these guys yet?) 1 Wolfwolf gunship, 5 Wulfen, Wolfy Techpriest guy.

Tyranids: hive Tyrant, 2 Carnifexes, 10 Hormagants, 10 Termagants, 8 Genestealers, 10 Gargoyles. Lot of stuff!

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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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These boxes this year are mostly turds...particularly when compared to the same options from a year or two ago. They've gak the bed with this year's Battle Forces.
   
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Nice. I take it they announce pricing later?(UK)

Interested from you experienced people how good value for example the Tyranid/Tau boxes are and also the space marine Vanguard.

   
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Gargoyles for nids?
Like in Plastic and propper?
Honestly that army is quite likeable

The chaos one seems a bit small comparativly.
Also marines and termites aren't good by any margin.

Also is the start collecting Chaos Marines box really saddled with the terrible csm squad Layout?
Please tell me that ain't the case!

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2019/10/30 18:30:46


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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Port Carmine

The Drukhari bix is definitely.....odd. That said, I'm in the market for a Razorwing and another Venom, can always do with more Reavers and Kabalites. Let's see how much they want for it.

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Not Online!!! wrote:
Gargoyles for nids?
Like in Plastic and propper?
Honestly that army is quite likeable

The chaos one seems a bit small comparativly.
Also marines and termites aren't good by any margin.

Also is the start collecting Chaos Marines box really saddled with the terrible csm squad Layout?
Please tell me that ain't the case!


It 100% is. Those are the monopose sprues from the recent box set.




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Not Online!!! wrote:
Gargoyles for nids?
Like in Plastic and propper?
Honestly that army is quite likeable

The chaos one seems a bit small comparativly.
Also marines and termites aren't good by any margin.

Also is the start collecting Chaos Marines box really saddled with the terrible csm squad Layout?
Please tell me that ain't the case!


Are they not? You can certainly use 3x5 CSM bodies in a competitive list a rhino and some termies aren't amazing, for sure.

I was thinking the Space Wolf/ Blood Angel ones were looking hilariously spare compared to the glut of models you get from the nids and drukhari one. Even if the drukhari is a....special mix.

Do nid lists still do the carnifex spam thing? if so that's not terrible. But IDK what a competitive nid list looks like these days. Tau box looks solid, only shaky piece is the devilfish.

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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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the_scotsman wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Gargoyles for nids?
Like in Plastic and propper?
Honestly that army is quite likeable

The chaos one seems a bit small comparativly.
Also marines and termites aren't good by any margin.

Also is the start collecting Chaos Marines box really saddled with the terrible csm squad Layout?
Please tell me that ain't the case!


It 100% is. Those are the monopose sprues from the recent box set.



feths sake.
I am allready annoyed by the fact that a normal CSM box has only 8 boltguns. Now you can get a squad with monopose of which you can't really use 5 dudes.
Well atleast the squad has an Autocannon and PG.....
How do you even suggest something like this for a start collecting box.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Gathering the Informations.

 harlokin wrote:
The Drukhari bix is definitely.....odd. That said, I'm in the market for a Razorwing and another Venom, can always do with more Reavers and Kabalites. Let's see how much they want for it.

It and the Tyranids box are both on the higher end, $185USD.

Nids saves you $105USD to everything individually while Drukhari saves you $90USD.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 harlokin wrote:
The Drukhari bix is definitely.....odd. That said, I'm in the market for a Razorwing and another Venom, can always do with more Reavers and Kabalites. Let's see how much they want for it.

It and the Tyranids box are both on the higher end, $185USD.

Nids saves you $105USD to everything individually while Drukhari saves you $90USD.


What about the CSM box.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Not Online!!! wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 harlokin wrote:
The Drukhari bix is definitely.....odd. That said, I'm in the market for a Razorwing and another Venom, can always do with more Reavers and Kabalites. Let's see how much they want for it.

It and the Tyranids box are both on the higher end, $185USD.

Nids saves you $105USD to everything individually while Drukhari saves you $90USD.


What about the CSM box.

$170USD, same as Tau.

Both come out to $245 MSRP, when buying stuff individually. Both save you $75.
   
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Is the marine Vangaurd and CSM start collecting essentially the two halves of shadow spear? Asking as if so, might get the CSM box for my son.

It never ends well 
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 harlokin wrote:
The Drukhari bix is definitely.....odd. That said, I'm in the market for a Razorwing and another Venom, can always do with more Reavers and Kabalites. Let's see how much they want for it.

It and the Tyranids box are both on the higher end, $185USD.

Nids saves you $105USD to everything individually while Drukhari saves you $90USD.


What about the CSM box.

$170USD, same as Tau.

Both come out to $245 MSRP, when buying stuff individually. Both save you $75.


I admit the Nid box has me tempted, and the SC beyond the terribad CSM SQUAD loadout, has me more tempted then the bigger one.



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 Stormonu wrote:
Is the marine Vangaurd and CSM start collecting essentially the two halves of shadow spear? Asking as if so, might get the CSM box for my son.


yep, except one HQ seems missing.

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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Gargoyles for nids?
Like in Plastic and propper?
Honestly that army is quite likeable

The chaos one seems a bit small comparativly.
Also marines and termites aren't good by any margin.

Also is the start collecting Chaos Marines box really saddled with the terrible csm squad Layout?
Please tell me that ain't the case!


It 100% is. Those are the monopose sprues from the recent box set.



feths sake.
I am allready annoyed by the fact that a normal CSM box has only 8 boltguns. Now you can get a squad with monopose of which you can't really use 5 dudes.
Well atleast the squad has an Autocannon and PG.....
How do you even suggest something like this for a start collecting box.


I mean the alternative is throwing the molds to make the monopose models into the trash can.

It also means GW can feel free to Aberrant those models from Shadowspear that don't have real kits because they still *technically* do sell them. So enjoy getting your Venomcrawlers, Obliterators, Suppressors et al from a very expensive bundle box, kids!

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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Gathering the Informations.

 Stormonu wrote:
Is the marine Vangaurd and CSM start collecting essentially the two halves of shadow spear? Asking as if so, might get the CSM box for my son.

Yes, but the Marine one is incomplete.

Marine one does not include the Phobos Captain and Librarian.


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the_scotsman wrote:

I mean the alternative is throwing the molds to make the monopose models into the trash can.

It also means GW can feel free to Aberrant those models from Shadowspear that don't have real kits because they still *technically* do sell them. So enjoy getting your Venomcrawlers, Obliterators, Suppressors et al from a very expensive bundle box, kids!

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...all indications are that they'll be releasing a Venomcrawler/variant kit, Obliterators/Mutilators kit, and Suppressors later.

There was purportedly a mention of something called "Hellfuries" for Marines in the Ultramarines supplement, made it sound like Suppressors armed with melta weaponry.

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So £140 for the drukhari box right?

 
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Gargoyles for nids?
Like in Plastic and propper?
Honestly that army is quite likeable

The chaos one seems a bit small comparativly.
Also marines and termites aren't good by any margin.

Also is the start collecting Chaos Marines box really saddled with the terrible csm squad Layout?
Please tell me that ain't the case!


It 100% is. Those are the monopose sprues from the recent box set.



feths sake.
I am allready annoyed by the fact that a normal CSM box has only 8 boltguns. Now you can get a squad with monopose of which you can't really use 5 dudes.
Well atleast the squad has an Autocannon and PG.....
How do you even suggest something like this for a start collecting box.


just tell your opponent that the guys with chainswords are bolt gun users. I can't imagine there are many people who'd make a big deal out of it

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Do you have to order these Xmas boxes from GW or do other retailers stock them too?
   
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I swear we see that exact Tau one every year. Or am I crazy
   
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VAYASEN wrote:
Do you have to order these Xmas boxes from GW or do other retailers stock them too?


Typically these are stocked through 3rd parties as well, so you can make a further saving on the price by getting them from there. Popular boxes have been known to sell out. GW (far as I can tel) basically produces one big motherload of these kits and then sells them until the stock is gone.

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 fraser1191 wrote:
I swear we see that exact Tau one every year. Or am I crazy


No, Tau stuff just all looks the same. Last year IIRC there was a Pathfinder squad, a Ghostkeel, and I think a Piranha in there? it was Pathfinder-themed.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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Gathering the Informations.

the_scotsman wrote:
 fraser1191 wrote:
I swear we see that exact Tau one every year. Or am I crazy


No, Tau stuff just all looks the same. Last year IIRC there was a Pathfinder squad, a Ghostkeel, and I think a Piranha in there? it was Pathfinder-themed.

Pathfinder, Stealth Suits, Ghostkeel, Broadside, Devilfish, and Commander.
   
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 fraser1191 wrote:
I swear we see that exact Tau one every year. Or am I crazy


They swapped out the ghostkeel and broadside for crisis suits this year. everything else is the same I believe. Makes me wish I grabbed last years. It was better.
   
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VAYASEN wrote:
 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Pop over to the WHC website, they are up now.


Nice....one question...as a returning player, whats WHC? Searched but cant find, Warhammer...something?

Looked on normal GW site and nothing.


My bad. Dakka has a habit of using many many abbreviations.

WHC is Warhammer Community website.

Also, you will probably see:

RAI - rules as interpreted
RAW - rules as written
TAC - take all comers
WAAC - win at all costs

crop up frequently.

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Not sure if it is the same in other currancies , but somehow the new marine and chaos starter sets have fewer models, no books then the spear box, but cost more, where I live.

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 Elbows wrote:
These boxes this year are mostly turds...particularly when compared to the same options from a year or two ago. They've gak the bed with this year's Battle Forces.


No IG set?
   
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Is it normal for them to still not have announced prices or pre orders?

Going to grab the Tyranid box but not impressed with the others.
   
 
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