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Hard to think of where a new model could fit for 1ksons. Maybe a psychic dread? Thousand Son's problems are mostly the same as all Chaos Marines. They need a better trait, and then all chaos needs something to catch them up to the power of Doctrines and Super Doctrines. But Chaos hasn't gotten that so far. So my guess is Thousand Sons will get Warlord Traits, Doctrines, and Relics, but it won't be enough to let them be what they are supposed to be (Ie, Rubrics will still not be worth using as your core troops.)

If they got stuff more like they have in 30k rules, it'd be great. But then they'll be breaking the established pattern for Chaos so far.

Upgrade sprue?

Not Online!!! wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Rumour is that GK are going to get a TON from PA so we'll see.

I believe it - GW won't allow any Marine sub class, no matter how popular, to lag behind their OP brethren.

As for the release, I couldn't care less. Cloaked Marine or Egyptian themed Marine? Yawn.

Wanna bet on gk primaris?

GW already said this year that GK are not going to get primaris, and that they aren't planning any GK primaris. Considering that models seem to be designed years in advance, and rules need months to get writen and approved, I doubt we could see primaris GK before 2021 or even 2022.

And so as three power-armour factions prepare to duke it out, I pour myself a hefty cup of coffee lest these new levels of innovation render me comatose with excitement.

 vipoid wrote:
And so as three power-armour factions prepare to duke it out, I pour myself a hefty cup of coffee lest these new levels of innovation render me comatose with excitement.

Given the page counts devoted to (Marine) rules - it seems the lore writters had the same idea.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Rumour is that GK are going to get a TON from PA so we'll see.

I believe it - GW won't allow any Marine sub class, no matter how popular, to lag behind their OP brethren.

As for the release, I couldn't care less. Cloaked Marine or Egyptian themed Marine? Yawn.

Wanna bet on gk primaris?

Considering that Grey Knights basically use two model box for basically 80% of their unit roaster, releasing a Primaris version of both would basically allow a reboot of the entire line without a hitch. They just need bigger terminators and bigger power armors, bump their profile and there you go Primaris Grey Knight. I don't see why Grey Knights, who were supposed to be the very best Space Marines, would not get the gene enhancement and become, the weakest Space Marines.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Hard to think of where a new model could fit for 1ksons. Maybe a psychic dread? Thousand Son's problems are mostly the same as all Chaos Marines. They need a better trait, and then all chaos needs something to catch them up to the power of Doctrines and Super Doctrines. But Chaos hasn't gotten that so far. So my guess is Thousand Sons will get Warlord Traits, Doctrines, and Relics, but it won't be enough to let them be what they are supposed to be (Ie, Rubrics will still not be worth using as your core troops.)

If they got stuff more like they have in 30k rules, it'd be great. But then they'll be breaking the established pattern for Chaos so far.

This is incorrect. Chaos does not need caught up to the power of doctrines and super doctrines and neither does anyone else. The game is already too lethal, making it more lethal isn't going to help anything. Marine Codex 2.0 and friends need a full errata to bring them down to the level everyone else is at right now, not the other way around.

The Newman wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Hard to think of where a new model could fit for 1ksons. Maybe a psychic dread? Thousand Son's problems are mostly the same as all Chaos Marines. They need a better trait, and then all chaos needs something to catch them up to the power of Doctrines and Super Doctrines. But Chaos hasn't gotten that so far. So my guess is Thousand Sons will get Warlord Traits, Doctrines, and Relics, but it won't be enough to let them be what they are supposed to be (Ie, Rubrics will still not be worth using as your core troops.)

If they got stuff more like they have in 30k rules, it'd be great. But then they'll be breaking the established pattern for Chaos so far.

This is incorrect. Chaos does not need caught up to the power of doctrines and super doctrines and neither does anyone else. The game is already too lethal, making it more lethal isn't going to help anything. Marine Codex 2.0 and friends need a full errata to bring them down to the level everyone else is at right now, not the other way around.

Yeah but we know that isn't going to happen. Best we can hope for is for others to get more special rules, including defensive boosts.

Well since that's not going to happen as we work our way through "Campaign series: bringing all technicolour Marines up to that level"...

Not Online!!! wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Rumour is that GK are going to get a TON from PA so we'll see.

I believe it - GW won't allow any Marine sub class, no matter how popular, to lag behind their OP brethren.

As for the release, I couldn't care less. Cloaked Marine or Egyptian themed Marine? Yawn.

Wanna bet on gk primaris?

I'll take that bet

BrianDavion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Rumour is that GK are going to get a TON from PA so we'll see.

I believe it - GW won't allow any Marine sub class, no matter how popular, to lag behind their OP brethren.

As for the release, I couldn't care less. Cloaked Marine or Egyptian themed Marine? Yawn.

Wanna bet on gk primaris?

I'll take that bet

Bragging rights?

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
GK might get some new strategems or whatnot.
What they need is a real overhaul and such a book cannot achieve this as we have seem from the books released so far.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Rumour is that GK are going to get a TON from PA so we'll see.

I believe it - GW won't allow any Marine sub class, no matter how popular, to lag behind their OP brethren.

As for the release, I couldn't care less. Cloaked Marine or Egyptian themed Marine? Yawn.

GK have been lagging behind how many years now? Were they even good at 7th ed? 6th ed? At least in 5th ed they were briefly good.

tneva82 wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Rumour is that GK are going to get a TON from PA so we'll see.

I believe it - GW won't allow any Marine sub class, no matter how popular, to lag behind their OP brethren.

As for the release, I couldn't care less. Cloaked Marine or Egyptian themed Marine? Yawn.

GK have been lagging behind how many years now? Were they even good at 7th ed? 6th ed? At least in 5th ed they were briefly good.

Shudders in 5th ed PTSD.

The Attack of the WARDIANS!!!!

You can complain about the overall balance, but I felt that 5th edition armies had a lot of flavour and customisation in their books. It was definitely a step up from the likes of Chaos 4th edition.

Just as 3.5 has doomed us, GK and Nob Bikers must pay their decades long penance for their time in the sun. Eldar somehow avoid this with their prescience.

The Newman wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Hard to think of where a new model could fit for 1ksons. Maybe a psychic dread? Thousand Son's problems are mostly the same as all Chaos Marines. They need a better trait, and then all chaos needs something to catch them up to the power of Doctrines and Super Doctrines. But Chaos hasn't gotten that so far. So my guess is Thousand Sons will get Warlord Traits, Doctrines, and Relics, but it won't be enough to let them be what they are supposed to be (Ie, Rubrics will still not be worth using as your core troops.)

If they got stuff more like they have in 30k rules, it'd be great. But then they'll be breaking the established pattern for Chaos so far.

This is incorrect. Chaos does not need caught up to the power of doctrines and super doctrines and neither does anyone else. The game is already too lethal, making it more lethal isn't going to help anything. Marine Codex 2.0 and friends need a full errata to bring them down to the level everyone else is at right now, not the other way around.

Yeah and I'm sure pigs fly any moment soon now.

tneva82 wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Rumour is that GK are going to get a TON from PA so we'll see.

I believe it - GW won't allow any Marine sub class, no matter how popular, to lag behind their OP brethren.

As for the release, I couldn't care less. Cloaked Marine or Egyptian themed Marine? Yawn.

GK have been lagging behind how many years now? Were they even good at 7th ed? 6th ed? At least in 5th ed they were briefly good.

Lagging behind is maybe not the right notion.
Its a small elite army and it always has been.
It requires a capable general to obtain good results.
I'm not complaining much about the elite state.
I'm more concerned about the pt costs say of the GKSS, 21 pts before, when compared with Primaris, 17 pts.

Not Online!!! wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Rumour is that GK are going to get a TON from PA so we'll see.

I believe it - GW won't allow any Marine sub class, no matter how popular, to lag behind their OP brethren.

As for the release, I couldn't care less. Cloaked Marine or Egyptian themed Marine? Yawn.

Wanna bet on gk primaris?

I'll take that bet

Bragging rights?

well if you want, could make it intreasting. loser has to put "*winnner's name* was right" in their sig for a month

Dunno, honestly it could be anything, considering GK are loyalists and the theme sofar for PA was loyalists get more out of it then not-loyalists and or xenos, it could quite possibly be anything.

Hopefully it is SOMETHING, decent enough to make GK see a battlefield once a blue moon again, not like what they did with other armies.

Otoh, it is GW; watch them throwing established design overboard and TS getting basically a second wave whilest SW and GK get nothing, except another Wolf Wolf Wolf thingy, this time a particularry harry Primaris?

 wuestenfux wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Rumour is that GK are going to get a TON from PA so we'll see.

I believe it - GW won't allow any Marine sub class, no matter how popular, to lag behind their OP brethren.

As for the release, I couldn't care less. Cloaked Marine or Egyptian themed Marine? Yawn.

GK have been lagging behind how many years now? Were they even good at 7th ed? 6th ed? At least in 5th ed they were briefly good.

Lagging behind is maybe not the right notion.
Its a small elite army and it always has been.
It requires a capable general to obtain good results.
I'm not complaining much about the elite state.
I'm more concerned about the pt costs say of the GKSS, 21 pts before, when compared with Primaris, 17 pts.

That "requires capable general" bs is just bs excuse. The GK's are just plain bad. They are so bad that the index orks felt terribly sorry for them while crunching over them to victory(GK's were about only army index orks could beat in straight killing and not just on objectives...)

After a few good books, GW often decides it is time to streamline and balance the game out.

yeah I doubt it'll be primaris grey knights mostly because I just suspect it's too soon for a new primaris wave, my gut feeling is it'll be the standard supplement level material we've been getting in most of the books so far. I mean so far EVERY army has gotten some new relics, strats and warlord traits ohh and most importantly a random name generator! can't forget that (Eldar and Dark Eldar unfortunatly share those via Ynnari and doesn't really count I agree, but I can see someone at GW thinking it does)

I've heard no rumours of new models for GK. The 'ton' of stuff I mentioned earlier were rules and a boost in power.

The marine meta wouldn't be complete without every snowflake chapter/sub-faction of marine getting the OP treatment now, would it?

BT weren't made OP, so the circle is already broken.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I've heard no rumours of new models for GK. The 'ton' of stuff I mentioned earlier were rules and a boost in power.

The marine meta wouldn't be complete without every snowflake chapter/sub-faction of marine getting the OP treatment now, would it?

Now will you still be as salty when the GK rules amendments still suck compared to everyone else, or will it be "oh well GK aren't codex marines"?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I've heard no rumours of new models for GK. The 'ton' of stuff I mentioned earlier were rules and a boost in power.

The marine meta wouldn't be complete without every snowflake chapter/sub-faction of marine getting the OP treatment now, would it?

Same OP treatment they have been getting for 3 editions in a row?

If so please spare my armies of this OP treatment.

Dudeface wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I've heard no rumours of new models for GK. The 'ton' of stuff I mentioned earlier were rules and a boost in power.

The marine meta wouldn't be complete without every snowflake chapter/sub-faction of marine getting the OP treatment now, would it?

Now will you still be as salty when the GK rules amendments still suck compared to everyone else, or will it be "oh well GK aren't codex marines"?

Salty? You misunderstand me. I'm bored to the point of apathy now. My response will be the same regardless - 'I don't care because I don't know anyone who plays the faction and I couldn't care less for the most Mary Sue of Mary Sues myself, so I'll never be buying them'.


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tneva82 wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I've heard no rumours of new models for GK. The 'ton' of stuff I mentioned earlier were rules and a boost in power.

The marine meta wouldn't be complete without every snowflake chapter/sub-faction of marine getting the OP treatment now, would it?

Same OP treatment they have been getting for 3 editions in a row?

If so please spare my armies of this OP treatment.

What are you talking about? Try to keep up - we're discussing current releases and the current meta. Past editions have nothing to do with it.

The one thing that seems certain is that DA will get a full supplement treatment while GK and TS get scraps.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:

The Newman wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Hard to think of where a new model could fit for 1ksons. Maybe a psychic dread? Thousand Son's problems are mostly the same as all Chaos Marines. They need a better trait, and then all chaos needs something to catch them up to the power of Doctrines and Super Doctrines. But Chaos hasn't gotten that so far. So my guess is Thousand Sons will get Warlord Traits, Doctrines, and Relics, but it won't be enough to let them be what they are supposed to be (Ie, Rubrics will still not be worth using as your core troops.)

If they got stuff more like they have in 30k rules, it'd be great. But then they'll be breaking the established pattern for Chaos so far.

This is incorrect. Chaos does not need caught up to the power of doctrines and super doctrines and neither does anyone else. The game is already too lethal, making it more lethal isn't going to help anything. Marine Codex 2.0 and friends need a full errata to bring them down to the level everyone else is at right now, not the other way around.

Yeah but we know that isn't going to happen. Best we can hope for is for others to get more special rules, including defensive boosts.

tneva82 wrote:
Yeah and I'm sure pigs fly any moment soon now.

At least you both acknowledged that I'm right.