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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/08 23:47:39
Subject: Why does Chaos seem to be a almost uniquely Imperium problem?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Makes sense to me. And its not breaking any "rules" in the lore.
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Tyranid fanboy.
Been around since 3rd edition. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/09 00:01:01
Subject: Why does Chaos seem to be a almost uniquely Imperium problem?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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pm713 wrote: Andersp90 wrote:
No, not the tau themselves. The psychic races that serve them have created one (those of them that believe in the greater good). A twisted reflection of their belief.
Either way it's dumb. And it's tied to the Tau enough to make a bunch of them decide to start massive team killing and break some of them mentally so I think it counts as a Tau god.
If you’re talking about the 4th sphere, the tau killed the auxiliaries that we’re possessed by the lesser demons of the warp. Imagine the rogue trader gellerpox mutants except all at once and it hit every non-tau. The pseudo greater good god was the one that saved the fleet, it had nothing to do with the killing.
Plus, the tau commander of the fleet thought it looked more human, which implies that it was created by humans. The tau themselves can’t make a god and they don’t want to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/09 00:06:23
Subject: Why does Chaos seem to be a almost uniquely Imperium problem?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Andersp90 wrote:
Makes sense to me. And its not breaking any "rules" in the lore.
Apart from sense. Every other god takes millennia to come into existence in a way that allows them to act except for some reason the Tau version. And the Emperor but he's a gestalt of psykers and that blurs the line a bit.
If I thought for a second that GW would try something interesting here like it being another god pretending to be tied to the Tau in some way then I'd be happy but GW's idea of subtlety is to use a normal hammer instead of a sledgehammer. Automatically Appended Next Post: Dandelion wrote:pm713 wrote: Andersp90 wrote:
No, not the tau themselves. The psychic races that serve them have created one (those of them that believe in the greater good). A twisted reflection of their belief.
Either way it's dumb. And it's tied to the Tau enough to make a bunch of them decide to start massive team killing and break some of them mentally so I think it counts as a Tau god.
If you’re talking about the 4th sphere, the tau killed the auxiliaries that we’re possessed by the lesser demons of the warp. Imagine the rogue trader gellerpox mutants except all at once and it hit every non-tau. The pseudo greater good god was the one that saved the fleet, it had nothing to do with the killing.
Plus, the tau commander of the fleet thought it looked more human, which implies that it was created by humans. The tau themselves can’t make a god and they don’t want to.
The auxillaries in the Warp were just killed by the demons, the greater good god turned up to save what was left and since then the Tau who were there have been noted to kill their own auxiliaries and a significant amount of them are traumatised.
Tau aren't blanks, they still influence the Warp just not by much and humans aren't so psychic they make up the difference especially considering that even ones in the Tau empire still get to worship the Big E. Either GW has decided to resume changing canon in a way that's clear as mud or the Tau are more involved than you say.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/09 01:00:43
Subject: Why does Chaos seem to be a almost uniquely Imperium problem?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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pm713 wrote:
Apart from sense. Every other god takes millennia to come into existence in a way that allows them to act except for some reason the Tau version. And the Emperor but he's a gestalt of psykers and that blurs the line a bit.
If I thought for a second that GW would try something interesting here like it being another god pretending to be tied to the Tau in some way then I'd be happy but GW's idea of subtlety is to use a normal hammer instead of a sledgehammer.
I quite like it. It shows that even the tau are not safe from the predations of chaos, being put in danger by the very beliefs they force onto other races. I think its very clever.
Also, we dont know what it is for sure. It could just be an avatar - like the yncarne - of a still slumbering god. Or a tiny warp entity. Time will tell.
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Tyranid fanboy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/09 01:43:16
Subject: Why does Chaos seem to be a almost uniquely Imperium problem?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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pm713 wrote:
The auxillaries in the Warp were just killed by the demons, the greater good god turned up to save what was left and since then the Tau who were there have been noted to kill their own auxiliaries and a significant amount of them are traumatised.
Tau aren't blanks, they still influence the Warp just not by much and humans aren't so psychic they make up the difference especially considering that even ones in the Tau empire still get to worship the Big E. Either GW has decided to resume changing canon in a way that's clear as mud or the Tau are more involved than you say.
What I read showed that the auxiliaries were possessed, and the tau troops put them down. They were traumatized because their allies just turned into giant murder beasts and tried to kill them. The tau then spent a long time floating in the warp, seeing demonic images appear inside and out of their ships, until a humanoid tau hybrid demon appeared and opened a hole in the warp to let them out. The demon/god both comforted and repulsed the tau because it was a twisted version of their ideals.
The thing is, the tau don’t worship the greater good. It’s a philosophy. They wouldn’t and couldn’t create a warp deity with their worship because it goes against their beliefs. Humans on the other hand, who are used to worshipping the emperor, would have a tendency to venerate the greater good as something sort of divine. The fact that the god looked human to the tau observers strongly implies that it was humans who created it with their twisted vision of the greater good.
You’re also assuming that all humans in the tau empire still worship the emperor. They don’t, at least not all or even most. The tau allow humans to worship the emperor if they choose, but they are encouraged to embrace the greater good, and many, if not most, do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/09 10:20:57
Subject: Why does Chaos seem to be a almost uniquely Imperium problem?
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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In-universe their very weak psychic signatures and link to the warp have them pass almost unnotices to chaos.
On the design side, the tau are pretty much the only ones who are spared by choas because a prevailing element in their fluff was how naive they are, which couldn't last long once faced with the mind-warping horrors of chaos. Apart from a few skirmishes, Chaos didn't actullay threatened them and more importantly they do not suffer themselves from its corruption as does the imperium if man (although i remember in the 6th chaos codex thay there's a story proving that their slaves and auxialiaries do).
But now in newer lore they too are experiencing trouble because of chaos, so now pretty much every is either potentially falling prey to it or at the very least frowning at their warbands messing their interests up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/09 11:09:52
Subject: Why does Chaos seem to be a almost uniquely Imperium problem?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Orks can and do fall to Chaos.
It's rarer but it does happen.
Weirdboys have inadvertently summoned Daemons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/09 15:40:09
Subject: Why does Chaos seem to be a almost uniquely Imperium problem?
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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How to not love the orks?
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40k: Necrons/Imperial Guard/ Space marines
Bolt Action: Germany/ USA
Project Z.
"The Dakka Dive Bar is the only place you'll hear what's really going on in the underhive. Sure you might not find a good amasec but they grill a mean groxburger. Just watch for ratlings being thrown through windows and you'll be alright." Ciaphas Cain, probably. |
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