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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
keep in mind that "thousands of lives lost.. all to advance ten feet" isn't exactly a unknown thing in war. hell that pretty much sums up WW1

Um yeah. And look you just told that in 2 lines! Lost and the Damned needed 300 pages and $20!

sure, except these aren't dry sourcebooks, they're NOVELS. that thing that took me two sentences to say? has spawned TONS of lengthly media about it.

from novels such as All quiet on the westren front. To Poems such as "Flander's Fields" to video games (battlefield 1) etc.

sounds to me like you don't want a novel and instead want a sourcebook. which.... is fine, but don't pick up a novel and expect that. a novel tells a story, and sometimes those days of countless battle and blood being shed all for ten feet? makes a GOOD story. (I devoured "All quiet" back when I read it, for example)

There’s 8 books in the main series if I remember correctly. It looks like they are already throwing side story books in as McNeill isn’t one of the 6 initially selected authors for the main story.

Yes, 8 novels and a few side-novellas. 6 Authors, so we know that at probably two of them are writing two books. One is likely Abnett, (as we're all expecting him to finish it and he's doing a book, "Saturnine", this year as well) and we dont' know the other, though odds are it's one of the ones who've already finished a book, so French, Thorpe, or Haley.

I'm still reading the book (about half-way) and my instinctive reaction to the stated part in the OP was Magnus, though I now see how that doesn't quite fit.

It could totally be the Lion. He was apperantly planned to to join the Traitors but Chaos couldnt turn him, even though theyve been close. I mean, sure, hes almost killed Russ, Guilliman and even freaking Sanguinius but thats due to his emotions, not something evil.

Keep in mind Caliban was close to the Eye and was basically a half-daemon world where the Warp's influence was really powerful, but even as a child Lion wouldnt be swayed by the Chaos Gods. He is totally loyal to the Emperor, more so than to the Imperium I would say

Edit: Wait, actually, I dont think Lion was briefed about Chaos, otherwise I would think its him. So yeah, nevermind

123ply wrote:
It could totally be the Lion. He was apperantly planned to to join the Traitors but Chaos couldnt turn him, even though theyve been close. I mean, sure, hes almost killed Russ, Guilliman and even freaking Sanguinius but thats due to his emotions, not something evil.

Emotions are part and parcel of chaos

BrianDavion wrote:

123ply wrote:
It could totally be the Lion. He was apperantly planned to to join the Traitors but Chaos couldnt turn him, even though theyve been close. I mean, sure, hes almost killed Russ, Guilliman and even freaking Sanguinius but thats due to his emotions, not something evil.

Emotions are part and parcel of chaos

No chaos ARE emotions. It's what feeds them. So the Lion giving into his emotions against his brothers is pretty similar to what the other traitor primarchs did.

Oops did I say "other"?

So if:
- a Primarch was resistant
- a Primarch was briefed

wouldn't it make sense from a storytelling POV to pick a Primarch who:

- isn't fleshed out too much to add these things to him
- is maybe not available at the heresy and/or afterwards

Currently my bet is on one of the lost Primarchs. He could be lost against xenos, so Powers against chaos won't save him. Plus, the Imperium in its xenophobic ways because "old night" would have seen such a loss as a point why they are right to purge the xeno. The Emperor lost a tool, his support of a Galaxy of Humans increasing because its obvious the future depends on less interference, maybe? Kick the third party out of the game.. cleanse the memory of failures ( lost legions ) start again with the still available tools and go for a different end of the "great game" ?

-> Primarch resistant to chaos, -> briefed about chaos, -> lost against xenos ( which may had help from chaos...) -> xenos purged to remove the Problem -> memory erased of : geneseed failure? ( lost legion ) and KIA Legion ? ( lost legion ) to keep the other 18 Legions on track? 2 Flies at once? -> xenos replaced by humans to remove threats and to claim more of the Galactic Map ( playfield ? ) for the Emperor/IoM ? -> taking the risk of losing Legions to chaos because the possible gain outweighs the losses? -> planning for aeons not centuries...

 Dantioch wrote:
They have said that the series will be eight books long from start to finish, with some tie in novellas and short stories with little bearing on the main events. Dan Abnett is writing the final book in the series, as it should be.

It's gonna be so funny when Abnett spends as much time on the Emperor-Horus duel as he did on the Russ-Magnus duel.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Dantioch wrote:
They have said that the series will be eight books long from start to finish, with some tie in novellas and short stories with little bearing on the main events. Dan Abnett is writing the final book in the series, as it should be.

It's gonna be so funny when Abnett spends as much time on the Emperor-Horus duel as he did on the Russ-Magnus duel.

honestly.... I'm fine with that. I'm more intreasted in the events surrounding it, the emotions at play etc. we know Horus and the emoperor fight, we know Horus loses after crippling the emperor. the actual FIGHTING thus is gonna be "eh whatever" the tension (this gets back to story vs sourcebook I mentioned earlier) is going to be the emotions of the parties involved, how it impacts those around them etc.
A lot of the time fight scenes in novels are.... honestly kinda dull. there's only so many ways you can describe a space marine hacking guys with his chainsword and shooting them with his boltgun

Vulkan seems to be the most logical choice, as he was kept a secret from the other Primarchs after being discovered by the Emperor for some extended period of time for mysterious reasons. At first, as told in "Mercy of the Dragon", Vulkan declined the Emperor's offer to lead the 18th Legion/Salamanders in, saying that he was just a son of a blacksmith, that he didn't want to be a conquerer or general like his fellow Primarch brethren. That being said, he had no aspirations to be powerful. He went through systematic torturing by Konrad Curze, vowing to never turn to Chaos. He's the most compassionate, level-headed Primarch out there.

magnus the red was already sentient when he was still in the test tube and already knew about the warp. i think the passage was referring to him

Sauce?

My money’s on a lost Primarch.