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@Hulksmash
It's straightforward, actually. Just say that no GT or Major between now and the end of August will count for any points in the ITC rankings. Basically, de-incentivize attendance and organization of large events.

They have canceled, see the N&R thread discussing the announcement here:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/786371.page

Yup, IL banned events of 1k or more and suggested cancellation of anything over 250.

The 30k / Horus Heresy guys are pretty crushed . Had to be done with the state guidelines, but all that work! Wish there was a way to "remote" hold it, but that's wargaming (at least where painting/modeling is involved)... it's in-person or nothing.

Yeah, my TT buddies from all over are sad. Especially the ones like me that painted up the full team army

Ugh! I didn't even think of the team tourney prep... what a bummer! You can hopefully use it for next year, right...?

 Suzuteo wrote:
@Hulksmash
It's straightforward, actually. Just say that no GT or Major between now and the end of August will count for any points in the ITC rankings. Basically, de-incentivize attendance and organization of large events.

What that de-incentivizes is usage of ITC for that period and likely from that point on for the events that go forward ignoring the moratorium. Players that want to attend will still attend regardless of losing out on points(which they wouldn't get be not playing anyway) and those that wouldn't attend probably wouldn't have attended because of Covid-19 fear regardless of whether it's ITC supported or not. Either way, it's professional suicide for ITC to just ignore and bully events that happen when that decision should be made by higher authorities or the event organizers.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Suzuteo wrote:
@Hulksmash
It's straightforward, actually. Just say that no GT or Major between now and the end of August will count for any points in the ITC rankings. Basically, de-incentivize attendance and organization of large events.

What that de-incentivizes is usage of ITC for that period and likely from that point on for the events that go forward ignoring the moratorium. Players that want to attend will still attend regardless of losing out on points(which they wouldn't get be not playing anyway) and those that wouldn't attend probably wouldn't have attended because of Covid-19 fear regardless of whether it's ITC supported or not. Either way, it's professional suicide for ITC to just ignore and bully events that happen when that decision should be made by higher authorities or the event organizers.

This guy gets what i was saying

I really don't see how this is the ITC bullying anyone, nor is it unjustified that they do something within their power to discourage social gathering. I mean, seriously, inaction and silence can kill people.

Expected turn of events.

And yeah lol at "ITC bullying". If people go to tournaments anyway they don't mind about ITC points now do they?

ITC tournaments going on is quite a luxury and wouldn't be surprising if quite a many would get banned and cancelled as well. And in that sense if ITC try hard wannabe sport guys are actually interested in "fair competition" they would need to stop points anyway for sake of fairness if some tournaments gets banned and some don't. Distortion of competition and all that.

 Suzuteo wrote:
I really don't see how this is the ITC bullying anyone, nor is it unjustified that they do something within their power to discourage social gathering. I mean, seriously, inaction and silence can kill people.

An organization using their social standing to dictate what someone does or doesn't do is most definitely bullying, especially since their e-peen points is literally the only power they have.

An infection spreading across the globe and some people's main concern is that it could be bullying...
Methinks a dosage of reality and fewer tinfoil hats are needed.

Yes, because we're entirely saying that's the main concern.

Methinks someone needs to try using actual reading comprehension instead of trying to sound pitht.

Just going to say; I have 3 people in my close family (mother, father-in-law, and wife's godmother who is the only family for 400km/250miles other than her parents) that fall under the category of "they will likely die if exposed to this virus". One with cancer and over 60, one with cancer and over 80, and one with heart disease and nearly 80. The "most people get better" thing is absolutely true, and absolutely besides the point. The people that are vulnerable are NOT part of the "most people get better" group. They are part of the "lots of these people die or are incredibly seriously hospitalized" group.

I am lucky to be in Canada where we are taking this thing seriously. 1 case, no deaths in my city, and the city is practically starting to shut down with cancellations, people being instructed to work from home, and everyone seems to be taking things very seriously. I am recommending to our local TO's that they plan on shutting down the event planned for in the next month, and they should plan on shutting down the event planned for in June.

Remember, this virus hits like a tidal wave. Whatever the number of confirmed cases are in your area, the true number of "hidden" cases is likely 27 times that number, which is where you can expect to be 1 week later. If the number is less, the actions your area is taking is working. If the number is more, brace for the G-forces you are about to experience.

 Yarium wrote:
The "most people get better" thing is absolutely true, and absolutely besides the point. The people that are vulnerable are NOT part of the "most people get better" group.

I never understood that argument. They would still be people who are dead, but shouldn't be. It's like people lack empathy or something.

I hope your relatives can weather this storm ok.

I never understood that argument. They would still be people who are dead, but shouldn't be. It's like people lack empathy or something.

A lot of people follow the "only the strong survive" philosophy, and you can see it in comments all across the internet every day.

I don't think its that cruel or cynical. The realities of death are both constant and rare. For most people it isn't "real". They're aware of it, they've probably experienced some measure of it, and might know a friend who lost a parent or may have even lost a grandparent that they only see every other year.

The death of someone close enough to affect your daily life is different though and something people enjoy a willful ignorance of until they have to face it head on. Empathy requires a degree of shared experience and the lack of empathy is often simply a lack of experience required to really understand how much loss can upend daily life. It's not that people don't care. It's just that their minds don't really understand; not REALLY.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Suzuteo wrote:
I really don't see how this is the ITC bullying anyone, nor is it unjustified that they do something within their power to discourage social gathering. I mean, seriously, inaction and silence can kill people.

An organization using their social standing to dictate what someone does or doesn't do is most definitely bullying, especially since their e-peen points is literally the only power they have.

No, it's not. They're not doing this out of malice or self-interest in any way. I have no idea how you could consider this bullying. All ITC would be doing is removing the pressure and temptation for the people who actually care about these points. And yes, I know that many people do not, but competitive play would not exist if nobody cared at all.

And yes, it is the only power they have. That is why I suggested it. Heaven forbid that they do the only thing that they can do during a crisis that affects a large swath of our community.

Hmmm, it is a tricky situation. Some people probably would view a cancellation of events as a way to get more points for themselves, and disregard warnings. I don't envy anyone in a position to make decisions about these things.

The best case would be if all of the local authorities where the events take place were competent and banned events if it was medically needed. However, that is a bit of an idealistic view I guess.

Definitely tricky.

 Suzuteo wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Suzuteo wrote:
I really don't see how this is the ITC bullying anyone, nor is it unjustified that they do something within their power to discourage social gathering. I mean, seriously, inaction and silence can kill people.

An organization using their social standing to dictate what someone does or doesn't do is most definitely bullying, especially since their e-peen points is literally the only power they have.

No, it's not. They're not doing this out of malice or self-interest in any way. I have no idea how you could consider this bullying. All ITC would be doing is removing the pressure and temptation for the people who actually care about these points. And yes, I know that many people do not, but competitive play would not exist if nobody cared at all.

And yes, it is the only power they have. That is why I suggested it. Heaven forbid that they do the only thing that they can do during a crisis that affects a large swath of our community.

Using your social standing and influence to try and affect what people do or don't do in a way that affects the potential livelihood of others is a known intimidation tactic. Intimidation is bullying.

So according to you cities forcing large event cancellations are already bullies...

I don't see how removing the carrot that would tempt point hungry morons from spreading a virus that could kill the medically compromised is a bullying tactic. They can still go whether the ITC gives them their imaginary bag of gold or not.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Suzuteo wrote:
I really don't see how this is the ITC bullying anyone, nor is it unjustified that they do something within their power to discourage social gathering. I mean, seriously, inaction and silence can kill people.

An organization using their social standing to dictate what someone does or doesn't do is most definitely bullying, especially since their e-peen points is literally the only power they have.

What special requirement itc has that they must keep track of virtual points? They are private organization. Itc points aren"t something laws demand must be kept. They can track or not at their decision. You have no right to demand they track

If using their position as tournament circuit organizers to discourage people from prioritizing a fething toy soldier game over a literal worldwide epidemic would be 'bullying', then I guess bullying is completely justified in some situations.

To some, any form of governance is unconscionable. We aren't well-served by listening to them, either.

Thanks to Shelter-In-Place all local tourneys have been canceled. Unfortunately, its also a misdemenor charge to keep the game stores in business so they've all shut down and furloughed thier staff. Rough times ahead for FLGS.

Some people have been buying gifts cards to use when the FLGS comes back, I thought it was an interesting way to show support during this crazy time

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Suzuteo wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Suzuteo wrote:
I really don't see how this is the ITC bullying anyone, nor is it unjustified that they do something within their power to discourage social gathering. I mean, seriously, inaction and silence can kill people.

An organization using their social standing to dictate what someone does or doesn't do is most definitely bullying, especially since their e-peen points is literally the only power they have.

No, it's not. They're not doing this out of malice or self-interest in any way. I have no idea how you could consider this bullying. All ITC would be doing is removing the pressure and temptation for the people who actually care about these points. And yes, I know that many people do not, but competitive play would not exist if nobody cared at all.

And yes, it is the only power they have. That is why I suggested it. Heaven forbid that they do the only thing that they can do during a crisis that affects a large swath of our community.

Using your social standing and influence to try and affect what people do or don't do in a way that affects the potential livelihood of others is a known intimidation tactic. Intimidation is bullying.

There's another word for it. Leadership. It's their software, their business. If someone was using my software in a way that was causing deaths, you can bet that I'd pull it in an instant.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
Thanks to Shelter-In-Place all local tourneys have been canceled. Unfortunately, its also a misdemenor charge to keep the game stores in business so they've all shut down and furloughed thier staff. Rough times ahead for FLGS.

Would you care to elaborate on this? Which state?

 auticus wrote:

I never understood that argument. They would still be people who are dead, but shouldn't be. It's like people lack empathy or something.

A lot of people follow the "only the strong survive" philosophy, and you can see it in comments all across the internet every day.

Quite. Most of the time, they believe they are part of the strong. Until it happens to them.

Thing is, with this pandemic, I believe a lot of people don't realize the real danger here. So unless it really touches them directly, they are ready to think it's not as bad as they are told. Until it happens to them, when it's too late.

There is still a lot of misinformation spreading around. It's not that surprising, honestly. But well, it's a virus we're talking about here. It doesn't care about human politics or beliefs. It will happen, no matter what you think is right. So better cancel those tournaments so that there are more chances to limit its spread.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
Thanks to Shelter-In-Place all local tourneys have been canceled. Unfortunately, its also a misdemenor charge to keep the game stores in business so they've all shut down and furloughed thier staff. Rough times ahead for FLGS.

Some people have been buying gifts cards to use when the FLGS comes back, I thought it was an interesting way to show support during this crazy time

Here at least FLGS can stay open. Gaming area closed but people can come in and buy normally. Seeing gaming area was free it mostly hits on impulse purchases while going to play.

All of my March and April events have been cancelled in accordance with state restrictions. I'm hoping the GT in May isn't affected. Also, hopefully this doesn't affect Gencon.