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I have to recommend a Slaves to Darkness Daemon Prince of Khorne. Give him the sword of judgement from Ulgu. Hes just invaluable. He deletes giant monsters with his 5 attacks from the sword (You'll have it in range of the bloodsecrator of course) triggering 1d6 mortal wounds on 5+ (or 4+ with +1 to hit from slaugtherpriest) and 6 being 1d6+2 mortal wounds. And always fights first.

But your friend wants it for his PHENOMENAL command hability. With Khorne you need (Not want, NEED) to be making the charges and decide the fights, or you'll be destroyed because Khorne can't take a punch.

I can't count the number of games my demon prince has gaven me with that hability. You need to pay more attention to your's opponent units movement than your owns but many players have found themselves unable to follow their plan because they just can't move and reach me, making them chose: Move and let me decide the charges and the fights, or just stay were they are and let me take table and objetives.


@Nith Yeah, I know. Thanks for the advice. I have really improved my level of play (I mean, is more about changing my lists, I still love my minotaurs and have a ton of them but I play other kind of lists. Still no bloothirster spam. I mean I love them but is just not my thing, I prefer to try and innovate). But as I said, if you are playing a casual khorne lists agaisnt a casual ironjawz list you'll just feel like are playing a worse version of the same army.

I concede that point; casual khorne is generally inferior to casual Ironjawz.

Late and I won't go into more to avoid clutter but yes, there are legit people who take Honest Wargamer as gospel that "the game is balanced" and will tout the "variety" you see at whatever tournaments going on. It's pretty common to see "look at X stats on The Honest Wargamer and see how many factions are there!" sort of replies while patting everyone and GW on the back for making such a great game.

Look around the world and all the incredibly inane things vast amounts of people believe based on faulty or no evidence. Believing AoS is balanced because of Honest Wargamer stats is far from the worst

Its also because "balanced" means different things to different people.

We know what my definition is.

However another person's definition may be "as long as in tournaments there are more than 3 armies present, the game is balanced" and to another person it may be "as long as both myself and my opponent had fun and drank beer and threw dice and laughed, its balanced".

I'll post further updates as they come, not sure when I'll get in the next game.

That said, as a side idea, I've suggested to my group that I play a game using Khorne against someone else using my orruks.

Taking the last few games into account I'm thinking of running:

Slaughterhost- Skullfiend tribe.

General- Bloodsecrator W/ Talisman of burning blood & Banner of Blood.

Bloodmaster on foot

Tyrants of blood-
-Insensate Rage
-Insensate Rage
-Insensate Rage

2*60 bloodletters

3*10 blood reavers

Bleeding Icon

Player doesn't own blood warriors or anymore letters.

Basic idea is to use reavers as nets to catch any charges aimed at my valuable units, while I close distance with the bloodletter murderball and the bloodthirsters.

Preferably summoning units of bloodletters with blood tithe points but if necessary I'll pull the buff prayers to keep my dudes alive long enough to crunch up the brunt of the ironjawz, and hope that positioning and attrition will keep me in the objective game long enough to pull a W.

You want to "de-power" Ironjawz but then want to play Khorne and run 3 Bloodthirsters??

That's what he's been playing against as Ironjawz, and been stomping the other player hard. Except it seems the other player wasn't using the Tyrants of Blood batallion, which massively improves the bloodthirsters effectiveness.

He's not starting a new army, he's doing a match where he swaps armies with the other players that can't beat him, and see if it's truly problem of the armies.

Ohhh okay sorry I misunderstood!

Maybe slightly unrelated question, but how often does it happen that armies in AoS get fixed, by taking of 3 or more of the big demon kits? is normal infantry that much less useful then 3 bloodthirsters or 3 great unclean ones?

Typically yes. Additionally its “more fun” to not have to hobby and paint a bunch if boring rank and file. Why collect 40 models when you can do 10 and 3 greater demons.

It depends tbh. Theres armies were the big beast are the most competitive unit, in others not so much. In the case of Ironjawz for example Mawcrusha are phenomenal pero really good good lists don't even use them, maybe one.

In Khorne you can make lists work without bloodthirsters. Ogres for example, have also have tops on tournaments with lists based around your typical ogre core, or even Underguts , even if the ones with Stonehorns are also good.

A low model count, giant monster list is certainly one way to play. And it definitely gets your force on the table faster build/paint wise.
After that it's benefits are debatable, dependent upon the faction being built, & further depending upon the big thing being spammed if there's options (Gitz for example have Mangler Squigs, huge spiders whose name I never spell right, & Gargants (giants) - these 3 things are not equal.). And of course who/what your playing it against....

As for 13 models vs 40 "boring" rank & file? Again, depends. In my Gitz force 40 Squig Riders (two varieties) will do alot more than 40 goblins with spears. Hell, they'll do more, overall, than my Mangler squigs (and they're cheap enough that I'll still have the Manglers ) - they just won't do it as spectacularly.

Giant monsters aren't inherently better in AoS, Bloodthirsters are simply too few points for what they do.

Unfortunately, a global pandemic has put a little bit of a pin in the testing process, still trying to nail down a game with Khorne player, who has developed a sudden desire to play Flames of War instead. Instead I'll be having a game with another friend, will most likely be switching armies but I'll post a mini bat-rep anyway because this website doesn't have enough of those I'm sure.


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So! Unfortunately, Ironjawz was not tested tonight, but I did glean a bit of context for the skill levels of the group.

I ended up piloting what I was told by Anvilgard player was his mediocre Gloomspite list:

Snagrott** (whatever named general is called.) (Call da moon)
Loonboss on Mangler (hand of gork)
Loonboss on foot.
Fungoid Cave Shaman
10 boingrot bounders
2*60 stabbas
40 shootas
5 fanatics

(This was pretty much everything the dude had outside of some endless spells and 3 rockgut.)


Against Kharadron Overlords player running:

Tempest's Eye-
2* Runesmith
20 Irondrakes
20 Longbeards
Steam Tank
5 pistoliers
An ironclad
And 10 Grundstock Thunderers

Game type was Starfall.

I'm given first turn, run everything up the board, I hand of gork a unit of stabbas up and throw them in front of my line to block his pistoliers, deny area for Fly High and to deploy fanatics if he gets close.

OPP turn I lose my entire left flank, (boingrots, fungoid and loonboss on squig) to the ironclad + thunderers, and about 30 meatshield stabbas to irondrake shooting.

OPP gets double turn, OBJ1 appears inside my backline stabba blob. Steam tank and iroronclad chew through stabbas and shootas. Meatshield unit dies after dropping fanatics to a charge from longbeards.

Second unit of stabbas + fanatics munches longbeards, Skarsnik** kills the general runesmith. Stabbas respawns near terrain piece.

I get double turn 3, claim the OBJ in my territory with shootas and respawned Stabba unit and prepare to get shot to kingdom come. Finish chewing longbeards, prepare to get shot to kingdom come by the irondrakes. OBJ in opponent's territory appears on top of Irondrakes.

OPP cooks swathes of stqbas, ironclad wipes shootas off my objective, almost kills Grom the Paunch** and concedes at end of the turn to an objective points deficit.

Overall it was a really fun game, if painful in the failed armour saves and shooting rolls department, but I know I likely had fantastic luck to balance out the gak so I don't think my luck was ultimately terrible. Playing an army where I'm not getting passive aggressive complaints about being OP was nice. Losing two heroes with fun Once Per Battles before being able to use them was a feelsbad learning experience.


Highlight of the battle was definitely a single goblin shoota boss poking his head out of cover, after all his mates got scythed down by thunderers. Screaming like a lunatic at the enormous battleship looming above and raising a mighty middle finger as he was turned to red mist from salvo after salvo of broadside batteries.

Edits. So many missed autocorrect shenanigans. BROADSIDE IS A WORD. STOP CORRECTING ME EMPEROR DAMMIT.

Skragrott the Loonking?

Where did Grom the Paunch come from?

Apologies, for the confusion gents, I was just using any name of a Goblin character because I couldn't remember the Loonking's name.