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 some bloke wrote:
With this edition, we have a simple rule which would improve flamers effectiveness against hordes and such; Blast.

if flamers always rolled max hits against hordes, they'd be a heck of a lot more use. Coupled with hordes (usually) going for CC and flamers being good at overwatch, it would make a lot of sense.

But then you couldn't use them as point-defense weapons on tanks, as you can't fire Blasts while in CC.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 some bloke wrote:
With this edition, we have a simple rule which would improve flamers effectiveness against hordes and such; Blast.

if flamers always rolled max hits against hordes, they'd be a heck of a lot more use. Coupled with hordes (usually) going for CC and flamers being good at overwatch, it would make a lot of sense.

But then you couldn't use them as point-defense weapons on tanks, as you can't fire Blasts while in CC.

Special rule: Flamer. As per Blast but may be used in melee.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 some bloke wrote:
With this edition, we have a simple rule which would improve flamers effectiveness against hordes and such; Blast.

if flamers always rolled max hits against hordes, they'd be a heck of a lot more use. Coupled with hordes (usually) going for CC and flamers being good at overwatch, it would make a lot of sense.

But then you couldn't use them as point-defense weapons on tanks, as you can't fire Blasts while in CC.

Special rule: Flamer. As per Blast but may be used in melee.

That would do it.

good catch on blasts not working in CC. I'm still on my first steps with 9th!

Flamers could have a moral component as that has generally been their most effect component IRL.

The other option would be to let them hit all models in the selected unit within their range but take away their strength and have them wound infantry on a 5+ and vehicles on a 6+. Heavy flamers wound infantry on a 4+ instead.

or you could make flamers decent if you make terrain decent, garrisoning ruins and buildings should be possible, vice versa flamers should be prefered to dig such units out of their hidey holes.

but that runs into the issue of gw's wish to simplify everything .-

Another option that could make Flamer weapons appealing is to say units using only Flamer weapons to Overwatch may do so without needing to use the Stratagem.

You could also say Flamers may CHOOSE to use the Blast rule without actually giving it to them. That would solve the Vehicles with Flamers issue

 Galef wrote:
Another option that could make Flamer weapons appealing is to say units using only Flamer weapons to Overwatch may do so without needing to use the Stratagem.

You could also say Flamers may CHOOSE to use the Blast rule without actually giving it to them. That would solve the Vehicles with Flamers issue

That all sounds great to me.