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 kodos wrote:

 Darnok wrote:

 kodos wrote:

gundam wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
How much is the box?

If I had to bet money, I am guessing it will be the same price as the previous one.

I hold against and say 160€ or more

I'd find 125€ excessive for the contents shown. 160€? I have some things in mind I can not type out here without risking a warning. Just no.

If you can do me a favour? Please quote me when the official price is out in the open. I might need some reality check or so it seems...

GW has done so many stupid things in the last 6 months, selling a Box worth 70€ (ast the terrain is a joke and it is still a Starter Box) for much more

and it will be sold out on pre-order as people just want the models and nothing can be stupid enough to prevent people from buying it

Given what they charged for the dedicated warrior box after they made it the best unit, 125€ is a "reasonable" price for some of the most anticipated units in months. And given the indomitus cadence of single units, 4-6 months probably for dedicated units. As some of the people said, this KT starter set its going to sell out so why would they mess with that for the first 4 months

The did mention in the reveal that this was the only place to get them in the short term so I'd expect to see the kits themselves release fairly soon after.

Though as we don't have a Combat patrol for every founding chapter or Necrons, we may see the Characters saved for those.

Oh no!
How ever shall I live!

I’ll simply buy them off eBay separate at a reduced price.
You are more than welcome to buy them at £30 or so for 5 when they get an individual release.

These sets are actually an insanely good thing as people break them down and ebay what they don’t want, meaning you can buy the stuff you want even cheaper.
Not seeing a down side to that.

It depends on what you want from the box, which is tied directly to how good the rules are. At the right time, you could almost recoup the cost of an Indomitus boxed set with just the eradicators, bladeguard, outriders and judiciar. I expect the heavy intercessors to be in very high demand. I'm not sure about the flayed ones, because not a lot of necron players will want them but those that do will want lots.

The real winners on the market will be anyone wanting necron terrain. I can't tell from the pictures, but it also looks like if you put four of the mats together it could make a good battlefield, assuming that flip side of the mat doesn't have those artifical walls drawn into it.

gundam wrote:
I really like the models.... but I have zero interest in KT... the "terrain"... well its just a sad excuse.

I have 3 small boxes full of that worthless terrain... but best part is that I believe instead of including proper terrain... the terrain walls are "printed" on the mat.... F

I REALLY hope that this KT box is not the same price as the previous one, otherwise this is a straight up racket.

So the terrain is worthless, but it is bad they didn't include it? If it's bad for not being there that means it's worth something...

they've said the models will be avaliable soon after I figure 2-4 months afetr as that IIRC is normal. it's annoying I agree, but not the end of the world. makes me wonder if they're planning another marines supplement for the summer or fall.

How many months did it take for the new gravis melta multipart kit to get released after Indomitus? That should give you a rough ballpark figure on what to expect. So about 6 months tops, possibly less.

I for one am stoked about the new box, but will not pay any price for it. It will have to be priced right. If not, I'll just buy the rules separately (hoping they will be available digitally) and wait the 6 or so months to get the Hvy Interecessors later.

The terrain in this box is quite meh. Overall, I'd expect this box to be priced the same as the KT: Arena or KT: Rogue Trader, which both had indoors maps and about the same amt of "scatter" terrain.

BrianDavion wrote:
they've said the models will be avaliable soon after I figure 2-4 months afetr as that IIRC is normal. it's annoying I agree, but not the end of the world. makes me wonder if they're planning another marines supplement for the summer or fall.

I would bet Black Templars will get one sooner or later.

It took me a whole 3 minutes to find a Necron player from the local community to split the box . Not interested at all in KT, just like to add the minis to my collection. The terrain pieces will be great for lots and lots of objective markers.

a whole new meaning to the "hold the door" exclamation.

I'm less upset about all these desireable models being in a kill team box than I am about Kill Team not getting a 2nd edition.

That's mostly due to me being someone who collects both SM and Necrons, so even buying 2 of these boxes will only leave me with maybe 1 unused model (2nd chronomancer). That means for me this box will likely be a discount, unless they go full Warcry Catacombs and price it up to crazy town..

If Warcry is any indication, I'd expect these Necron and SM to come out soon after their release in the Kill Team Box.

Not that this necessarily means much, but after this was announced on the Warhammer IG page, there were the usual first few fanboy posts, followed by a flood of "Please tell me these will be available outside this box at some point" posts. Whomever runs that page finally responded to one saying "They will be released as separate kits soon after this set is released". IDK how seriously we can take that, and I have no idea what "soon after" translates to, but that's at least one indication from an actual GW source that we won't HAVE to buy the KT box if we want the minis ...


I know when this stuff hits ebay it's going to be big money, so I'm just going to wait myself. I actually like Kill Team, but I hate this trend of calling printed maps and a few door markers "terrain" and I have trouble getting my group to play it anyway.

I’ll simply buy them off eBay separate at a reduced price.
You are more than welcome to buy them at £30 or so for 5 when they get an individual release.

Like I said above, chances are you won't. If recent events are anything to go by, you will likely pay an additional premium if you're trying to get them from ebay later.

BrianDavion wrote:
they've said the models will be avaliable soon after I figure 2-4 months afetr as that IIRC is normal. it's annoying I agree, but not the end of the world. makes me wonder if they're planning another marines supplement for the summer or fall.

SW bespoke units perhaps. Outriders "need" options. A flyer isn't off the table, either.

a_typical_hero 795564 11038969 wrote:
I would bet Black Templars will get one sooner or later.

It took me a whole 3 minutes to find a Necron player from the local community to split the box . Not interested at all in KT, just like to add the minis to my collection. The terrain pieces will be great for lots and lots of objective markers.

That is great. Now imagine 40-60 marine players in lets say 150km radius around you wanting to split a box too. You think there is enough necron players that are willing to take a box too? And what about people who don't buy the box day one, the splits happen in the first 2-3 weeks, and suddenly there are no more necron players who want to pay for more then a half of the box.

Karol wrote:

a_typical_hero 795564 11038969 wrote:
I would bet Black Templars will get one sooner or later.

It took me a whole 3 minutes to find a Necron player from the local community to split the box . Not interested at all in KT, just like to add the minis to my collection. The terrain pieces will be great for lots and lots of objective markers.

That is great. Now imagine 40-60 marine players in lets say 150km radius around you wanting to split a box too.

that many players living that close together I'd expect there to be a huge local wargaming community to tap into.

PLUS there's the internet - facebook, ebay, forums and webstores all avenues for selling secondhand models too with minimal effort.

And as GW products don't devalue after release (if anything modern plastics will go up in value from gw direct) then it doesn't matter if it takes weeks or months or even years to sell on because you won't lose value over that time period. Heck some classic metal models have gone up in value since release and are even more costly than modern equivalents.

Then get the stuff from ebay or wait for the actual release.

Neither Heavy Intercessors nor Flayed Ones are desirable enough to make a fuss about having to wait a little longer before you can buy them regularely.

If there wouldn't be a partner to split the box, I wouldn't get it on release. It is that easy.

a_typical_hero wrote:
Then get the stuff from ebay or wait for the actual release.

Neither Heavy Intercessors nor Flayed Ones are desirable enough to make a fuss about having to wait a little longer before you can buy them regularely.

If there wouldn't be a partner to split the box, I wouldn't get it on release. It is that easy.

Gonna need a source on this.

I don't play either army but if i did i would 100% build a gravis only Marine army or a novokh "in your face" melee necron army.

Source: Dude trust me. Both armies did fine since their respective codex release without these kits. Players interested in them will survive a few weeks more.

If you *really* need Flayed Ones so badly for your melee army, you can get the old kit second hand.

Its a lil hilarious that folks are so addicted to this plastic that once a mini becomes available in any product, people are crying that GW is forcing them to buy something they dont want to buy..

If it bothers you so much, just grow a pair and wait until the multipart box gets released. Are you telling me you haven't got any minis to build/paint in the meantime?

a_typical_hero wrote:
Source: Dude trust me. Both armies did fine since their respective codex release without these kits. Players interested in them will survive a few weeks more.

If you *really* need Flayed Ones so badly for your melee army, you can get the old kit second hand.

Well the thing is that with GW soon or a few weeks can be 4-8 weeks or it can be 30 weeks. And no one wants to get their models, after GW put out other books that beat your codex or nerfed the unit in to the ground. Who cares if the models hit the stores in May, after the spring FAQ minces marines.


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 tauist wrote:
Its a lil hilarious that folks are so addicted to this plastic that once a mini becomes available in any product, people are crying that GW is forcing them to buy something they dont want to buy..

If it bothers you so much, just grow a pair and wait until the multipart box gets released. Are you telling me you haven't got any minis to build/paint in the meantime?

Yeah only with GW you are risking that a unit or rule set you want to use right now may get nerfed in 3-4 months, and when the models are going to be in the stores you may no longer want them. Also not everyone builds or paints their models, so using it in an argument about a unit being accesible to play seems wierd to me. In fact it could be used as some sort of golden bullet type of argument. Army bad? just paint it.If Army is already painted, the strip it and paint it again.

Karol wrote:

Yeah only with GW you are risking that a unit or rule set you want to use right now may get nerfed in 3-4 months, and when the models are going to be in the stores you may no longer want them.

Nah, most games are like that these days. It's a result of years of players demanding that companies respond to problem units more quickly. We got what we wished for.

 tauist wrote:
How many months did it take for the new gravis melta multipart kit to get released after Indomitus? That should give you a rough ballpark figure on what to expect. So about 6 months tops, possibly less.

Or more, considering that those melta-guys still aren't available....

Cheap-as-chips Flayed Ones and Chronomancers from ebay, here we come. I would say I feel for the Space Marine players but let's be honest here, I don't.

Yeah getting new models and units.
Bummer..

It's more of the same with GW. I'm not only not surprised but it's always amusing to hear how this is a " good thing " for us all. Quite honestly, as any playing is still a ways off waiting isn't an issue as I need a box of the heavy ints to make one of my killteams actually legal again ( thanks GW btw ).

If you are a necron player, and love flayed ones you may be super happy about this as you should be able to find your halves soon at a savings. If you are a marine player, there is plenty to do before you need to worry about these models.

All in all its just GW doing GW and it kinda sucks, so let them know.


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 LunarSol wrote:

Karol wrote:

Yeah only with GW you are risking that a unit or rule set you want to use right now may get nerfed in 3-4 months, and when the models are going to be in the stores you may no longer want them.

Nah, most games are like that these days. It's a result of years of players demanding that companies respond to problem units more quickly. We got what we wished for.

Alright, I'll bite then what is their excuse for why some units have been absolute gak for decades ? Did I miss a time along the line when say Ogryns have crushed all before them ? How about assault squads which were a useful unit in like 3rd and 4th but have since been sort of meh ? I'm sure most players have big lists full of units have been bad for a long long time. I'm pretty sure we have also asked for units that are awful to be good so when do we get what we wished for with that ?

The nerfing isn't them doing what we want and more them deciding they want to flow the meta towards other units.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:

Alright, I'll bite then what is their excuse for why some units have been absolute gak for decades ? Did I miss a time along the line when say Ogryns have crushed all before them ? How about assault squads which were a useful unit in like 3rd and 4th but have since been sort of meh ? I'm sure most players have big lists full of units have been bad for a long long time. I'm pretty sure we have also asked for units that are awful to be good so when do we get what we wished for with that ?

The nerfing isn't them doing what we want and more them deciding they want to flow the meta towards other units.

I stopped biting on those because I know better now but I agree with you. One thing is to always complain without a point... another thing is to demand a better product, consistent releases and balanced changes.

The problem is that the eternal GW defenders, will take the second one and confuse it with the first eternally defending dodgy practices by GW. I think most of us realize what we were are getting into with 40k and there is nothing wrong with expecting a better product and balanced changes.

If GW wasn't a minis company first, I would certainly have more of their product now. I just dont trust them enough to have more without making half of it irrelevant.

I dont think anyone reasonable asks to be treated like they are just nameless whales who just enjoy being exploited.

 kodos wrote:

gundam wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
How much is the box?

If I had to bet money, I am guessing it will be the same price as the previous one.

I hold against and say 160€ or more

That would indicate that they value the Necron "terrain" at an exceptional premium.

I am actually wondering if this set is going to be the Blood of the Phoenix box of KT in terms of price comparison.

 tauist wrote:
Its a lil hilarious that folks are so addicted to this plastic that once a mini becomes available in any product, people are crying that GW is forcing them to buy something they don't want to buy...

If it bothers you so much, just grow a pair and wait until the multipart box gets released. Are you telling me you haven't got any minis to build/paint in the meantime?

This.
1000 times this.

GW isn't forcing you to purchase anything. Like any other product manufacturer, they are putting a product on the market, for what they think the market will yield, and then seeing if they can make money at it. No one from GW with a black jacket and yellow letters on the back of it is busting down your door, putting an MP5 in your face, and forcing you to do gak.

I'd also like to add that the heavy intercessors aren't that good. I am going to use a unit to play with and test with, but they have real drawbacks. they Cant be transported reasonably, (and if you take a repulsor or executioner, your opponent I'm sure would thank you for it) are slow and have no melee presence to speak of. The Necrons are cool, but it feels like there is a decent argument for the current melee models (i forget their name at the moment). This is a decent box. I like the Necron terrain, I wouldn't mind getting a refresh on the KT rules, and ill take the heavy intercessors to play with.

But GW isnt "forcing me" to buy this, and here is a really controversial statement. If you do not see or percieve value in what you are purchasing, then why purchase it?

I think Heavy Intercessors have more a place now than regular ones. Just because the Sergeant can be a melee monster means pretty little when the Heavy ones can at least take a Heavy Weapon (and the Heavy Bolter ain't bad now) and S5 for the guns is a decent upgrade.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I think Heavy Intercessors have more a place now than regular ones. Just because the Sergeant can be a melee monster means pretty little when the Heavy ones can at least take a Heavy Weapon (and the Heavy Bolter ain't bad now) and S5 for the guns is a decent upgrade.

Those are all fair points, and I'll grant you I may be dismissing them prematurely, but in the couple of games we have proxied them, they were just too slow to get anywhere meaningful fast enough, which made the melee potential more important for them.

It's a tough call, but I'll easily concede your point has merit.